Snap uk election..

[798686]

Snort.

You're still not providing any link between Grenfell and Brexit.

Yes, immigration has been an issue - although I haven't actually heard it mentioned in relation to Grenfell.

Unless you're saying Kensington Council deliberately set fire to the place, or that they deliberately neglected them in the hope their flats would go up in flames, I fail to see any link whatsoever.

Yes, we have a shortage of housing, an immigration issue, a case (undoubtedly not the only one) of poor people's housing being a low priority, and a terrible catastrophe. These things still do nothing to link Grenfell with Brexit, or to provide any reason why you would comment 'Brexit is a racist cause' in a post relating to Grenfell. You were just seeking to be incendiary, pun not intended.

 

[southeastone]

Thatcher's decision to stop council house building is at the root of all this. .

Why was this not reversed during the labour years? Thatcher built more council homes each year that labour built in their tenure plus Labour opened the door to allow millions in who needed housing they had no intention of building, I think they are more to blame than Thatcher are they not?

 

[798686]

Why was this not reversed during the labour years? Thatcher built more council homes each year that labour built in their tenure plus Labour opened the door to allow millions in who needed housing they had no intention of building, I think they are more to blame than Thatcher are they not?

Perhaps we've forgotten about the Morecambe cockle pickers drowning in 2004 when immigrants were not only poorly treated, they were invisible. Under Labour.

At that time they were housed by rogue landlords and paid a pittance...

 

[Drifterwood]

I know a lot of rich people who didn't vote Tory, and they won't whilst the Tories make stupid decisions that are not in the interest of the UK but simply ride the tide of bad effects of their previous decisions.

They will of course also get their money out of the UK.

 

[dandelion]

Boris Johnson today had a diane Abbott moment when being questioned about the Queens speech he seemed to have not a clue what party policy is, and asked if he could come back to the question later.

Perhaps he was trying to put people off asking him to be leader instead of may. More likely conservatives have not a clue what their party policy will be next week.

 

[798686]

I know a lot of rich people who didn't vote Tory, and they won't whilst the Tories make stupid decisions that are not in the interest of the UK but simply ride the tide of bad effects of their previous decisions.

They will of course also get their money out of the UK.

They're voting Labour instead? How will that help?

Are you sure they'll remove their money? Presumably they would have done so already, since there would seem little point at the current time whilst it's worth so much less...

 

[Drifterwood]

They're voting Labour instead? How will that help?

Are you sure they'll remove their money? Presumably they would have done so already, since there would seem little point at the current time whilst it's worth so much less...

No. They have principles. They will not and did not vote for a party that continues to fail this country.

Is that not enough?

The prosperity of all the people used to be the object of government. The people who have the responsibility to run or guide our economy have tried to tell you that Brexit will damage our prosperity, which is after all their job. Your media didn't report it.

No hope.

Good luck.

 

[Drifterwood]

In case you hadn't noticed yet, really rich people, not me , don't pay for things they don't want to.

 

[dandelion]

Theresa may said today that everyone responsible for the tower block fire must be brought to account. I am not sure she intends to include her four ministers who did nothing about warnings following earlier fires. If they had made simple changes to ban flammable panels at that time , these ones would never have been installed.

Meanwhile the eu makes further overtures that brexit could simply be cancelled.

 

[Jason]

The UK now has a functioning government. The deal with DUP gives the Conservatives a working majority of 13. This is adequate.

I'm of the view this deal is a good one. It gives a FIVE year parliament with a review after TWO years, which is pretty stable. The DUP have got rid of some unpopular parts of then Conservatives' manifesto. It works for Queen's Speech, budgets, security, Brexit.

The additional spending on Northern Ireland is £1bn. The problem with this is that there are other places that might have benefited from this sort of spending. However what is actually going to be done with the money is fine and useful. Of course we are probably going to see billions put into accommodation as tower blocks fail the fire tests. I rather think £1bn will hardly register in national income accounting.

The deal might well help DUP in Northern Ireland. It may help get rid of the former political wing of terrorists IRA, Sinn Fein. It might actually have some good unintended consequences. Of course Labour and others are screaming, but let them scream.

WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT WITH A WORKING MAJORITY OF 13.

 

[southeastone]

Some stability for brexit, combine this with the excellent business figures today and it's onwards and upwards

 

[Jason]

Some stability for brexit, combine this with the excellent business figures today and it's onwards and upwards

Yes.

We're looking at a FIVE YEAR government. That's actually a lot of time for the Conservatives to get their act together and make sure the defeat of socialism is accomplished in 2017.

 

[Jason]

The pound advance against the dollar on this news. I think we're looking at it going up to $1.29 within a few days. This is where it was before the election. I had hoped for an election landslide and significant upwards movement, but that of course didn't happen. I think we're looking now at months of slow gains. The figures on the UK economy are good. The news that will start to get through is that we have a FIVE year government.

 

[Jason]

The electoral arithmetic in theory offered three choices:
Con+DUP
Con+LibDem
Con+DUP+LibDem
I think anything else is pure fantasy.

A story that hasn't been much explored is that LibDem have simply rules out any sort of agreement. The key problem is Brexit. But look forward two years. Presumably the Brexit decisions will have been made. DUP have set up what amounts to a pact review date of June 2019. At this time the possibilities of the electoral arithmetic are as above. With the Brexit decisions made I think there is a realistic choice of partner. If Corbyn's Marxism seems on the wane then it may well suit LibDems to position themselves away from Corbyn. We're actually left with a position where in 2019 the Conservatives may have some leverage in pact making.

Probably the ideal would be Con+DUP+LibDem.

 

[eurotop40]

The pound advance against the dollar on this news. I think we're looking at it going up to $1.29 within a few days. This is where it was before the election. I had hoped for an election landslide and significant upwards movement, but that of course didn't happen. I think we're looking now at months of slow gains. The figures on the UK economy are good. The news that will start to get through is that we have a FIVE year government.

Maybe... but it's just because the USD is going down. No merit for the GBP.

 

[southeastone]

Maybe... but it's just because the USD is going down. No merit for the GBP.

Is that why the euro has only just levelled up on the dollar after collapsing to near parity?

 

[Drifterwood]

You're living in cloudcuckooland.

May called the election because she couldn't depend on Tory ReMAYners to keep her in power.

That strategy failed, so she has sold out our democratic verdict to a deal with the DUP. But that won't work for a hard or harder Brexit because the numbers just won't add up for the Maidenhead remainer anyway.

 

[798686]

Maybe... but it's just because the USD is going down. No merit for the GBP.

And what about today's gains against the Euro?

 

[Jason]

The first vote of the new parliament has just happened, on a Corbyn amendment:
Ayes: 309
Noes: 323
This gives the government a majority of 14.

This is as expected with the Con-DUP pact (strictly this should give a majority of 13, so a vote better). This is encouraging. We have a government. Phew! Bullet dodged! It has been close.

The arithmetic of course leads to knife-edge votes, but all the main legislation should go through, including in October 2018 the boundary commission changes.

 

[Drifterwood]

The first vote of the new parliament has just happened, on a Corbyn amendment:
Ayes: 309
Noes: 323
This gives the government a majority of 14.

This is as expected with the Con-DUP pact (strictly this should give a majority of 13, so a vote better). This is encouraging. We have a government. Phew! Bullet dodged! It has been close.

The arithmetic of course leads to knife-edge votes, but all the main legislation should go through, including in October 2018 the boundary commission changes.

Strong and Stable. Lol.