And if he'd asked a pro-gay pastor, there'd be five forum threads howling to the Heavens about how it just confirms that he's the most liberal president ever......yada yada yada.
actually, why didn't he just ask a simple pastor, from the National Church, who does not make his political views an issue?
Frankly, i do not think an anti-gay bigot should be giving an address, no matter whose inauguration it is.
I have not started a single controversial or critical thread in this forum about Obama's political choices, not one.
i just find it very ironic, that he could not find a simple, non-controversial bishop (or priest or pastor or reverend or whatever, since i do not believe in god and do not care at all...frankly i find it offensive that there is a religious presence of any kind at every inauguration)
I do not care who he asked, but if this isn't a direct slap in the face to those gay groups that supported him, why are they reacting so angrily?
it is not my words, it is theirs. Nor is it partisan...
the liberal and gay groups are going berserk...not the far right looneys...so take it up with them.
Fact: no matter what he does, there will be "gotcha" artists waiting with bated breath.
Threads like this are becoming so predictable.
how is asking a legitimate question about why someone who is an alleged supporter of the GLBT community, has this bigot performing at his inauguration "gotcha" artistry?
This is a legitimate issue, that is all over the news, and has provoked alot of anger from liberal and gay groups.
frankly, i do not care who this guy is...he means nothing to me. I could give two shits about an evangelist and even less about what he thinks about gay rights...
it seems strange that you would refer to me as a "gotcha" artist, considering this is hardly a "gotcha"...it is all over the news...and many gay groups are extremely pissed off.
since i do not belong to a gay group or an evangelical group, ultimately i do not care...
however, since i am a supporter of gay rights, i find it decidedly offensive that Obama would choose this particular evangelist, considering how many of his supporters are genuinely hurt and upset by this.
no skin off my back. i am not evangelical, i am not gay, nor am i an Obama supporter.
As far as i am concerned, it is pretty clear that the gay rights issue with Obama is going to be just like it was with the clinton's...only slightly less non-existent. he needed their votes, he got them, but when it comes to actually sticking his neck out for them, he won't, be it on gay marriage or don't ask don't tell.
it is not politically in his interest.
Insert knee-jerk "the sky is falling" thread.
where is a "the sky is falling" thread? This is a rather insulting choice, and a stupid mistake. This will not cause the sky to fall...but it is a legitimate question. Why choose to do something he knows will offend the gay community, when he could have simply chose a simple, non-political, local preacher, with no axe to grind and no public following of lunatics?
If legitimate questions can no longer be asked of a president's choices, then i am sorry, we should all just move to Russia...since Putin has just sponsored legislation to make critical dissent and to label critics "traitors" and have them arrested for 20 years, i think the only difference would be the lack of traitorous descriptions and prison.
Follow the Limbaugh model (grandiose indignation with a dose of sarcasm ((veiled or brazen, depending on....hmm....whimsy?)
)
I asked very legitimate questions in the post...it was hardly "the Limbaugh Model"
I asked
- why did he get a noted anti-gay bigot to perfom the invocation
(a very legitimate question, i believe, or should we not question bigots?)
I stated
- It seemed Insulting (it certainly is to his gay supporters)
- It was bizarre (it is, as a choice)
- and it was totally imprudent (it was...look at the predictable storm, that will distract from the importance of the event if this man speaks)
I asked
- "how do his gay supporters feel about this guy Warren who strongly supported the gay marriage ban in CA. , delivering the invocation at the Inauguration?" (since i am not gay, should i not ask how his gay supporters feel about this, for their opinion? Apparently not)
I Stated
- "talk about insulting your supporters...." (and that is an insult to gay supporters, whether you acknowledge it or not, because the initial reaction i am seeing, many gays are hurt, offended, upset, angry and a combination)
I Stated
- "i thought Obama was supposed to be so savvy and smart."
(everyone says so, yet this is a big mistake, andn ot smart or savvy at all. In fact, it was pretty obviously a huge problem waiting to happen. A smart person would simply have selected a simple non-controversial pastor.)
And Asked
- "why would he do something that silly?" (Well, why?)
And Stated
- "I really hope he shows better judgment then that in office. "
(and i hope to hell he does...because screwing up something so obvious, on a topic as non-controversial as his flipping inauguration, is very strange)
because it seems to satisfy some inherent need to moan and rabble-rouse (and it will be met with glee by a certain segment of the populace who react like a child being handed a Hershey bar).
this is a political forum. this is a political issue at the moment. considering the gay community is furious in the news about this, how exactly is discussing the news issue "rabble-rousing" ? There would be no rabble being roused, had he not made such a dumb decision, and those doing the rousing, are in fact people who were staunch allies and supporters of his.
If questioned about it, go on the offensive, and, if possible, make specious comparisons by the dozen.
what specious comparisons have been made?
He has created this issue, and it is obviously a big deal to the gay groups who supported him.
People have a right to criticize imprudent decisions taken by politicians...Obama is almost the president now. He has responsibilities. This is not a campaign anymore where he can say one thing and do another and make soaring speeches without having to act on them.
He is the president-elect, and this shows very bad judgment towards a group of people that supported him passionately.
every decision he makes from now on, he will be criticized or praised for. deal with it. people have the right to express dissent, and disagree with him if they happen to see things a different way.
people on here complaining about Obama have no less of a right to do so then those who complain endlessly about Bush do.
the fact is, Bush will be gone, thankfully, in two months...after that, Obama is president...and guess what, as president, the citizens have the right to disagree and question your policies.
Cite sources, but it's not really necessary that they bear any relation to the topic or the truth.