So what's bush going to do about North Korea now?

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DC_DEEP said:
My knowledge of chemistry and physics does not extend far enough into the fundamentals of fission bombs to say what constitutes critical mass, but apparently it can be achieved in a fairly small device.
Oh, yes, it CAN be placed in a very small mass by using massive compression with shaped charges. I'm just not sure how small a blast yield you would get from the smallest sub critical mass.

The interesting thing, too, is that such an ultra-small yield device would be considerably MORE complicated to construction than a traditional slam-together-13kgs-of-U235 bomb which would have a Hiroshima-like yield. Likewise, a 500g Plutonium bomb, which I guess would be more likely if they are using reactors to create fissionable material.

The only thing I can think of, if it's not a bluff, is that NK has a serious shortage of fissionable material.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
...The United States of America needs to stop claiming soverignty as the world police. The US must immediately stop its imperialist attitude. The US must fix a huge number of internal problems before presuming to fix the problems of other countries. When it becomes necessary to be involved in a foreign country, the reasons must be clear and concise..

I agree, and would add justified/endorsed. It's interesting that the title of the thread "So what's bush..." implies and perpetuates the myth that Bush (US) is the one to resolve this situation. Well, without doubt his administration has contributed its fair share but neither Bush nor his administration are solely responsible for the NK situation (if situation is what it is). He is, to a degree, merely the poor sap who has allowed the inevitable to occur on his watch.

Whatever we may think of the NK regime, I don't believe the US (or indeed the EU) has the moral authority so do anything but keep it's mouth shut- unless it is willing to sweep it's own back yard, perhaps with the same 'moral' brush with which it paints those dark corners of the world it has itself helped darken. The irony in the situation is as palpable as it is darkly amusing.

Right now, this is an Asian problem and, probably, needs an Asian solution. China is perhaps the only player that has any meaningful leverage. US sabre rattling is just that, NK knows, as does anyone with a passing knowledge of world politics knows that the US is in a poor position to do anything much more effective than pout. Military intervention? - With what, nukes? Sanctions? - Don't make me laugh. Talking with them rather than down to them? - Well, it's original for sure but may be worth a try, it's been tried successfully elsewhere.

Get used to it, In terms of the World order, I believe the golden summer of US geo-political power is beginning to draw to a close, the world can increasingly feel that first wail of a coming storm. Time to batten down the hatches.
 

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Lex said:
A friendly reminder:

The ETC section is for "Off-topic postings, current events, rants and raves"... as per the byline.

I know that people have gotten hyper-sensitive over the ToS, but clearly, this is one of those sections of the forum where people should not throw out opinions unless they are prepared to have those opinions thrown back at them.

I recall when I first joined, I read the ECT section and did not post here for about 6 months or so. The debates here are intense and the weak-kneed need not participate.

We Mods are trying to be less invasive. Clearly, the flipside of this is that people have to also wear thicker skins (kevlar?) and settle their disagreements on the board (or in PM) like adults. You can't have it both ways.

It's rather like someone posting a pic of their cock or breast with 100 piercings and then getting upset when someone inevitably says it's gross.

To that I say: "What the fuck, you fucking fuck?!?" :rolleyes:

Be prepared for ALL opinions, not just the ones you want to agree or disagree with.
As I have already stated, it was the language permeating Madame Zora's entire post. I clearly stated that it had nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. In point of fact I even made clear that the particular words which she used were not words I thought should be censored. No, what I said was that they were not helping her in her particular posting. Perhaps if you ceased your posing and posturing you'd be able to understand that I am not looking to hush anyone up although YOU and many other of your insufficiently informed cronies are.
 

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If you were not looking to shut anyone up, then I would have expected you to address Zora here rather than reporting her post like so many of other users who claim they champion free speech but hit the (!) as soon as someone calls them on being "fucking stupid" or an "asshole." (I'm speaking in generalities here)

You could have addressed some of her points and ignored the cursing (or addressed Mindseye's points)--or done anything other than bitch about other people's bitching as you are so wont to do.

It never ceases to amaze me that the people who bitch the loudest about Moderator posts and actions report the most posts TO the Moderator Team.
 

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well this is an adult site, I personally think that if she chooses or anybody else chooses to use "foul" words, she should be free to do so, I understood what she had to say regardless what words Madame Zora uses, I don't think that she be censored at all, or anybody else for that matter, if her language offends you, or anybody else's for that matter, then maybe this isn't the place for you to be, if we can view picture and movie clips not to mention discussing in detail of bodies, then a little thing like using certain words like "fuck" surely can't be that big of a deal, shit get real.

I don't always agree with Madame Zora or other members here, but I firmly believe that they should be allowed to say what is on their mind regardless how colorful the language is.


ManiacalMadMan said:
As I have already stated, it was the language permeating Madame Zora's entire post. I clearly stated that it had nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. In point of fact I even made clear that the particular words which she used were not words I thought should be censored. No, what I said was that they were not helping her in her particular posting. Perhaps if you ceased your posing and posturing you'd be able to understand that I am not looking to hush anyone up although YOU and many other of your insufficiently informed cronies are.
 

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Lex said:
A friendly reminder:



Be prepared for ALL opinions, not just the ones you want to agree or disagree with.

It needs to be repeated and directly on this point...I have no problem with people disagreeing. Keep in mind LEX, I have not sunk to the level which many have. That level involves calling persons of a more conservative frame of mind anything from idiot to fuckwit to fucking asshole, shortly...within this post...I will do so,since you seem to think that is okay.

You seem to think that the opinion disagreement factor is to be a one sided deal. I recall a posing post of yours not too long ago where you told everyone in essence to put me on the ignore list. Where was your open minded thinking then? I sent you an I.M. indicating my feelings on it and within seconds you answered in your jerky method. Too few a number of seconds to have actually read what I had written, and your curt response made clear that you had NOT read the message I had sent to you and yet you prance around as KING MODERATOR. You are scum Lex. The lowest of the low. I have watched your seedy behavior here (and in your alleged personal life) and watched as neanderthal minded twits fawn over your UGLY body. Yes, it is UGLY. Why is it UGLY? Because quite simply it is attached to you.

You Lex are a waste. Even dog shit will not attach to the bottom of your shoes.
So you want to have the holier than thou behavior Lex, then by all means go for it. Go ahead ban my ass from here because let me tell you it would not be any great shakes to not have the opportunity to put cretins such as you in your place on a regular basis. Interesting thing about cretins such as you, you are not bright enough to understand ANYTHING which is being said. It is sad that you were somehow made a moderator since you are anything BUT a moderator. You are a one sided one dimensional cartoon cutting. Hell, you aren't even that realistic.

Keep in mind Lex, once more I say this since you undoubtedly missed it the first few times: I have no difficulty with people disagreeing with me. If you actually bothered to read my earlier post I indicated that Freddie53, Mindseye, DCDeep and even you had disagreed with my comments and that I was okay with that. As always, your attitude of doing everything half-assed and posing (yes, Lex, you are a poser if nothing else) as a mythical god-type creature kept you from reading what I had said because once more you had to portray yourself as Saint of The Cheaters and Saint of The Netherworld as well as Saint of The Cretins. I know it is always good to have a nice opinion of ones self but you take it to such a twisted place it is well beyond disgusting.

Enjoy your life Lex and enjoy the limited realm which it currently encompasses and most likely...and this is the sad part...will stay within.
 

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madame_zora said:
And this I say to all those "well meaning" people who still support the regime- fuck you. Fuck you all. You used illegal tactics to forfeit away our rights and egotistically claimed to hold the sole key to God and the path of righteousness- fuck you all. I'll die beside you if we end up in a world war, please just shut up and sit down. ANYBODY will do a better job.
ManiacalMadMan, we need to permit Zora to air her views. Zora, please post these comments everywhere. Every forum, chat room, blog, and website you can.
With such eloquent, well-reasoned, factful thoughts as this posted throughout cyberspace, soon everyone will realize what a peaceful, polite, tolerant society we would have if only we'd voted the other way.


Please excuse any sarcasm you may encounter in the above comments.
 

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ManiacalMadMan said:
I have not sunk to the level which many have. That level involves calling persons of a more conservative frame of mind anything from idiot to fuckwit to fucking asshole, shortly...within this post...I will do so,since you seem to think that is okay.

You either have particularly high standards, as you seem to believe you have, or you don't.
If you really do -- if they really belong to you and represent you -- then why would you drop them just because someone else "seems to think that is okay"?
May I say they seem very shallowly entrenched.
 

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Lex said:
If you were not looking to shut anyone up, then I would have expected you to address Zora here rather than reporting her post like so many of other users who claim they champion free speech but hit the (!) as soon as someone calls them on being "fucking stupid" or an "asshole." (I'm speaking in generalities here)
You sniveling S.O.B.! I had no idea it was now in your realm of powers to announce WHO makes reports with the ! button...By the way, it came AFTER I had posted in the thread. Several minutes at least AFTER I had posted in the thread.

Lex said:
You could have addressed some of her points and ignored the cursing (or addressed Mindseye's points)--or done anything other than bitch about other people's bitching as you are so wont to do.
By all means Saint Lex, do tell me how to post. I was addressing one matter at that point. Perhaps, after having read what Mindseye had written, I found moments of agreement. Perhaps I decided to carefully compose a response to each of the well stated points he had made. Again, I did not know that I was supposed to do things in whatever order you had decided.

Lex said:
It never ceases to amaze me that the people who bitch the loudest about Moderator posts and actions report the most posts TO the Moderator Team.
As I indicated, I sent the report through the ! button AFTER my in thread response, also, since you have access to various records, I am not one to report posts. There have been several posts over time which I found somewhat offensive but I kept quiet. I have been verbally attacked in the past and never made !-reports. Today I had reached the breaking point. Let me help you here oh great one: I have sent less than 5 !-reports and less than 50 of those personal messages that go directly to another member.

What offends me most on this particular one Lex are that:
A)You have decided to let the world know that I sent an !-report on a post from one of your favorites...would you have done the same if it was on a no-named person? I sincerely doubt it.
B)You lie outright by implying that I am constantly sending !-reports...again, check your records.

Both of these (A and B) are far from being genuine moderator behavior.
 

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My grandfather was a naval corpsman in the marines during the Korean war and I believe he saw some combat. The Korean war was a proxy war, it is also CURRENTLY GOING ON RIGHT NOW!!!! We had our asses handed to us after Macarthur went too far North. Our soldiers fucking LITERALLY FROZE TO DEATH that winter while we were retreating to the 38th parallel. The news is now saying that they have tested a second weapon as I am typing this. WE NEVER SIGNED A PEACE TREATY, PREFERRING TO LET THE NORTH KOREANS SHAKE IN THEIR BOOTS EVERY DAY FOR THE PAST 50 years.

These two tests were designed to provoke UNILATERAL TALKS between the U.S. and North Korea. That's fucking it... they are blowing up their precious resources so they can get the chance to talk to us... UNREAL, SIMPLY UNREAL! The worst part is that WE WON"T DO IT. Preferring rather to move fucking JAPAN closer to militarization while trying to hawk our BULLSHIT MISSLE DEFENSE SYSTEM on Seoul and Tokyo. This administration has an ulterior motive, and I think it is allowing Japan, who has the world's largest Plutonium reserves, to secretly start a fucking NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM, it's the only thing I could think of. Why Carter or Clinton did not sign a treaty with North Korea is beyond me, but allowing the threat to build so Japan could claim self defense, when it unveils it's new warhead in the next few years makes sense.

Claire and a couple of people commented on how the explosions weren't very powerful, and that is because they don't have enough plutonium to deliver the really huge blasts. This is an insightful point. North Korea would never wage a nuclear war, they don't have access to enough plutonium to blow up their enemies. They will simply overrun Seoul in two days if they wanted to. China will never allow North Korea to do this because South Korea has a lot of investments in China's business industry. This is all a fucking GAME, perpetrated by the Washington and Tokyo to allow for another arms race and the militarization of Japan. This is the truth, nobody needs to be scared.... for now that is....
 

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All that insanity took place while I was typing my last post, I guess I'm pretty slow. This shit is FUCKING HILARIOUS, I won't even comment on it, but I will say that someone described Madame Zora's raving swearfests as eloquent. Eloquent (definately straight to the point, but eloquent?), are you serious? Oh, and ManiacalMadMan, wow, you have one HELL OF A TEMPER!!! My God, it's like you and MadameZora are a perfect match. Do you ever consider the fact that you just want to worship that woman? Just submit man, the fight is not worth it. She is a brilliant woman with balls of steel! She's the kind of hardcore woman you need brother!!!!!!!!!!
 

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ManiacalMadMan said:
You Lex are a waste. Even dog shit will not attach to the bottom of your shoes.

So you want to have the holier than thou behavior Lex, then by all means go for it. Go ahead ban my ass from here because let me tell you it would not be any great shakes to not have the opportunity to put cretins such as you in your place on a regular basis. Interesting thing about cretins such as you, you are not bright enough to understand ANYTHING which is being said. It is sad that you were somehow made a moderator since you are anything BUT a moderator. You are a one sided one dimensional cartoon cutting. Hell, you aren't even that realistic.

Maniacal. Wow - are you listening to yourself?


In one breath, you say that you have no difficulty with people disagreeing with you. Most people would perceive that to mean that you "agree to disagree", but then you lash out at those who are just expressing their opposite opinions. I think that there is a BIG difference in Madam Zora calling whoever she wants a fucking idiot for that person's beliefs (she has evidence to back it after all) and your lashing out at her and other people who have posted here with unsubstantiated claims - sorry, that's just how I see it :mad: .


I am not going to get into the political debate here - I would be one of the fuckwits in this realm and am not really in the mood. HOWEVER - that does not mean that I am going to get angry at Madam Zora or Lex for their opinions or of what they may think about my beliefs.


This is a free country - that is the way it is supposed to be. It’s in the Constitution. It’s in the First Amendment. That is why there are 2 political parties and multiple sides to ANY issue. This is the stuff that can ruin friendships and believe me, family also.


I am not saying that I think it’s the right thing to do to call everyone I disagree with a fucking idiot, but its for DAMN SURE my right as an American to do so if I want. You aren’t accomplishing anything at all then to throw out meaningless insults to anyone who disagrees with you. Seriously, we are adults – why can’t we act like them sometimes?
 

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tripod said:
...but I will say that someone described Madame Zora's raving swearfests as eloquent. Eloquent (definately straight to the point, but eloquent?), are you serious?

Thank you Merriam-Webster for the following;

Sarcasm ('sar-"ka-zm) noun: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain.
 

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MMM said:
You are scum Lex. The lowest of the low. I have watched your seedy behavior here (and in your alleged personal life) and watched as neanderthal minded twits fawn over your UGLY body. ...once more you had to portray yourself as Saint of The Cheaters
You amuse me as you undermine your own points with your posts.

MMM--were you aware that Mrs. Lex reads this board? Were you aware of how we redefined our marriage as we uncovered my orientation? I didn't think so. How would you, you've been here only a few months.

If you wanted to, you could ask Matthew, or Bronx, or Zora, or DC DEEP or Steve (26 or 319), or Naughty, or anyone who knows my wife or more of our situation.

But since you don't, please be quiet about such things (or don't and hear far worse that Zora would sling at you).

So please kindly, STFU and FROAD:

I am sorry that being called on your actions upsets you so. Sucks to be you.
 

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I don't think you should be allowed to call a moderator "scum"! There must be some kind of punishment for that, right?
 

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tripod said:
I don't think you should be allowed to call a moderator "scum"! There must be some kind of punishment for that, right?

Rule one of Dungeons and Dragons: Don't FUCK with the dungeon master...:rolleyes:
 

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tripod said:
I don't think you should be allowed to call a moderator "scum"! There must be some kind of punishment for that, right?
Nope. Truth is an absolute defense against libel. We are scum.

That said, as I see it, the personal attacks in this thread began with post #3, when ManiacalMadMan accused Zora and Lex of merely "shooting away", of "leaving a mess", and of being unable to propose reasonable points. His post addressed none of the legitimate concerns that were raised in the thread at that point -- the lack of personal accountability, the financial cost of this administration, the lowered world esteem, the forfeiture of civil rights. Instead, he levied an ad hominem attack using solely G-rated words.

In response, Zora, whose pissed-off-o-meter goes to 11 (and skips quite a few intermediate settings), fought back. Four fucks, an ass, and an asshole later, ManiacalMadMan decides to take the moral high ground:

ManiacalMadMan said:
The issue I had/have with Madame Zora is that such vulgar language towards me is not going to help me put any stock in anything she has to say.
The TOS has no prohibition against "potty mouth"; what it does prohibit is behavior that is "consistently disruptive or abusive". I disapprove of both parties' attacks, but disagree that either one of them has met the standard of consistency required by the TOS. In short, if you can dish it out, you'd better be prepared to take it as well.
 

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I have sounded off too many times on Bush. Clinton was no saint either, as he mostly talked alot and played wishy-washy games, but he did talk well enough to our own people and the rest of the world to give enough warm fuzzies that people generally were getting along with the US--just the usual hatred/jealousy/justified or not animosoty etc. Party politics really no longer matter---the democrats sold their souls out of fear and inability to pull their heads out far enough to fight the insane money/power/religious/fill in the blank reason for fucking you for what I want/ psychos who learned how to run a better game. Everybody sees what a moron you;ve been, And how you have driven the country to the brink right before your election? Why, blame it on the fags--they want to get married!!! Rush right out and vote for Bush, or you are a fag or fag lover!! Brilliant strtegy, impeccably timed and implemented, using the inherent hatred of a still large majority of the populace. "I don't hate gay people--I'm a good loving Christian--I just feel they should be executed before I see them on the streets of my hometown". Personally, I agree with all the sentiments and anger of Mdm Zora. But I extend it to ALL the people of this country who let this happen...Fuck you, Democrats, for not haveing any fucking balls to fight against a fascist fuck who only wants to sell off and kill as many people as possible, because it;s good fir his fucking wallet. FUck you, media, for buying into the " we are too big of pussies, so we will just follow the Fox news model until it is too late". Fuck you, Joe and Jill American, for not rioting in the God Damned streets 15 seconds after dickwad announced he was invading Iraq, permanently fucking over the entire country for generations, perhaps to the point where there won;t be an America LEFT if 50 years. You bastards stole the dog, publically fucked it in front of the the 5 year old child, and ripped it to shreads and gorged on it. We are ALL going to the hell of our making, and I'm ashamed to say I didn't riot in the streets myself. So I'm just as responsible. Blame all you want, people--defend your actions, deny your part, whatever. We all took the big fat greasy donkey cock and rammed it right up our own asses. With sand. And a sledgehammer. So, I guess, fuck me, too, for my part in letting it all happen.
 

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Is this thread about North Korea or the fight between MMM and MZ? Did anyone read my post which I popped sixty brain cells to bring forth? I had some interesing points...