some say gay=unnatural

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no, you give your opinion of what is true.
what you believe is the truth.

there's a difference.

if i hold a rock i can say truthfully 'this is a rock'
but i can only say that i believe this rock was created by the big bang/god/volcano/pixies.

How Can I when you are an atheist/Don't believe in any Religion.

How Can I when you are bringing the Animals as your excuse?

You will tend to deny everything I say, you developed a sickness that cannot be cured...

You are Brainwashed....

And whom to blame?

I am talking to the walls... not humans...
 

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How Can I when you are an atheist/Don't believe in any Religion.

How Can I when you are bringing the Animals as your excuse?

You will tend to deny everything I say, you developed a sickness that cannot be cured...

You are Brainwashed....

And whom to blame?

I am talking to the walls... not humans...
non believers aren't human?

you destroy your own humanity when you dismiss the humanity of others.
 

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You are missing the whole point.. :smile:
no, i'm not.
i can see another's point and still not agree.
you cannot even see if it does not fit with your set belief.
a man suffering tunnel vission, accusing those around him of being blind.

...and less human.
 

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no, i'm not.
i can see another's point and still not agree.
you cannot even see if it does not fit with your set belief.
a man suffering tunnel vission, accusing those around him of being blind.

...and less human.

Thanks, that makes you human enough to say such a thing...

For the sake of your beloved ones...

Free us from your Bright mentality...
 

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if sex in humans was purely for procreation and not bonding, why can't men smell when women are fertile and only desire sex with them then?
and why do women accept sex when they're not fertile?

When did I say that sex is or must always be for procreation?

My point was that if an animal by the time it dies does not reproduce then it has defied Nature.

Its nice that you can all hope for "more" or "higher" things in life because you are humans. You are still animals at the most basic level.

I'm still waiting for some evidence or a source other than a biased, angry person which suggests that HOMOSEXUALITY is "natural".

Note: There is a difference between something that is natural and something which occurs in nature.

In nature, a lioness mother will care for and raise a gazelle cub given the right environmental factors. This is not natural as gazelle are normally a prey animal to lions.

Homosexual acts occur in nature but they are not natural. They are responses to changes in the environment ie when no females are around male dolphins will engage in sex.

Homosexuality (ie 100% unerring homosexuality throughout an animal's entire life) occurs in (human) nature but it is not natural. I don't know of any animals except humans that are 100% homosexual and never have sex with females of their species.

Some sources you may be able to use: the dictionary, scientific articles, documentary evidence.

If you are only backing up your claim with your own slanted view then please refrain from responding.

Everything I have said has been backed up by evidence. The only responses I have seen have been personal attacks and unverified, unsubstantiated personal opinions.
 

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When did I say that sex is or must always be for procreation?

My point was that if an animal by the time it dies does not reproduce then it has defied Nature.
defied nature?? what a terrible choice of words! lol

if a social animal has contributed to the reproduction of closely related animals, thus passing on part of it's dna, then it has not 'defied nature'.

ensuring a sibling reproduces successfully is a way of passing on related genes.

in social mammals, like humans & wolves, non-breeding adults helped to feed and raise the offspring of others in the group. it's natural.
 

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Everything I have said has been backed up by evidence. The only responses I have seen have been personal attacks and unverified, unsubstantiated personal opinions.
please post the evidence.
because so far you've provided statements without reasoning and a cut & paste of the opinion of one man.
 

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Incocknito

You fool. How matter you write in detail, they will still deny what you said, they will bring false evidence and keep sprouting their mouths in their Gibberish language...

The Only way that will make them be Satisfied is to say that Gay is natural.
 

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Because you seem angry at me...

I speak for myself,

I have no right to swear any Gay person, I have no right to speak bad about him...

Besides, I will honor him, I will treat him like my brother, I will love him.

Please... Understand me...
 

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Because you seem angry at me...

I speak for myself,

I have no right to swear any Gay person, I have no right to speak bad about him...

Besides, I will honor him, I will treat him like my brother, I will love him.

Please... Understand me...
i'm entertaining myself by arguing evolution & faith on a dick board.
you're reading an awful lot into that, kid.
 

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dolfette, If you are here to entertain yourself, then enjoy every second of it.

Kotchanski, I haven't deemed anyone against nature, perhaps It is Incocknito is the one?

I agree with all the facts you wrote.
 

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dolfette...read my many earlier posts. Dictionary definitions were used and my answer was given in the conext of such verifiable, unchanging definitions. I also cited an article from another source to backup my assertion(s)

Also:

Biological imperative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
FuturePundit: Habitat Loss Reduces US Bird Populations

Taken from the second link:

The instinct to reproduce is incredibly strong (even as many intellectuals erroneously claim we've somehow escaped our instincts).

Sane Psychology - Google Books

Taken from the above link:

The instinct to reproduce is so universal in all biology that it may be considered a fundamental characteristic of life itself, for without it life cannot continue.

I answered your question about animals that don't reproduce yet look after others of the same species as well. I answered it twice and the second time was very clear.

If you need more sources of evidence then use google. Or do you need me to help you with that too?

Now, show me some evidence to support your point of view or else stop making me repeat simple facts and information that I have repeated too many times already.

Kotchanski...you have obviously NOT UNDERSTOOD.

I am talking about the practice of 100% unerring homosexuality. Not bisexuality, gay for pay or gay for enough beers types of homosexual behaviour.

I also stated at least once that only the act is unnatural as it relates to Nature. The people themselves were naturally conceived and I am sure live very normal lives outside of their sexual preference.
 
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