Somali Pirates Hijack 3 More Ships

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  1. Principessa

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    Somali Pirates Hijack 3 More Ships


    I'm tired of all this pirates on the high seas, hijacking ships and killing innocent people. :aargh4: I say every nation who is affected by these thugs should declare open season on them. :rant::fight::BoomSmilie_anim::gasthrower:
     
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    any dumbfuck in a rubber ducky with an AK47 should be blown away.. BANG , GONE , NO QUESTIONS ASKED !
     
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    Yes, it would seem these pirates could be fended off. But I believe there is a maritime law that prevents merchant marine ships from arming themselves with weapons that would allow them to protect themselves. Maybe I'm wrong. But I vaguely recall an international waters agreement treaty that included some sort of "tying of hands" by merchant marines.
     
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    Killing is not the solution. They'll just become more aggressive because of that.
     
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    Killing is the only solution. The risk of piracy needs to outweigh its reward.
     
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    I thinks it's a little unclear, I do know that many nations are unhappy about the idea of merchant vessels being armed when in port. Never mind that crews (who are not required to have firearms training) could expose themselves to even more risk.

    The Chinese did a good job last year when they fought off an attack with improvised Molotov Cocktails, another crew used firehoses. Unless it's their own vessel, I suppose it comes down to how much personal risk ship's crews are willing to take in defence of a ship that's insured. For the most part I'd imagine that's not much.

    While it risks an escalation of violence, I think the US action sent a clear message. However I can't help but think, as underscored by the attack on the Greek ship - it may not be one that's heeded - many of these 'pirates' are essentially drunk, drugged out opportunistic bums, too stupid to really care.

    I don't know if the fact this latest attack was [unusually] made at night was some half baked response to the US action, or merely coincidental.

    Unless nations are prepared to escort merchant ships, with force - the off chance that some naval vessel will come to the aid of their next target seems a risk they'll likely continue to take. When one persuses dangerous activities in a region where life is cheap ...
     
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    Stop dumping shit in their coastal waters.

    Johann Hari - You are being lied to about pirates.
    Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent

    Illegal fishing off Somalia nets $300m a year
    Illegal fishing off Somalia nets $300m a year - Mail & Guardian Online: The smart news source

    While these groups aren't actually part of the militia who has been fighting an ongoing civil war, they do pay tribute to them for protection, thus feeding the anarchy that Somalia has experienced for well over a decade now.

    It seems that when you push people, they sometimes push back.
     
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    I have a friend who's father works in the shipping industry. About 20-25 years ago, one of his ships (carrying oil) was taken over by pirates. Kinda crazy. I'd barb wire the sides and hire Blackwater if it were mine
     
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    The Navy seals should have had 4 snipers,the extra one was to kill their fucking parrot.
     
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    I wasn't aware of that rule, you are probably right. That pretty much makes them sitting ducks. :frown1::mad:

    I dunno, I'm thinking they may be like roaches and if you take out the nest you get rid of all of them.

    Okay, as violent as my initial post was I'd like to think there are some less violent options, of which I just didn't think. Then again it's not like the Somali Pirates had a representative at the G20 Summit or in the UN. How do we negotiate with pirates? Oops that's right, pirates are terrorists; and we don't negotiate with terrorists. Hmm, okay maybe we should just off them all. Can we give crips and bloods a couple of battle ships and let them have at it?

    :rofl: Funny! :lmao:
     
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    Sometimes, I want to be proven wrong ...:cool:

    BBC NEWS | Africa | Pirates attack second US vessel
     
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    Just me but a news story I read earlier indicated the pirates as targeting and exacting revenge against US cargo vessels specifically. Don't know if it was their fearless leader barking out the insane rantings ? During WW II cargo ships were armed, but it would seem to me that this declaration by said pirates is their way of serving notice that they have declared war on the USA.

    That said, a number of options are readily available. US aircraft carriers in the area could scramble planes that are easily an over match for the pirates armament on their boats. All one needs to do is revisit what happened to the USS Liberty when Israel attacked her:

    USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Another, arm the cargo vessel as they were during WW II. Only today, put a guided missile system similar to what was used for a bunker buster vs Saddam Hussein. Or even anti-ship missiles that were on FFG-7's. That level of a payload and accuracy would ensure the pirates vessel would be destroyed.

    We've had FFG-7's that have anti-ship missiles that can destroy things on the horizon for decades.

    Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Mk 13 missile launcher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Clinton (Hillary that is), wants to freeze their assets and treat them much like any other terrorist funded group. Sure, why not, but also engage in the war that they've declared. After they open fire, destroy them unmercifully and completely obliterate their vessel. Capture remaining survivors and treat them as terrorists/criminals that they are.

    In my opinion, it's pretty pathetic that our armed forces (Navy) downplay their strike capabilities. Furthermore, piracy in 2009 is a joke and the mere fact it continues supports this line of thought:

    Killing is the only solution. The risk of piracy needs to outweigh its reward.

    Piracy worked in the days of wooden sailing ships on the other side of the globe. Pirates could attack and it would take awhile for a response, even to hear of the news. Today, these cargo ships have internet, it would be as easy/quick as sending an email and scrambling planes. Imagine someone texting the message with an Apple iPhone ? Heck the cargo vessels could provide exact coordinates of attacking pirates, laser guided missiles could be steered into the Captain's quarters head/toilet of the pirates ship if necessary.

    Maybe this is the terrorist threat Obama faces early on as President of the USA ? He handled the initial incident well, but at this point, this is like the Bush's fighting Iraq in the desert. Shouldn't take any more than 3 weeks of real combat to own that stretch of sea. Insurgency, does that even really apply ? The vastness of the ocean, there are no cities nor civilians to hide amongst, sooner or later the pirates have to make that confrontation. Once identified, how tough would it be to destroy them or even have a convoy waiting at port for them as they reapproach the coast ?
     
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    A few people hindering free trade routes do not amount to declaring war on the USA.

    This is a very weak analogy. The similarities between the two incidents are only that they are American boats being attacked. In one incident you have an American military boat being attacked by another organized and recognized military power. The other is civilians of another nation attacking civilians from a separate nation. The approach and handling of these situations are going to be completely different.


    Again, maritime law prevents civilian ships of any kind being armed for obvious reasons. The idea of having civilian cargo ships pulling into foreign ports scars the hell out of the international community. For example, can you imagine a cargo ship filled with armed men under the guise of foreign cargo crew members delivering shipment to a port outside of L.A then eventually taking that port hostage. Lastly, the idea of arming civilian cargo ships with military weapons is asan. I'm not to sure if they really thought that idea out or just thought it would be "cool."

    You can't declare war on a group of people especially one with no organized goverment. Just like a previous poster said hindering free trade routes is not a capital offense. Hence, why we must attempt to negotiate with them like we would a bank robber holding his hostages captive.


    What you're asking is the U.S Navy to combat an area the size of L.A to Chicago and to New York that's the Gulf of Aden but also the Gulf of Oman, the Arabian Sea, the Red Sea and a large part of the Indian Ocean; a total of 2½ million square miles.To even accomplish that huge goal the U.S would need a minimum of 200 plus battleships constantly patroling only that part of the world.
     
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    Chuck,
    Just tonight I heard that the German sub #852 was sunk off that coast in 1945 it was said to have a cargo of uranium on board.Who really knows what the truth is?
     
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    Did the U-Boat cut all the fishing nets and take 300mil worth of fish too?!?

    "When the tsunami of 2004 hit the country, the United Nation Environment Programme (UNEP) reported that many waste containers washed up on the the coast of Puntland. It is now widely understood that European companies are systematically dumping toxic waste in these waters.
    The UN special envoy for Somalia, Ahmedou Ould Abdallah, has in the past few months repeatedly sounded the alarm about illegal fishing and toxic dumping off Somalia by European firms.
    Mr Abdullah said that his organisation has "reliable information" that European and Asian companies are dumping the waste - including nuclear waste, - in this region.
    The European Union has responded to these allegations with silence."
    EU firms should stop toxic dumping off Somalia
    http://euobserver.com/13/27244

    Isn't this really a case of the little guy pushing back?
     
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    See responses in the quote.
     
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