So since I'm poor white trailer trash on FOOD STAMPS

[B_bi_in_socal]

I still don't understand why anyone would complain about getting free money. Granted, Bush did do a nice job of proving stimulus checks don't work, although at this point it's a necessity if we want to even think about getting the economy rolling again. Gotta help the consumers as well as business in this once in a lifetime situation. Radical, unorthodox problems call for radical, unorthodox solutions. Why do I get the feeling most people here have no real knowledge about neither business nor the economy?

This place leans left naturally, that's why. And in that virtue, they are clock punchers.

 

[D_Kissimmee Coldsore]

Moan moan moan

If I may quote something that a wise man once told me:

You don't claim to have solutions but you are aweful full of criticism. That makes you a coward.

 

[B_bi_in_socal]

I ain't offer no criticism. I'z only wants a fare chance. Gimme dat tax refun even doh I'z pay no taxes.

 

[FantomX]

Hey asshole, I just starting getting food stamps myself, because after paying my way through school working as a caregiver for the disabled and graduating from the highest ranked public university in the nation last month, I met with a brutal economy: I've been pounding the pavement everyday for the past month to no avail, and I don't have any rich relatives to bail me out, so it was a nice stopgap measure to prevent me from starving.

I have absolutely zero shame about my decision.

You have no money for food, but you can still access the internet?

 

[BIGDP]

Hey, folks --

Here's my 2 cents:

If you still have a job and a way to cover the bills, then consider yourself lucky. Not everyone has that. I don't care if you are a welfare queen or a high tech geek. Folks are losing their jobs.

 

[Elmer Gantry]

I think this was a satire about how ridiculous Obama's tax refund/stimulus package is.

Oh, so you speak troll.

I hereby nominate you as our troll interpreter.:biggrin1:

 

[B_bi_in_socal]

You have no money for food, but you can still access the internet?

lol

Nice catch!

 

[badgirl22]

You have no money for food, but you can still access the internet?

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Most public libraries off access for free - not a fair question imho - also, having access to the internet is a huge help (if not mandatory) for finding a job these days.

 

[lucky8]

This place leans left naturally, that's why. And in that virtue, they are clock punchers.

No I was more so stating that many Republicans here seem to not be able to grasp the severity of the problem we are in. I can't comprehend why all of these "pro business" assfucks don't seem to care if their customers don't have money to spend on their shitty little businesses. Ya, business is nice, and that's dandy, but business would be nothing without the consumer. Why are businesses laying people off and going into bankruptcy? Because they need loans and can't get them. Why do they need loans and why can't they get them? Because people aren't spending. You have to fix the cause (weak consumer spending) before you can fix the effect (businesses going into bankruptcy).

 

[FantomX]

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Most public libraries off access for free - not a fair question imho - also, having access to the internet is a huge help (if not mandatory) for finding a job these days.

Yes most libraries do offer free access, but they are also against using this access to look at porn. Also, the internet is definitely not mandatory to find a job these days. Many newspapers have a section dedicated to open jobs in your area. Likewise, if you are unable to afford your own food, something tells me you won't be able to afford any moving expenses for jobs not in your area.

 

[Waruiko_ne]

*glances............ and rolls back over to get some more sleep on his bats*

 

[mindseye]

I wish we'd spoken before you did that. I would have advised you to donate to a SoCal mental health outpatient facility in the OP's name.

I've seen the work the Southern Poverty Law Center does, and I'm convinced of their effectiveness. You'd have a hard time convincing me that the outpatient facility has made one lick of difference in the OP.

 

[Pitbull]

And when she does start paying into the system, she'll have the satisfaction of knowing she's supporting other recent college graduates, caregivers for the elderly, and the like, passing on the good karma she's received.

One of America's great assets is the generous spirit of its citizens:

• the heroes of 9/11 who dug through the rubble for hours to rescue survivors.
• the volunteers who donated blood, food, and clothing, and then helped to rebuild New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.
• the volunteers who stayed after the inauguration to help clean up the Capitol Mall.
• and those of us who are happy to support domestic programs that give working people like voyeuristic a leg up.

We're not all like the Grinch, whose heart was two sizes too small. But I'm interested in hearing your stories of the triumphant moments of American selfishness.

(Okay, not really.)

Yes! America has a lot of wonderful people who volunteer and donate.
That is a lot different than the government taking our money and deciding what is worthy of our support.
The more the government takes the less there is available to donate to private charities.
Government is usually less efficient than many of these organizations.
And paying into the system does not necessarily give one any satisfaction when you are forced to and the people getting the money may not be deserving.
Being a recent college graduate or elderly does not automatically make one needy. Cheats exist.
And the same money supports little cheats and big cheats like wall street executives. It supports millions of illegal aliens. The big bureaucracy chews up money inefficiently and spits back much less than is put in.

You may like paying taxes so the government can take care of everything.
I understand I need to pay some taxes for what is really necessary but often I am paying taxes so the government can screw up everything.

 

[mindseye]

Yes! America has a lot of wonderful people who volunteer and donate.
That is a lot different than the government taking our money and deciding what is worthy of our support.

So...are you also opposed to the government taking our money and deciding to fund two failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or are you picking and choosing when to raise this objection?

Government is usually less efficient than many of these organizations.

Document this.

Cheats exist.

Yes, but not to the extent that you or bi_in_socal would like us to believe.

And the same money supports little cheats and big cheats like wall street executives.

But your solution is to go after the system instead of after the cheats? We should shut down universities because some people cheat at them? Some people get away with driving too fast, so we should get rid of the roads?

You've identified a valid problem, but the solution you propose is absurd.

It supports millions of illegal aliens.

Document this.

 

[dreamer20]

i thought republicans were in favor of tax cuts?

or is it just tax cuts for the wealthy?

when bush sends out a lame ass stimulus check like welfare it's brilliant?

when obama sends out stimulus dollars in a way that might actually stimulate the economy all the republicans cry like babies...

Wow, Republicans bitching about meaningless tax breaks.

I feel like I'm in bizarro world.

Yes. You have now entered the republican hypocrisy twilight zone. Filmed in trollvision.ost:



http://www.lpsg.org/1954327-post22.html

moan moan moan.

If I may quote something that a wise man once told me:

You don't claim to have solutions but you are aweful full of criticism. That makes you a coward.

:clap::rofl:

bi_in_socal :wned2:

 

[HazelGod]

Yes most libraries do offer free access, but they are also against using this access to look at porn.

Untrue. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the First Amendment of our Constitution? Public libraries are not permitted legally to censor content or otherwise limit the accessibility of internet material to adult patrons.

 

[dong20]

Untrue. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the First Amendment of our Constitution? Public libraries are not permitted legally to censor content or otherwise limit the accessibility of internet material to adult patrons.

Not necessarily.

Didn't the US supreme court rule (6-3) in 2003 that such filtering was not in fact unconstitutional. In fact the decision upheld a law that required such filtering (in relation to CIPA) that had previously been deemed unconstitutional by a Federal District Court. While aimed primarily at minors this applied to adults also, who were required to place filtering in place and/or require adults to seek 'permission' to view 'restricted' content - this filtering may be disabled only when an adult is using the equipment but it is not mandatory to offer such disabling or access to content.

To my knowledge that ruling has not been reversed, at the Supreme court level that is?

BBC NEWS | Americas | US porn-filter law upheld
CIPA Is Revived by the United States Supreme Court

 

[Pitbull]

Yes! America has a lot of wonderful people who volunteer and donate.

So...are you also opposed to the government taking our money and deciding to fund two failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or are you picking and choosing when to raise this objection?

Government is usually less efficient than many of these organizations.

Document this. No. You document how much more efficient government is than private charitable organizations.

Cheats exist.

Yes, but not to the extent that you or bi_in_socal would like us to believe.
And what is that extent? Do you think waste and fraud is a minor problem?
Well document it.

And the same money supports little cheats and big cheats like wall street executives

But your solution is to go after the system instead of after the cheats? We should shut down universities because some people cheat at them? Some people get away with driving too fast, so we should get rid of the roads?
This is absurd. Try to come up with something better. And stop putting words in my mouth. Never said this or even implied it.

You've identified a valid problem, but the solution you propose is absurd.

It supports millions of illegal aliens.

Document this. Again why don't you document that it doesn't? Because you cannot because my contention is true?

I find it amusing that you expect me to answer questions that would require volumes just to satisfy you in this politics forum.
Of course it is a set up because you know I'm not going to do it.
And if I made reference to a book on government waste you would say no that book is wrong and you would reference another book and swear that your book was correct.

You seem to enjoy arguing but not discussing.
And you want to be right so you resort to twisting, bending, assuming and outright lies.

So am I opposed to funding Afghanistan and Iraq wars.
Two different wars. Two different circumstances.
Do you not see a difference.
For the record - Afghanistan was harboring Al-quaeda. 9/11 was an act of war. The Taliban had their hands covered in our blood.
Supported.

Iraq - Opposed it from the very beginning. Thought it a big mistake.
Think what has happened has proved me right. (I am right on occasion)
Now that we are there don't think it is right to leave like we did after First Gulf War.
I believe there has been gross mismanagement of the war since the last Iraqi soldier laid down his arms.

So I guess the problem you are speaking of above is the cheating that takes advantage of government programs.
What is the absurd solution I proposed.
I didn't even propose a solution.
Go after the system and not the cheats?
Never said that.
Should go after the cheats and reform the system.
Would you rather keep something broken?
Like driving a car with the muffler falling off.
The car still drives - why fix the muffler?
The government is still functioning - why fix any problems?
The big problem with fixing government is the fixing is done frequently by the people who caused the problem, don't know or don't admit to causing the problem and therefore are not making changes in the areas that they screwed up.

You don't think there is waste and fraud in government and plaguing government programs?
Open you eyes!

I think you are a person of reasonable intelligence.
When you respond to me you may do it in a way the is befitting of such intelligence.

 

[mindseye]

I find it amusing that you expect me to answer questions that would require volumes just to satisfy you in this politics forum. Of course it is a set up because you know I'm not going to do it.

You're free not to document the assertions you've made, but by leaving them unproven and unestablished, you've failed to make your case.

I think it's unfortunate that you'd choose to argue based on your prejudices rather than based on actual evidence. And I find it ironic that in defending bi_in_socal's immature portrayal of poor people as lazy, you're revealing yourself to be lazy.

The two assertions I asked you to document were assertions that weren't just opinions (I disagree strongly with your opinions, but don't ask that they be proven), but assertions of quantifiable fact. You asserted that government was "less" efficient at charitable distribution than private organizations, and that "millions" of illegal aliens receive food stamps.

Your response was "No. You document how much more efficient government is than private charitable organizations." I didn't make the assertion, and it's not my burden of proof here. In fact, I don't know for certain which is true -- but I bet that you don't either, and I think the chip on your shoulder is an effect to conceal that fact. My hunchis that private organizations are more efficient at identifying people in genuine need, but less efficient at distributing resources to those people. As a general rule, at least: FEMA under Michael Brown was certainly a disaster on both fronts.


I made a quantifiable counter-assertion that the incidence of unemployment benefit cheaters is lower than you and bi_in_socal wish for readers to believe. In fairness, I'll document my counter-assertion:

In 2007 (2008 statistics have not yet been released), the Employment Development Department in the state of California (where the OP resides) investigated a total of 578 cases of benefits fraud: this includes three categories of fraud involving unemployment benefits, disability benefits, and unfiled employment taxes.

Of the 578 cases investigated, criminal complaints were filed in only 66 cases, and convictions were obtained in 53 cases. (source is a PDF.) There were 3,062,044 claims for unemployment and disability benefits that year. (sources are PDFs for unemployment and disability.)

Sooooo... out of over three million claims that year, the number of fraud investigations was less than one fiftieth of one percent, and the number of convictions was far smaller.

I've now documented my claim; the ball's in your court.

 

[B_starinvestor]

Untrue. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the First Amendment of our Constitution? Public libraries are not permitted legally to censor content or otherwise limit the accessibility of internet material to adult patrons.

Nasalgod actually got this one right.

Policing Porn Is Not Part of Job Description