Some Good Ol' Fashion Schoolin'

[Ericsson1228d]

Otherwise, there's nothing to see here but a bunch of people looking for something silly to bitch about.
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Yeah, "nothing to see," because you disagree with a viewpoint. We can just dismiss people to take the counterpoint as just "having something silly to bitch about."

Problem solved. Thanks again!

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Yeah, "nothing to see," because you disagree with a viewpoint. We can just dismiss people to take the counterpoint as just "having something silly to bitch about."

Problem solved. Thanks again!

Thank you, bigot.
Yes, I do believe that complaining about children singing a song about the President is silly. With all of the problems that do exist in the world, you'd think we can be focused on something that really IS harming today's youth... like the apparent lack of education? Perhaps then, they would know what Socialism meant in History Class and could come back home and teach the rest of us what it really represents?

No... the kids sang a happy song about Obama and/or Bush. Call in the National Guard!!!
And you wonder why you hear the sound of people moaning & sucking their teeth in unison?

 

[Ericsson1228d]

Thank you, bigot.

No problem, Nincompoop.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

No problem, Nincompoop.

That would apply to you too, however, don't let that image of yourself in the mirror fool you or anything.

 

[b.c.]

Now, I know this is hard for liberals to understand, but stay on topic.

These kids are clearly being indoctrinated to believe Obama is a good president; which he isn't yet. If you were a respectable person you would acknowledge that had Bush supporters done the same thing you would have been outraged. Instead you post non-sense.

Obama didn't grow up poor. His father could afford to attend U oh Hawaii, as could his mother. He went to private school. This whole grass roots thing is non-sense. Quit acting like the left actually cares for any of the things you list.

Just for the record, I don't want my kids looking up to the president; any president. It's a job, as has recently been discovered by so many liberals who thought it was the papacy.

Who's to say Bush supporters (or some school, teacher, or district in support of Bush) didn't do the same thing? Why is this one incident involving one class being treated as some widespread evil "Nazi-like" plan to brainwash all of America's children? And why is the notion of seeing the presidency or even Obama in a favorable light so threatening to right wingers and conservatives? I've suggested why.

That Obama went to private school himself does not negate the connection that hundreds of thousands of school children (who've never before connected) have made, NOT to Obama, nor necessarily the presidency, but to the political/social process, as potential contributors and participants.

Granted, it's not a "papacy" as you suggest (though, depending on who was in office, one would have thought so). Now it's just a job?

But if "just a job", an important one, if you will allow. Should not our youth have interest in it, be connected to how even they may play a role in our society? Was it/is it not that DISCONNECT that right wingers and conservatives always seem to bemoan? Is this sense of mattering, of involvement not a good thing, overall?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Who's to say Bush supporters (or some school, teacher, or district in support of Bush) didn't do the same thing? Why is this one incident involving one class being treated as some widespread evil "Nazi-like" plan to brainwash all of America's children? And why is the notion of seeing the presidency or even Obama in a favorable light so threatening to right wingers and conservatives? I've suggested why.

That Obama went to private school himself does not negate the connection that hundreds of thousands of school children (who've never before connected) have made, NOT to Obama, nor necessarily the presidency, but to the political/social process, as potential contributors and participants.

Granted, it's not a "papacy" as you suggest (though, depending on who was in office, one would have thought so). Now it's just a job?

But if "just a job", an important one, if you will allow. Should not our youth have interest in it, be connected to how even they may play a role in our society. Was it/is it not that DISCONNECT that right wingers and conservatives always seem to bemoan? Is this sense of mattering, of involvement not a good thing, overall?

Not only that, but at the end of the day it's just a damn song.
I don't know about you, but when I was their age I HATED everything about music class. The majority of students in my class all hated singing these ridiculous songs. Didn't matter who or what it was about. Ironically, several of us (including myself) are musicians now. But I'm sure it had nothing to do with anything subliminal messaged injected into a song.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

Ironically, several of us (including myself) are musicians now.

Cool! What instrument do you play? I took music lessons for a while but really didn't have much musical ability.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Cool! What instrument do you play?

Well, once I escaped the clutches that was a Music class, I found out what Band & Orchestra was all about. At least there I had a choice over what I wanted to play and we could decide what songs we wanted to perform during assemblies. Started with two years of violin, and then moved to percussion and did that for 6 years. Now, I create & sequence music from scratch via computer.

But let's not hijack the thread... we should be worried about the children now. They're singing a song about the President. OMG!!

 

[Flashy]

I think both are pretty reprehensible. I don't mind my kid being addressed by the president. I do mind my child being taught songs of praise for any politician.

the sanity arrives in the thread

+1

 

[Industrialsize]

So you really think Bush did nothing for the Katrina victims? I mean to the level of not having a response? Bush admitted there was a flaw in the response, but there was a response. Or are you just repeating party rhetoric?

Saturday August 27: Governor Blanco (DEM) asks Bush to Declare Federal Emergency. SAME DAY, Bush Declares it, Gives DHS, FEMA full authorization to respond to the Emergency. (note this was 3 Days before Katrina made landfall).

August 28: 1 Day Before Landfall, Ray Nagin (DEM) orders Evacuation. Bush responded to the State of Emergency Request as soon as the Governor of LA asked for it. Ray Nagin had authority to order Evacuation whenever he wanted. Apparently, it wasn't early enough.

Now, Bush admits the Federal response was inadequate. However, Blanco and Nagin just played the "Not My Fault" Game. In addition, according to Title 10 and Title 32 of the U.S. Code, Blanco had the authority, as Governor, to call up the National Guard whenever she wanted - she simply had to declare a state emergency first, which lies solely under her purview as governor. What was she waiting for?

So sure, Bush has admitted to doing wrong, but Nagin and Blanco are no innocents in the lack of response to Katrina. Of course, the MSM ignored that because they had a (D) after their name on TV.

FWIW, I also don't like children being taught to praise our leaders, it's a little too 1960s China with the children chanting "Mao, Mao, Mao!"

Katrina response failure:

Google

 

[B_VinylBoy]

A show of hands for anyone who actually thinks these kids will even remember the words to this song when they get older. Please?

 

[B_Nick8]

I don't mind my kid being addressed by the president. I do mind my child being taught songs of praise for any politician.

It does smack slightly of a cult of personality although because it's the president of the United States and therefor a patriotic statement, it doesn't particularly bother me.

I remember being a child in the '60s and having young, politically-motivated teachers. We were taught songs like Janice Ian's "Society Child". I remember every word to this day and the message of songs like that had a huge impact on me.

 

[D_Chaumbrelayne_Copprehead]

Our leaders are people we elect for a finite amount of time to do a particular job. Having children sing their praises just feels creepy and un-American ... right, left or in-between.

 

[Bbucko]

It does smack slightly of a cult of personality although because it's the president of the United States and therefor a patriotic statement, it doesn't particularly bother me.

I remember being a child in the '60s and having young, politically-motivated teachers. We were taught songs like Janice Ian's "Society Child". I remember every word to this day and the message of songs like that had a huge impact on me.

My grammar-school music classes were all about Bob Dylan and Peter, Paul & Mary. I still remember all the words to Where Have All the Flowers Gone?, Five Hundred Miles, and Blowing In The Wind.

 

[SilverTrain]

So, there is anger at.......the school teacher? Is that what all the hand-wringing is about? The teacher?

Or is it just a convenient stepping off point to do a bait-and-switch and yell at "liberals" in general, President Obama, etc.?

 

[lucky8]

Teacher gets fired. Glenn Beck "cries", the story is over.

 

[SpeedoGuy]

Who's to say Bush supporters (or some school, teacher, or district in support of Bush) didn't do the same thing?

Its my own small example but I saw some of that: Private religious school teachers taking their students on a tour of my office on election day last year. Every time Obama's image appeared on the TV in the lunchroom the teachers encouraged their students to boo and hiss.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

Its my own small example but I saw some of that: Private religious school teachers taking their students on a tour of my office on election day last year. Every time Obama's image appeared on the TV in the lunchroom the teachers encouraged their students to boo and hiss.

Do we know if the school in the "Praise BO" video was public or private?

In private schools, you can get away with that, much like having prayer, etc. It is a different set of standards when its public vs. private.

However, I still think schoolchildren should not be getting brainwashed to support anyone or any party, by a teacher, etc. It is up to Parents how they want to raise their children. Let the parents do the brainwashing (and that goes for both parties).

 

[B_Nick8]

My grammar-school music classes were all about Bob Dylan and Peter, Paul & Mary. I still remember all the words to Where Have All the Flowers Gone?, Five Hundred Miles, and Blowing In The Wind.

You're right, those too. Maybe it was a Massachusetts thing. :wink:

 

[SpeedoGuy]

Do we know if the school in the "Praise BO" video was public or private?

In private schools, you can get away with that, much like having prayer, etc. It is a different set of standards when its public vs. private.

However, I still think schoolchildren should not be getting brainwashed to support anyone or any party, by a teacher, etc. It is up to Parents how they want to raise their children. Let the parents do the brainwashing (and that goes for both parties).

Agreed.

I thought it dismaying that even private school teachers would still stoop to indoctrinating their studetns with their own political views but its their matter. Had it been a public school I might well have spoken up about it, whether whoever the target of the hissing was.