sperm or egg donation

[1kmb1]

Did I say it was in the remake?

umm yes? Charlie and the chocolate factory is the remake.

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

I meant Willy Wonka silly!

 

[sbat]

Let me ask you instead: If you were hoping to conceive after repeated failing in this area- would you prefer an egg from a woman who had big tits and would you want your daughter to have big tits also?

How does that make you feel? A little creepy. Well good, it should.

Maybe not tits, but what about body shape? If I'm receiving a donated egg, I'm going to want to make sure my kid starts off on the right foot health-wise - as few burdensome susceptibilities and predispositions as possible. And yes, if I had a son, I'd want him to have a big dick. Look, there are so many things in society capable of destroying one's confidence - which is the number one factor behind success. If having a big dick, or having the ability to attract the opposite sex is something that builds confidence quickly, I'd rather my child not have a body issue handicap

 

[a1149]

I am currently listening to a npr program about egg donation. This caused a weird thought in my head. If you were looking for a sperm donor would you want to know his cock size? Not for you of course, but if you had a son would you want him to be hung?

Absolutely. I would want to know as much as I could about the donor in all areas. I don't think there is anything creepy about it. If I was married to a man with a small 4" penis, I would fear our son would have a small penis as well. I think its natural to think of what traits will come from the mother and father. Yes, I'd want my son to be hung.

 

[sbat]

The choices made with respect to physical appearance are generally done so that the child's appearance would be more likely to fall into the spectrum where people who didn't know might view him/her as the biological offspring of the parent raising him/her.

For most parents, what you want most for your children to be happy and healthy. Considering the value that most guys put on having big dicks, I don't think it at all unusual for guys to hope their sons are well endowed because they think their sons would be happier in life that way. I can say it wouldn't be a consideration for me if I had to use a sperm donor, but I don't think it strays into pedophilia if some guy's thinking about it. They just have a notion, possibly a misguided one (but possibly not), that their son would be happier that way.

I don't think women put the value on it that men do and most would rightly scream at you "WTF are you talking about you pervert!!" when you run this thought by them. Putting this question in women's issues was a dumb move

Girls with big breasts are a different story, because as much as guys may like them, they're just as likely to cause unhappiness for the girl herself. A lot of early bloomers I knew got teased & picked on mercilessly by other girls growing up. They can cause back issues, and I know more then a handful of women who've had their breasts reduced surgically because of it.

Agreed. My female equivalent would be body shape, rather than breast size. Particularly hourglass.

Having dated a girl a few years older than me, in her 20's, and having a younger sister, I'm beginning to appreciate the importance, for a woman, of the ability to attract men when she reaches the age of desiring marriage. It's much better to have options you'll have to discard than feel that you need to settle for lack of legitimate candidates.

I would rather my daughter (or sister) be viewed as desireable by a majority of the men that see her. That way, as long as I instill good judgement in her, that's at least one less difficulty she has if she turns out to be straight and wants to have children.

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

Maybe not tits, but what about body shape? If I'm receiving a donated egg, I'm going to want to make sure my kid starts off on the right foot health-wise - as few burdensome susceptibilities and predispositions as possible. And yes, if I had a son, I'd want him to have a big dick. Look, there are so many things in society capable of destroying one's confidence - which is the number one factor behind success. If having a big dick, or having the ability to attract the opposite sex is something that builds confidence quickly, I'd rather my child not have a body issue handicap

I have to ask, are you a parent? That commentary sounds way too much like someone who is not a parent or who isnt trying to become a parent.

I've never heard my friends infertile or otherwise mention up the traits or worries that you've described. But then again obese people aren't the ones going into sperm donation clinics with sought after sperm are they? Usually its someone who knows they have sought after, desirable traits and want to capitalize on that.

You, goodlooking or not, are more likely to carry the genetic suseptability of cardio-vascular disease and early death as a man to your sons than you are likely to carry other traits that would ruin his life or self esteem. There are BIGGER fish to fry.

 

[sbat]

What you are describing may make some feel uncomfortable.

Trying to involve yourself in your children's sex lives, in whatever way, is creepy.

To you.

No need to project your values onto others.

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

Sbat, so far out of 4 pages on a sex site about cocks, you are one of TWO people who agree with the original poster. No need to project your values on the majority.

 

[sbat]

I have to ask, are you a parent? That commentary sounds way too much like someone who is not a parent or who isnt trying to become a parent.

I've never heard my friends infertile or otherwise mention up the traits or worries that you've described. But then again obese people aren't the ones going into sperm donation clinics with sought after sperm are they? Usually its someone who knows they have sought after, desirable traits and want to capitalize on that.

I'm not a parent. The women/girls I've dated have to a tee thrown the "m" word around me because I'm good with kids, am stable, affectionate, and am very supporting of their independence - so I've often thought about parenthood, though I feel that I'm too young now.

These thoughts that I have about child preference come from having two parents who have deep biology backgrounds, particularly a mother who is obsessed with ensuring that her children express "successful behaviors." Being a software engineer, I'm simply a more methodical version of her, even at a subconscious level.

In any case, I've never been a "spray and pray" type of person, in anything I do. Every girl that I've dated has been high IQ/highly educated, tiny waist-wide hips, family history of athleticism, very positive relationship with her parents, a brother ~5-6 years older, and a different ethnicity. This has been completely uncalculated and coincidental on my part. Probably, there is a certain specific way that a person with those characteristics will behave, and I'm very attuned/attracted to that.

But I think it's also fair, since your kid doesn't have a choice about being conceived and coming into this world, to give them as few handicaps as possible. That goes beyond genetic health. The parents are also behavioral models for their children - parents who show little discipline, self-confidence, self-awareness, etc, will pass on those deficiencies to their kids, who will have to overcome them with the help of whom? Their (often) equally clueless peers? Celebrities? It's gotta be the parents.

 

[sbat]

Sbat, so far out of 4 pages on a sex site about cocks, you are one of TWO people who agree with the original poster. No need to project your values on the majority.

I'm just expressing my opinion, which was solicited by the OP.

I'm not telling anyone that their opinions are creepy or abnormal or wrong. THAT'S projecting.

 

[dolfette]

I'm just expressing my opinion, which was solicited by the OP.

I'm not telling anyone that their opinions are creepy or abnormal or wrong. THAT'S projecting.

some people hold the opinion that three year olds are fair game.

if i say they're creepy, am i projecting?

the old ''you're projecting'' psychobabble retort is old, tired and, more often than not, inapt.

 

[ManlyBanisters]

umm yes? Charlie and the chocolate factory is the remake.

Ah- yes, the first movie isn't called that, is it. Forgive my lack of movie geekiness. I'll try harder :no:

But, to counter - Burton's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is not remake of Stuart's Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, is it? It is a film version of the book and is, with the exception of the dentist father storyline, a lot closer to the book.

:nana: :wink:

I meant Willy Wonka silly!

You and I both knew that.

To you.

No need to project your values onto others.

Loads of people are creeped out by this - I'm not projecting. Though I will add to what I said - when I said getting involved in your kids' sex lives is creepy I meant from a quality point of view. I think it is very important for parents to ensure their children are fully aware of the facts of life and to teach children / young adults how to be responsible in terms of safety, health and contraception. Wanting a big cock for your unborn son does not fall into that category.

Sbat, so far out of 4 pages on a sex site about cocks, you are one of TWO people who agree with the original poster. No need to project your values on the majority.

:yup:

some people hold the opinion that three year olds are fair game.

if i say they're creepy, am i projecting?

the old ''you're projecting'' psychobabble retort is old, tired and, more often than not, inapt.

:yup:

 

[dolfette]

this hung stuff is even sillier when you consider the sad stories the hung guys here often tell...rejection, being used, injuring partners. it can cause far more heart break than being average does.

 

[sbat]

this hung stuff is even sillier when you consider the sad stories the hung guys here often tell...rejection, being used, injuring partners. it can cause far more heart break than being average does.

The same can be said for women who have "ideal" hip/waist measurements. My GF is subjected to a lot of passive aggressive behavior, especially from women in that 35-45 range who are losing their looks and girlish figure. I know several women who were so extraordinarily beautiful relative to their female peers that they were ostrasized out of jealousy.

Standing out in any aspect, be it physical or mental, is bound to cause heart break because it makes the average joes feel insecure. But regardless, my point is that I would rather my children be extraordinary (and more importantly, think/feel that they are extraordinary without the need for external validation/back patting) in as many ways as possible because those with extraordinary features tend to be more successful than average joes, and its often little things like great body shape or a big dick that allow a person to feel that way.

MB, I get your point about creepy. But what I just expressed above is not the same as expressing a preference for sex with children, and your analogy with some extreme preference was the type of absurd strawman reduction I'd expect on the Politics section. I really hope you can differentiate between a socially destructive preference and not-fully-developed thoughts about raising a child to be successful.

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

Dick size was never an issue in the least until some guy i had sex with either was very small or very large. I would wish neither on my child. I do find some thoughts about what you hope your children will or will not inherit actually reveals more about your own insecurities and not really what the world might see as normal.

There are plenty of 8 and 9 inchers here at lpsg who have more of an self image/personal penile complex issue about not being 10 inches. I'd just rather a guy be 6 inches and content with what he has over a guy who is nearly pulling his dick off every night trying to squeeze that last inch on the ruler everytime they measure.

It's sad to have any kind of insecurities. I wouldn't want my daughter to have a flabby tummy like i do, i hope she doesnt. But these things NEVER crossed my mind as i was trying to conceive her or even pregnant with her. You think things like "I hope she has pretty fingernails like my Mom. Or her Daddy's blue eyes" or if you have a terrible disfiguring birth defect you'd hope that didn't get carried on.

After doing this Mom thing for over 8 years now. I can tell you that we've chose not to have any more children as to not pass down the autism gene/possibility to our next child. It could be much more severe the next time around. These are the important things in the mind of a true parent. All the things you think about when you are sipping margaritas next to the pool when your mind wanders into the future and your progeny are way way different than the ones you actually worry about or hope for when your with child or your partner is pregnant.

Guys would place a much larger emphasis on a large dick on their sons versus the ladies. I think had he asked this on the Sex with a Big Dick forum he would have had a million "YES" answers from the guys and no women saying "You are a sick bastard"

This is the womens forum, keep in mind you are asking a lot of women who have had children and been pregnant.

 

[sbat]

After doing this Mom thing for over 8 years now. I can tell you that we've chose not to have any more children as to not pass down the autism gene/possibility to our next child. It could be much more severe the next time around. These are the important things in the mind of a true parent.

MR, I'm with you here. Ignore the semi-absurdity of the big dick scenario, and what you expressed as quoted above is a part of what I was trying to convey. Basically, my position is that kids don't have a choice in being born, and we burden them with our genetic baggage. So, to be fair to them and to give them the greatest chance of success, why not do everything possible to give them successful traits? If it requires more thought when choosing a mate than "Oh, I love this woman so much, I wanna have babies with her!" that's my burden as a good parent.

 

[dolfette]

guys, imagine if i asked whether you'd only consider breeding with a woman who had a tight snatch, to increase the chances of your daughter having a desirable cunt.

honestly, is that something that would ever cross your mind???

 

[GogMegog]

BTW, I read about the egg donation, first time.

 

[petite]

guys, imagine if i asked whether you'd only consider breeding with a woman who had a tight snatch, to increase the chances of your daughter having a desirable cunt.

honestly, is that something that would ever cross your mind???

This is more along the lines of what I found creepy.


Some it is also how much I've eroticized TheBoyfriend's penis, which is sort of the same idea but much more specific when regarding his son, which makes it uncomfortable for me to imagine his sexy penis in what should be an innocent and non-sexual context.

 

[B_Craiggers]

guys, imagine if i asked whether you'd only consider breeding with a woman who had a tight snatch, to increase the chances of your daughter having a desirable cunt.

honestly, is that something that would ever cross your mind???

You've got another person in the equation which isn't exactly analagous to the original question (which was about sperm/egg donation). He wasn't asking if women would choose their husband on the basis of how likely they were to father a son with a big cock.

He was asking, if the opportunity were provided, and you're sitting down with some list of vital statistics (hair color, eye color, skin tone, height, IQ, salary, etc) all of which are given some consideration by people in choosing a donor, would you want penis size on that list if it were available, and if so, would you lean towards a larger penis in hopes that your son would pick that up.

I mentioned it earlier, but women don't put the value on having a large cock that men do. I don't think this reflects creepiness on the part of the original poster, so much as a lack of understanding about women.

Even the women here who have a strong preference for big cocks aren't putting value judgements on it. They're not saying that the guy with the big cock is better or better off than the guy with an average one. They're saying that for them specifically, a big one fits better. I don't think they're going to be giving that any consideration with respect to their children because their children most certainly aren't in the pool of guys they're gonna sleep with.

Currently one of the statistics they include on donation forms is height. While I'm admittedly not informed enough on sperm donation to say this with any degree of accuracy, I would bet money that everyone who gives consideration to the donor's height, they are choosing someone who is at least a little bit taller than themselves. Not necessarily a drastic difference, but I would bet hard money that they're tacking on a few extra inches. Men and women both attach some value to height where "more is better".

The guys are looking at the penis size thing from some competetive angle. That if their son has a big cock, he's going to be able to better compete with other men. They'll feel that a woman, even if she has trouble taking a hung guy, would be more likely to stick around and find other solutions to the problem than a woman would with a guy who was small. They'll feel that their son would have more self confidence and higher self esteem if he was on the bigger side than if he was on the smaller.

Yes it stems from a lot of male insecurities, but it's insecurities that are outside the realm of pedophilia. That's why I'm saying it's not really "creepy", it's just in the wrong forum.

For me personally, it's certainly not information I would ask for. Nor is it information that I think is strikingly absent from current forms. But in the terms of some hypothetical question about if the donor forms were placed in front of me and penis size was listed on there, if I'm to be really honest, yeah, I might give it some consideration.