Originally posted by Freddie53@Jan 8 2005, 03:57 PM
"... in gymn classes in juninor hi the flaccid penis was there for all to see in the dressing room and the showers made fun of the growers. So it didn't matter if it was 12 inches erect, if it was the smallest flaccid one there, well.....
....And that is what influences the development of personality.
....And even now down at the fitness center it is next to impossible not to be seen in the nude briefly when changing...
It affected my circle of firends. I didn't play football to avoid being seen in the nude in the locker room because my flaccid penis wasn't large. I avoided pledging a fratnernity in college that I really wanted to pledge because I had heard stories.
So yes, flaccid length does make a diference. And some people are turned on by the bulges as well. And while the actual size of the penis may not be easily determined in most pants, most foks can tell if it is thin and less than 5 inches flaccid or 6 or seven thick penises flaccid. Hard to hide that fact....
.....I thought I was small because all Isaw were the showers in high school and the playgirl magazines. And that is what is happening to our teen boys. The only peniss they see are porn stars. Many of them have never seen a penis other than their own. So over at the small penis forum the teens come and complain how small they are and will they grow some more and they are 6 or 6.5 inches long and they are concerned they are small. The media they see has them convinced that all guys are 8 inches long and if you are not then you are small.
.... flaccid length can reallly concern young teens more than erect sizes. Later when they are sexually active then the concern changes for obvious reasons.
Freddie 53....I'm really enjoying reading your posts!
I relate very well to what you've said in the above quotes I selected. I am very near your age and apparently grew up observing the same kinds of things you did in high school locker room settings. Back then, I also kept noticing other guys who were much bigger in their flaccid dimensions than I was and those images left indelible impressions and dang near impossible "standards" (or so I thought!

for me to ever live up to! So, I also shied away from ANY settings requiring changing clothes around other guys...period. Consequently, I avoided sports, was socially "inactive" (compared to others) and in retrospect----just "missed out on living". A real shame and a waste of an otherwise wonderful period of my life.
I watched others (guys my age) dating; enjoying a period of life of emotionally maturing into manhood while I on the other hand sat in the sidelines absolutely convinced I couldn't "measure up". That agony is something I just wish I could spare other guys...especially the teenagers. It's why this forum is so important I think. The LPSG gives us the chance to open up, discuss, and get down to the nitty gritty of our male sexuality and our sexual thoughts--so common to each of us, really and we don't even know it! I'm sure we fascinate the women here who witness some of our being honest and being ourselves. Well, it helps women then, understand us better! No real loss, then. Our pride as men is already shot when we are self conscious about our size!
Flaccid size is important. And, it's misunderstood, too. Way too much erroneous thinking out there in the world that larger flaccid sizes always translate into "whopper" erect sizes. Fact is , many of these larger soft sizes are really "semi erect ones" but that truth too, is so often NOT known. The younger guys in high school wonder of course, but they don't ask and they're scared to ask or make remarks. And really....WHO would they ask? Why, they'd be laughed to scorn or worse--even "labeled" for their interest of other guys around them.
Being around this forum now for over three years has helped me immensely but the one thing I believe I have indeed settled on as "real truth" is that we guys are much more worried over our penis sizes --our comparision to one another and those bragging rights!.....than any woman in our life who would ever be. While there are women out there who deliberately seek out big men for personally legitimate reasons (and, I learned THAT here, too!

...for the most part men are just naturally curious and competitive with each other. And unfortunately, we next manage to attach a guilt trip which accompanies us throughout our lives thinking there's something's wrong with our being so "penis conscious".
This "stuff" probably won't ever stop, either---this penis phobia as such. Our penises are such an intrinsic part of who we are as men....or who we think we are!
In order to cope with all this, we have to stick together as "brothers" and encourage one another as we can from time to time. That's what we do here.
And, like you freddie53----I've "visited" the smaller p. forums myself and got terribly discouraged over there. I offered encouraging advice (learned over here, mostly!

and my good intentions fell flat. Hostility even erupted--from nowhere all at once it seemed. That "small men site" seemed to be an emotional landmine.
The most innocent attempts to encourage them was taken as a pesonal assault (it seemed to me). I simply grew tired then, of even trying to offer encouragement.
A MUCH friendlier group over on THIS side of town!
And, I think much more purposeful too, in many ways. Yes, while we certainly have considerable indications (lately) that there's a lot of fantasizing going on around here (from those fellas average or less in their sizes), our discussed topics nonetheless still generally have substance to them and we get useful information (for the most part) exchanged here. Men of all dimensions finally have somewhere to go to just "be themselves" and .....express themselves.