So Canadians Now Gotta Subsidize The Morbidly Obese?

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  1. 1BiGG1

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    Disabled ok, but so fat you cannot fit in a seat and the government mandates everybody else must subsidize them? WTF? What’s next, everybody onboard must chip-in on an extra box of Twinkies in case they get hungry along the way? :rolleyes:

    Disabled, obese allowed free extra plane seat

    Canada's two largest airlines must give disabled and morbidly obese passengers an extra free seat on domestic flights, beginning in January, after the Supreme Court refused yesterday to consider the carriers' appeal of a federal order.

    The Supreme Court, by convention, gave no reason for declining to intervene in the case.

    The decision ended a six-year battle by disabled travellers to secure two seats for the price of one if they need inflight attendants. Obese people can also qualify if they are too large to fit in a single seat.

    Air Canada and WestJet failed in their pitch for the court to consider a January 2008 decision from the Canadian Transportation Agency that gave them one year to implement new policies in the absence of being able to show that a "one-person, one-fare" structure would cause undue hardship.

    "This means I'm equal now," said Joanne Neubauer, a Victoria woman whose severe rheumatoid arthritis requires her to use a wheelchair. "I'm just so excited and happy that justice prevailed."

    The agency said the airlines must develop a process to assess eligibility. The free seats need not be provided to obese people who are just uncomfortable in their seats or are not disabled by their size, said the ruling.

    The airlines also do not have to make allowances for disabled people who prefer to travel with a companion for personal reasons or those who require care on the ground, but not in the air.

    "The agency is leaving it up to Air Canada and WestJet to develop their own screening policies," said agency spokes-man Marc Comeau.

    A possible sticking point is how to decide when obesity is a disability. The agency has recommended the airlines adopt a policy used by Dallas-based Southwest Airlines, which gives a free seat to people who are too big to lower their armrest.

    The ruling is expected to benefit would-be travellers like Linda McKay-Panos, a Calgarian who has secured a declaration from the Federal Court of Appeal that she is obese enough to be considered disabled.

    Ms. McKay-Panos, executive director of the Alberta Civil Liberties Research Centre, said yesterday that she has not travelled on Air Canada since 1997, when she endured a "humiliating" flight in which the airline refused her an extra seat even though "my hips were flowing over the arm rest, my hips were basically on the lap of the person who sat beside me."

    Now 51, she said she was born with Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, a hormonal disorder that causes obesity in about 50 per cent of those afflicted.

    The transportation agency estimated that it would cost Air Canada an additional $7.1 million annually to change its rules and WestJet an extra $1.5 million, adding 77 cents to each ticket sold by Air Canada and 44 cents for a WestJet fare.

    The carriers have predicted that their costs would be significantly more because the policy would be abused.

    Air Canada spokesman Peter Fitzpatrick said yesterday that the airline will comply with the decision and that it has already started working on screening procedures and employee training. He also noted the policy will only apply to domestic flights, reflecting the agency decision.

    The case began in 2002, when Ms. Neubauer, Eric Norman, and the Council of Canadians with Disabilities launched a complaint with the transportation agency. Mr. Norman, who died two years ago, lived in Gander, N.L., and used to travel to Toronto for cancer treatment. He was paraplegic and required an attendant for air travel.

    Ms. Neubauer, who said she seldom flies because the cost of two tickets is prohibitive, needs an attendant to help with everything from boarding to visiting the bathroom.

    The "one-person, one fare" policy already exists for other modes of public transport such as buses, trains and ferries.
     
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    meh, they can't help it.
     
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    I'd much rather a grossly obese person take 2 seats, than for them to try and squeeze into one seat and "overlap" the person next to them. Especially if that person happened to be me.
     
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    If they can prove they have a medical disorder, then ok. Otherwise they should pay for the space they take up. I had a flight last week on BA and the guy next to me was nearly overflowing. I have wide shoulders and was in the window seat, so there was no way I could lean out of the way. There was no chance the two of us could be comfortable. He got up and moved to another seat.
     
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    Also in case of a bad landing they could kill ya if they fell on you. They could also obstruct your escape in an emergency. Maybe they could set up a special place for them in cargo.
     
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    Looking on the bright side 1BIGG1, this might enable a surge of American tourists to fly up and spend some Yankee $$$ in the Great White Socialist North.
     
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    I agree, airlines have size restrictions on carry-on and if whatever you are thinking of taking aboard doesn’t fit, you check it as baggage or don’t take it. They even have a metal rack in the gate area so you can make sure your carry-on fits within the constraints of the rule.

    They should place a seat in the gate area also and if blubber cannot fit within the constraints, the blubbers owner should pay for the extra space needed instead of making everyone else pay for it and/or encroaching on others space.
     
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    My!! my!! How the tables have turned. Funny how you want to subsidize Gay marriage yet you attack the morbidly obese? I feel sorry for those ppl. I have a few friends that are obese. Some of them can't help it. They just have bad genetic make up. They don't eat any more than others; just weren't blessed with high metabolisms. Its bad enough that they get treated like freaks and hate to go out in public. Anyways we all know how the airlines like to install tight seating. Hardly any leg room etc... they have become the unfrienly skies now. What do you get for a meal now when you fly a tiny bag of peanuts :rolleyes:
     
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    Should the extremely thin get a discounted rate for taking up less weight? If two dwarves can squeeze into one seat, does one fly for free?
     
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    Carry-on overhead baggage is free.

    They just need a few air holes in the compartment.
     
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    If you are talking to me what are you saying when saying “subsidize gay marriage? I didn’t realize anybody was asking for subsidies here?

    Regarding the obese = that’s a bunch of bunk. Everybody no matter what their metabolism burns a certain amount of calories per day and the answer to their problem is not exceeding that threshold.
     
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    If ticket prices were based on weight I suppose but they are based cubic feet/meters taken up, not weight.

    They are supposed too install two seatbelts per seat on every jet for the slim chance they will find this scenario?

    Are the obese gonna sue now because movie theaters don’t have moveable armrests allowing their fitting into a regular seat? Should the government also mandate the same for movie theaters?
     
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    Discrimination?

    Is there any consideration being given to the exceptionally tall?

    They have even less control over their physical size than do the obese and to my knowledge you can't pay for an extra plane seat so you can have it removed for leg room.

    Safety issues?

    If a person is occupying two seating positions, which, if any, of the safety restraints are they to use in the event of an emergency? Any unrestrained object (body) poses a safety risk to the other passengers.
     
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    I’m tall, fly a lot and luckily first or business class for the most part but there are flights where that’s not available and I’m forced to ride in the “back of the bus”

    In those instances I get and emergency exit row seat or a seat in the front of coach. Both of those choices have a lot more legroom and in the event I can’t get one of those = I suffer and so does anybody in front of me thinking they are gonna be putting their seat back! :wink:


    As for safety issues, all airlines have seatbelt extenders for heavyset people.
     
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    And like I said some just have slower metabolism's. Some people have injuries also that prevent them from exercising more. So it's not all bunk as you say. Agree to disagree ok.
     
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    Amen!!!
     
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