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I saw an interesting post elsewhere. Someone suggested that if labour wanted to win, what they should do is tax pensioners, remove them from their giant houses and huge private pensions. The money should then be spent on a decent state pension (so helping out the pensioners in genuine poverty), but otherwise redistributed to the young. (probably meaning below pension age)

It was further suggested that the right ought to give thanks to the god they probably believe in that Corbyn is so mild and so centre ground a politician, because someone with really radical left wing views might get even more support than he has, for much more radical policies.

But Corbyn isnt that sort of politician ans wants to create a united nation rather than a divided one. Whereas the tories have always gone straight for redirecting money towards themselves. (While pretending otherwise)

As to brexit, 'they that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind'. The tories are destroying themselves by adopting Brexit.
Oh that's some marvellous rhetoric you're posting. but, never happen. I wonder why some people work their lives, save a bit, don't drink smoke or in general fritter away (state) money should pay for their good sense. My family worked, saved and left a little. Good for them. Next door drank, thieved and raised a brood of children who lived hand to mouth and on the dole, never got up before mid day and spent large amount of ill gotten cash in the pub....
The dream of Utopia.....
Yes Corbyn is mild, simplistic and while his choice of clothes might have become more middle class his taste in women is suspect. his speech content has remained hot air - until he reads the stuff prepared for him to read. As for the claim that the Tories are the ones that direct money towards themselves I would suggest you look, in the first instance at the various Trade Union officials who have dipped fingers, look at the likes of one N. Kinnock and his wife, A Blair and wife, G. Brown, Prescott... rich beyond dreams, some on EU pensions (the boon of old worn out socialists and the reason they all want to remain in the EU) others by speech making and UN payments.
Currently the wind and sow speech applies to those remainers who whinge and give succour to the EU (non) negotiators, they are the ones who are helping the enemy - yes he was right, they have become the enemy.
Last weekend was the 11th day of the 11th month and we "celebrated and remembered the Armistice.
WWII was supposed to be the war to end wars (again) and to bring peace and harmony to the European zones of conflict.
And indeed it did, for a while - the introduction of the free market was to benefit all with its free flow of goods and people. It was the introduction through the back door chip by chip that finally came to be seen as the United States of Europe and the final styraw to break the camels back.
In 1945 a Peace was declared.
In 2017 Europe declared war on the UK

Hopefully the quisling sin the remain campo will rest peacefully knowing they are giving succour to the enemy - the ones who declared it war!
 
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As for the claim that the Tories are the ones that direct money towards themselves I would suggest you look, in the first instance at the various Trade Union officials who have dipped fingers, look at the likes of one N. Kinnock and his wife, A Blair and wife, G. Brown, Prescott... rich beyond dreams,
They do say that people object to the Uk paying reparations of £60 bn to the EU because people in general do not understand how little £60bn really is these days. The value of the Uk fell a trillion pounds when the exchange rate dropped following Brexit, for example.

By ordinary standards politicians do well, MPs pay is amongst the best in the country, ministers most likely in the top 1%. But the amounts of money the really rich make from tory policies is staggering. Lord Aschroft doesnt give millions to the tory party because he likes them, but because he likes the policies they introduce which mean he gets to keep even more money than he gives them. Its an investment making huge returns, to change the tax system so he gets more.

Thers no surprise about this. The tories are and always have been the party of the rich and privileged. Their goal is to ensure the rich stay rich. that ruling dynasties continue to rule. Two world wars hit them badly, as did the social reforms that followed when people revolted, but in the last 40 odd years they have been recovering their wealth.

some on EU pensions (the boon of old worn out socialists and the reason they all want to remain in the EU) others by speech making and UN payments.
Now the funny thing is that40 years ago the Uk had good works pension schemes guaranteeing good pensions. Now...they have all gone bust. So what happened? Thats easy, the rich managed to symphon off that money once again back to themselves. Theres plenty of money, the Uk economy keeps growing. but less of it is going to ordinary people.

Last weekend was the 11th day of the 11th month and we "celebrated and remembered the Armistice.
WWII was supposed to be the war to end wars (again) and to bring peace and harmony to the European zones of conflict.
And indeed it did, for a while - the introduction of the free market was to benefit all with its free flow of goods and people. It was the introduction through the back door chip by chip that finally came to be seen as the United States of Europe and the final styraw to break the camels back.
So whats wrong if they did create a united states of europe? i for one would welcome it, and it seems a good 1/3 of the nation would too. And likely to be a growing proportion. It has already grown since the referendum, and a re run today would likely result in remain winning.

But i dont believe there will be a united states of Europe, and i think the most likely course will be a multi tier EU where different nations take part in different aspects. this is a situation the Uk had already used its power as a member to create for itself. We moulded the EU to suit us exactly. The way to get a special deal is and always has been to be a member and work from within. thats why we joined, and indeed why de Gaulle did not want to let us join, because he knew we would use our membership to change the EU to benefit the UK.

I am not a little puzzled how the conservatives will explain, if it happens, that they took the Uk out of the EU against the wishes of the majority of the people into economic mayhem. It will destroy them as a party.
 

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Now the funny thing is that40 years ago the Uk had good works pension schemes guaranteeing good pensions. Now...they have all gone bust. So what happened?

They were fucked over by Gordon Brown?
 
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Yes, Brown introduced a system where pension investments were taxed. It was a technical change tucked into a budget. It is the major reason why the return on all pensions has fallen. Private pensions are disappointing. Final salary pensions would have been under strain in any circumstance, but this change really did kill them off.
 

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Yes, Brown introduced a system where pension investments were taxed. It was a technical change tucked into a budget.
I recall pension funds being plundered under Thatcher. Company after company was taking money out of their pension fund because they claimed it had too much in it. That was because the stock market etc was booming. If you recall, thats when mis- selling of endowment mortgages also went on, which banks later had to pay compensation for. they didnt have to compensate the pensioners whose funds went bust because they had given advice there was plenty of money! Put the blame where it belongs. Socialist britain, under both labour and conservative governments pre Thatcher saved money for pensions, Thatcherites nicked it.


Since then private pensions have become a tax scam. People invest in them not because the fund makes big returns on its investments, but because they avoid paying tax on their income. Why should the rich get a refund of their tax to save for retirement?

As to property, its way too expensive. far above the cost of building it. It has become an investment, because those other investments have failed. But there is no intrinsic value to houses, its a huge bubble waiting to burst. A massive economic problem created in particular by conservative policies which have been sold to voters as benefitting them. They dont. Its quite likely brexit will burst the property bubble in a way the 2008 recession failed to do. banks will love it. They will repossess, get back their money leaving ordinary people bankrupt. Any bank which miscalculats and suffers a liquidity crisis will be bailed out by government. Then the banks will sell on the now cheaper properties to exactly the same people still struggling to pay off both old and new debts. And the owners of the banks rake in all this money.

Housing is a huge problem in the Uk, which was caused by UK governments, specifically because the conservative party drove forward privatisation and stopped government housebuilding in order to create a shortage and drive up prices. They created a monopoly which has benefitted their own backers.

Leaving the EU will only make matters worse for ordinary people because the Uk will suffer a recession. But the problems were created by us, not the EU.
 

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They do say that people object to the Uk paying reparations of £60 bn to the EU because people in general do not understand how little £60bn really is these days. The value of the Uk fell a trillion pounds when the exchange rate dropped following Brexit, for example.

By ordinary standards politicians do well, MPs pay is amongst the best in the country, ministers most likely in the top 1%. But the amounts of money the really rich make from tory policies is staggering. Lord Aschroft doesnt give millions to the tory party because he likes them, but because he likes the policies they introduce which mean he gets to keep even more money than he gives them. Its an investment making huge returns, to change the tax system so he gets more.
So Mandelson, Blair and all the others made no money from the policies they introduced?
I'm not condoning Ashcroft by the way he lied, but then lies are p[art and parcel of politics, and who will ever forget the illegal War we went into based on lies lies and even more lies.

Thers no surprise about this. The tories are and always have been the party of the rich and privileged. Their goal is to ensure the rich stay rich. that ruling dynasties continue to rule. Two world wars hit them badly, as did the social reforms that followed when people revolted, but in the last 40 odd years they have been recovering their wealth.
I think you over simplify things with the idea of all Tories being rich, after all there are plenty of fat wine guzzling property owners in the Labour and Lib Dems., The social reform after WWII was indeed a step in the right direction but it was Labour who ruined it with the "its my due" mentality, raising expectations when even they knew it was impossible. Under Labour the poor were encouraged to spend spend spend as the state would always look after them, to take take and take more on credit with a weak chancellor encouraging this mentality (Brown). There is no RIGHT to own you own home, its something you have to work for, save for and go without to get.

Now the funny thing is that40 years ago the Uk had good works pension schemes guaranteeing good pensions. Now...they have all gone bust. So what happened? Thats easy, the rich managed to symphon off that money once again back to themselves. Theres plenty of money, the Uk economy keeps growing. but less of it is going to ordinary people.
It's you funny people who think that moiney grows on trees and all you have to do is pluck it. Without the rich there would be no economy, the rich put money into companies, take the risk and get the profits. The money they put into companies gets turned into goods and wages and so the merry go round goes on - such a pity you don't understand pure economics.

So whats wrong if they did create a united states of europe? i for one would welcome it, and it seems a good 1/3 of the nation would too. And likely to be a growing proportion. It has already grown since the referendum, and a re run today would likely result in remain winning. A United States of Europe would never work, will never work only on paper. Fiscal unity, pension parity, universal pricing - these are the only things that will make a united Europe. As for the |European Army, well German would run that without a doubt, but with petty national squabbles in the Balkans would they all ever agree to a united front or would decisions, for the armed forces, go down to a majority vote? Its a dream of old men who dream of even more riches, a bit like Mugabe, who fall asleep at meeting, Juncker just to get them on to the next working lunch the next free meal and the next bottle of booze. If you can see Germans paying the same price for coffee as the Poles and Greeks, though of course that's actually reversed, the simple harmony of a United Europe is broken. One size will never fit all!

But i dont believe there will be a united states of Europe, and i think the most likely course will be a multi tier EU where different nations take part in different aspects. this is a situation the Uk had already used its power as a member to create for itself. We moulded the EU to suit us exactly. The way to get a special deal is and always has been to be a member and work from within. thats why we joined, and indeed why de Gaulle did not want to let us join, because he knew we would use our membership to change the EU to benefit the UK.
Like you I don't believe a United Staes of Europe would ever be a reality but more of an aspiration. However to say the UK moulded the EU into its own image is a bit strong, look at the way France lives of the COP for example (and yes we've benefitted from this cack handed bit of ill thought out legislation). When we joined we joined by agreeing to become the second largest contributor, not because we wanted to but our leader of the day was determined to join no matter what. It was a mistake then and is now, the Common Market was a great success.
Now, de Gaulle. His reason for not wanting the UK to join was not as you've said at all - that's far to simplistic. de Gaulle hated the I(K because they rescued him and the remnants of his army from the Nazi's. He hated the idea of having a government in exile based in the UK, he hated being watched by the UK - watching him in case he became subversive - and being beholden to Churchill. More that that he hated the entire Allied Army at the end, the Americans, the British because when the landings did finally take place he was not allowed to be the first on the beaches - oh how we missed a great opportunity. Even when he was allowed to lead his army into Paris, to great crowds and much rejoicing it was a hollow victory as the city had already been liberated. Throughout his life he was determined to make both the UK and USA pay for what he saw as a personal humiliation - but that's the French for you, never grateful.

I am not a little puzzled how the conservatives will explain, if it happens, that they took the Uk out of the EU against the wishes of the majority of the people into economic mayhem. It will destroy them as a party.
Once again quoting mistaken statistics, also known as lies.
The Majority of those who voted in the referendum voted to leave the EU.
The fact that it wasn't 100% of the electorate is neither here nor there, those that didn't vote didn't care.
Simple
Just get over it.
 

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I recall pension funds being plundered under Thatcher. Company after company was taking money out of their pension fund because they claimed it had too much in it. That was because the stock market etc was booming. If you recall, thats when mis- selling of endowment mortgages also went on, which banks later had to pay compensation for. they didnt have to compensate the pensioners whose funds went bust because they had given advice there was plenty of money! Put the blame where it belongs. Socialist britain, under both labour and conservative governments pre Thatcher saved money for pensions, Thatcherites nicked it.
YOU REALLY DO HAVE A SHORT MEMORY THAT IS VERY SELECTIVE.
GORDON BROWN RAIDED THE PENSION FUNDS, TOOK BILLIONS, JUST ADMIT IT!
HIS ACTIONS DID MORE TO REDUCE AND FINALLY STOP THE FINAL SALARY PENSIONS THAN ANY OTHER SINGLE ACTION.
MIND YOU BROWN COULD NEVER SEE THE FULL PICTURE WITH HIS SHORT SIGHTED POLICIES, LIKE HE COULDNT SEE BLAIR LEFT HIM TO PICK UP THE RUBBISH, BUT HE DID MAKE THE BIG RAID WHICH, ALONG WITH SELLING THE GOLD RESERVES, GAVE THE UK A SHORT BENIFIT THAT QUICKLY DISSOLVED INTO THE MESS THAT FOLLOWED.


Since then private pensions have become a tax scam. People invest in them not because the fund makes big returns on its investments, but because they avoid paying tax on their income. Why should the rich get a refund of their tax to save for retirement?

As to property, its way too expensive. far above the cost of building it. It has become an investment, because those other investments have failed. But there is no intrinsic value to houses, its a huge bubble waiting to burst. A massive economic problem created in particular by conservative policies which have been sold to voters as benefitting them. They dont. Its quite likely brexit will burst the property bubble in a way the 2008 recession failed to do. banks will love it. They will repossess, get back their money leaving ordinary people bankrupt. Any bank which miscalculats and suffers a liquidity crisis will be bailed out by government. Then the banks will sell on the now cheaper properties to exactly the same people still struggling to pay off both old and new debts. And the owners of the banks rake in all this money.

Housing is a huge problem in the Uk, which was caused by UK governments, specifically because the conservative party drove forward privatisation and stopped government housebuilding in order to create a shortage and drive up prices. They created a monopoly which has benefitted their own backers.

Leaving the EU will only make matters worse for ordinary people because the Uk will suffer a recession. But the problems were created by us, not the EU.
 

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Once again quoting mistaken statistics, also known as lies.
The Majority of those who voted in the referendum voted to leave the EU.
The fact that it wasn't 100% of the electorate is neither here nor there, those that didn't vote didn't care.
Simple
Just get over it.
Its onot me wh misquotes the statistics. leavers keep saying the nation voted to leave. It didnt. 1/3 voted to leave, thats the fact. Its true what you say now that a majority of those who voted, voted to leave. But thats not what is normally said by leavers.

Its also true that oponion polls now give remain a lead, so its also a lie for government to claim it is taking the uk out of the eu because it is the will of the people. It is not.

What is happening now is a chice by conservatives to follow a policy which many of their voters want, but it isnt the nations choice.
 
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Its onot me wh misquotes the statistics. leavers keep saying the nation voted to leave. It didnt. 1/3 voted to leave, thats the fact. Its true what you say now that a majority of those who voted, voted to leave. But thats not what is normally said by leavers.

Its also true that oponion polls now give remain a lead, so its also a lie for government to claim it is taking the uk out of the eu because it is the will of the people. It is not.

What is happening now is a chice by conservatives to follow a policy which many of their voters want, but it isnt the nations choice.
if you are to pin your hopes on opinion poles them beware the end is nigh.very few tell the truth, many don't want their neighbours to know what they really feel, those that said they would vote Trump and then did proved the opinion poles wrong, like a recent UK election - how wrong was that?
 

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if you are to pin your hopes on opinion poles... like a recent UK election - how wrong was that?
The pollsters did quite well in the end. particularly yougov's constituncy based poll, which used bigger samples and was a rolling poll, adding new people day by day.

It is higly likely the polling was quite accurate, but those with a particular aim like to interpret them wrongly. A couple of things happened as time went by and people's view changed. During the campaign many people who were accurately recorded as 'dont know' at the start, made up their minds, about 20% of voters. Perhaps UKIP voters switching to conservative might have been predictable, but libs going to labour was maybe less so. But all in all, the result practically mirrored the state of play on remain/ leave, and I expect any new result would today. There are more pro remain people today than at the last election, and they would show up as an increase in labour vote right now.

I also keep saying that its most telling the government believes there is no longer a remain majority. I there was, there is nothing simpler than just going for it. All their uncertainty is because they know the country has moved against leaving the EU. This is just about the last place the conservatives wanted to find themselves, committed to a huge national change which they dont want and the nation opposes.
 

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dident know theyre having another one
shades of CAMERON/OBAMA remember them,the failed supposed intellectual politicians huh/duh

still
dont you real Brits forget BREXIT
just get on with life,move FWD and more importantly
leave the Eu behind
its milked you dry and done its time

theres a real new world out there,for the younger ones
 
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dont you real Brits forget BREXIT
just get on with life,move FWD and more importantly leave the Eu behind. its milked you dry and done its time
No can do, rbkwp.

Britain joined the EU because its economy was collapsing. After those aussies and new Zealanders and all the rest decided they would rather be independent. Britain depended on the empire to pay its way, and that disappeared. It had to find an alternative, and it did. No one out there is suddenly going to give the Uk a great new deal just because it left the EU. there are no new opportunities which did not already exist while it is a member of the EU. There is NOTHING out there to gain which can not have as EU members, and we have patently failed to exploit any of those opportunites so far. All that will happen is the Uk loses opportunities and advantages which it currently has. Its llike Australia announcing it no longer wants a trading relationship with NZ, china and India. Its insane.
 
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No can do, rbkwp.

Britain joined the EU because its economy was collapsing. After those aussies and new Zealanders and all the rest decided they would rather be independent. Britain depended on the empire to pay its way, and that disappeared. It had to find an alternative, and it did. No one out there is suddenly going to give the Uk a great new deal just because it left the EU. there are no new opportunities which did not already exist while it is a member of the EU. There is NOTHING out there to gain which can not have as EU members, and we have patently failed to exploit any of those opportunites so far. All that will happen is the Uk loses opportunities and advantages which it currently has. Its llike Australia announcing it no longer wants a trading relationship with NZ, china and India. Its insane.
But, post Brexit, at least you'll still be hot x
 
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The pollsters did quite well in the end. particularly yougov's constituncy based poll, which used bigger samples and was a rolling poll, adding new people day by day.

It is higly likely the polling was quite accurate, but those with a particular aim like to interpret them wrongly. A couple of things happened as time went by and people's view changed. During the campaign many people who were accurately recorded as 'dont know' at the start, made up their minds, about 20% of voters. Perhaps UKIP voters switching to conservative might have been predictable, but libs going to labour was maybe less so. But all in all, the result practically mirrored the state of play on remain/ leave, and I expect any new result would today. There are more pro remain people today than at the last election, and they would show up as an increase in labour vote right now.

I also keep saying that its most telling the government believes there is no longer a remain majority. I there was, there is nothing simpler than just going for it. All their uncertainty is because they know the country has moved against leaving the EU. This is just about the last place the conservatives wanted to find themselves, committed to a huge national change which they dont want and the nation opposes.
I would suggest you climb out of you cocoon and meat with real people who have real opinions instead of scouring broadsheets filled with views that coincide with yours.
And yes, one this you said ""there is nothing simpler than going for it" which is what the government is trying g to do but thwarted on every turn by the EU.
Question.
You go out for a meal and at the end are given a bill, just a total - do you pay even if you don't know what its made up of?
This if what the EU are doing, asking for more cash. more cash and more cash without quantifying what the cash is for.
If the EU comes up with a bill that can be scrutinised so we all know what thieving bastards they are then we can peruse and decide. meanwhile the EU thinks its holding us to ransom.
 

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And yes, one this you said ""there is nothing simpler than going for it" which is what the government is trying g to do but thwarted on every turn by the EU.
But it isnt. Thats the truth.

The government refuses even to state its position! there is no way negotiations can proceed unless the Uk states what it wants. If it says it will pay for this but not that, then negotiations could proceed, but it refuses to engage in any detail and contradicts itself even on the principle of whether it needs to pay or not.

This if what the EU are doing, asking for more cash. more cash and more cash without quantifying what the cash is for.
The EU has set out heading for sorts of things it believes the Uk owes for. the Uk has not responded either to agree or not agree the principle that eg it should pay towards pensions. Unless it agrees the principle, we cannot get on to amount.

If the EU comes up with a bill that can be scrutinised...
You are making a very odd argument. You seem to saying the EU has not carried out step 3 in the process, when it cannot because the Uk has not carried out step 2. In fact the EU probably already has costings for everything it considers billable, but these will be waiting on the UK agreeing in principle that that category is billable.

meanwhile the EU thinks its holding us to ransom.
No. I think the Uk is falling fast down its list of important issues. Somewhere below where to hold the christmas party. If the UK refuses to negotiate, the EU will be fine. Without a deal it is the UK which cannot continue its world trade as before. They know that. The Uk government knows that. But the Uk government knows it would tumble in voter support if it admitted the truth of this.
 

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uhhm

i thought and believe we helped feed you all during the 2nd world war,then you did the dirty on us/aka a CAMERON, and went to the old ECC/European communities that eventually morphed into the Eu
forgetting about the likes of us 'colonials' supposedly British Commonwealth/protectorates i think

ie
you guys let us down,going to the eventual Eu
your economy had already collapsed because of that war
i recall well when we got less and less for our dairy products making it uncostworthy to transport our products to Britain, after
you guys made it so damn difficut with prices
believe we lived with it/thru that and moved on
because we had to??

simplistic version from me, unlike Jason/Joll speak ha
all respect

know you were against it from the outset, seem to have got worse dands
easy to look at all the negatives, we all knew it was going to be difficult to negotiate out of,and even more difficult for many many years
way it goes
was never going to be plapn sailing/black and white
people live with whats happening and almost hope for 'better days' happens with every country



No can do, rbkwp.

Britain joined the EU because its economy was collapsing. After those aussies and new Zealanders and all the rest decided they would rather be independent. Britain depended on the empire to pay its way, and that disappeared. It had to find an alternative, and it did.


i think thats ridiculous and extreme dands/alarmist even
we are more sensible and independant to be considering anything like that
just as the BREXITERS were sensible/individualistic in what they did
dont forget your CAMERON basically 'tried it on' thinking he w/could pull a swifty,never worked,actually failed miserably
why he got out the next day,hardly loyal or looking after the UKs interests


Its llike Australia announcing it no longer wants a trading relationship with NZ, china and India. Its insane.

x Wiki

The EU traces its origins from the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) and the European Economic Community (EEC), established, respectively, by the 1951 Treaty of Paris and 1957 Treaty of Rome. The original members of what came to be known as the European Communities, were the Inner Six; Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and West Germany.



and YES
the English Cricketer x Capt COOK is still a charmer, mmmmmm Ashes this week, is he still a player in the team?? haha


But, post Brexit, at least you'll still be hot x
 

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But it isnt. Thats the truth.

The government refuses even to state its position! there is no way negotiations can proceed unless the Uk states what it wants. If it says it will pay for this but not that, then negotiations could proceed, but it refuses to engage in any detail and contradicts itself even on the principle of whether it needs to pay or not.

The EU has set out heading for sorts of things it believes the Uk owes for. the Uk has not responded either to agree or not agree the principle that eg it should pay towards pensions. Unless it agrees the principle, we cannot get on to amount.

You are making a very odd argument. You seem to saying the EU has not carried out step 3 in the process, when it cannot because the Uk has not carried out step 2. In fact the EU probably already has costings for everything it considers billable, but these will be waiting on the UK agreeing in principle that that category is billable.

No. I think the Uk is falling fast down its list of important issues. Somewhere below where to hold the christmas party. If the UK refuses to negotiate, the EU will be fine. Without a deal it is the UK which cannot continue its world trade as before. They know that. The Uk government knows that. But the Uk government knows it would tumble in voter support if it admitted the truth of this.
YOU REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE EU HAS NOT SAID HOW MUCH IT WANT FOR THE DIVORCE - IT HAS ALLDEGEDLY INTIMATED IT WILL ACCEPT NO LESS THAN 40 BILLION POUNDS BUT HAS STILL NOT BROKEN DOWN HOW IT ARRIVES AT THAT FIGURE.
IT IS THE EU WHO ARE HOLDING UP NEGOTIATIONS BY REFUSING, THROUGH GREED, TO GIVE A FIGURE THEY WILL ACCEPT.
 

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No. I think the Uk is falling fast down its list of important issues. Somewhere below where to hold the christmas party. .

Indeed with Merkel and Macron both wobbling they may need to cancel the Christmas party for this year even if we are paying for it
 

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Indeed with Merkel and Macron both wobbling they may need to cancel the Christmas party for this year even if we are paying for it

Merkel is very badly weakened. I know the reality is that she is in office, but she is almost just an administrator.

The UK almost seems a bastion of strong and stable government! I had a look at he DUP's voting record. As far as I can see every DUP has voted with the government on every vote. This is actually looking like a very stable pact.