Spill, baby spill: Experts fear the spill could spread to East Coast

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    Experts fear the spill could spread to East Coast


    The Associated Press
    By BRIAN SKOLOFF
    May 1st, 2010 - 7 hours ago



    Full article... The Associated Press: Gulf oil spill swiftly balloons, could move east
     
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    The FL state government was informed today that they should expect the FL panhandle to get hit within 3 days, and the west coast of the FL peninsula in about 7-10 days (the only thing making it take that long is the unseasonable southerly winds we've had recently)... So, if you live in Florida and want one last look at our beaches before they get destroyed for the rest of our lifetimes, then I suggest you take some time off work this week and go enjoy them while you can.

    Oh, and if you thought Florida's real estate market was shit before, give it about 3 months...
     
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    The latest estimate of the size of the spill...

    Gulf oil spill: approaching size of Exxon Valdez | Los Angeles Times

     
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    yeah...and just absolve the 4th largest company in the world, British Petroleum, who actually owns and operates the rig.

    and just absolve Transoceanic as well.

    Whistleblower: BP Risks More Massive Catastrophes in Gulf : Veterans Today

    Document: BP didn't plan for major oil spill - Yahoo! News


    everything that goes wrong in the world is the fault of Halliburton. where is that rolleyes smiley?

    yeah...crucify all 52,000 people who work for Halliburtion who are just earning a living, and not just crack the whip on the corporation.

    no hysterical over-reaction or anything.

    and none of this would be necessary if successive administrations would build nuclear fucking power plants.

    nice that Obama supports offshore drilling as well...big fucking change.

    spend a trillion dollars on useless stimulus, and none of it going to build one single nuclear power plant...

    nuclear plants = bad
    enormous offshore drilling disasters = good

    great plan obama...pretty similar to the republicans.

    all these people are the same.
     
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    Wow, the Crusader for the defense of Halliburton's virtue!

    What an amazing bit of toolery. I'm truly baffled as to from whence the massive measure of your hubris is derived.

    Don't bother with one of those long-winded rants that you think are so wowzie. They bore the shit out of all us who aren't sycophantically beholden to your umpteen porn "compilations" (a.k.a. clips you gathered together in your room in between your mom bringing you snacks from downstairs).

    Once again, I laugh in your faux "independent" face.


     
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    For the love of God, go troll someone else's thread!
     
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    and once again, i say fuck off and stick your own toolery up your ass

    Halliburton has done plenty wrong, but last time i checked, this was not the fault of merely one company, and last time i checked, you certainly have used plenty of things produced by halliburton....and your dislike of them has not stopped you from using things they produce, now has it, hypocrite?

    you are on your computer now, yes? what do you think powers the energy grid in some places? what do you pour into your car to get you around? what fuels the plane when you go somewhere?

    yes, genius, it is oil...and Halliburtion provides energy field services and products.

    so fuck off...Halliburton helps make sure hypocrites like you have plenty of resources to live in modern life, so spare me the whole Halliburton as completely evil and 52,000 people should be "Crucified"

    ah yes...energy field services and resources....the true evil.

    why don't you go live in a forest like a gnome, with not electricity and ride a bike, and don't use a computer, and live off the grid completely, because if you don't you are simply a fucking hypocrite...shocker there.

    save your breath, asshole

    there is nothing virtuous about Halliburton, nor am i a defender of it....i am also not one of the absurd folks like you who construes complete evil out of a corporation that is doing its job. when it fucks up, it needs to be punished, but you are not one to talk while you enjoy the luxuries they help provide you foolish twerp.

    i am truly baffled as to where you claim legion over stating such an absurdly desperate attempt to seem intellectual:
    "I'm truly baffled as to from whence the massive measure of your hubris is derived."

    while ignoring the fact that you support them, just like everyone else. Talk about hubris indeed...it must be so cool being a person who does not use oil...but we all know how special you are....you don't need oil...or gas, electricity, flight, public transport...you are special.

    no hubris there "as to from whence" ? Really...nice attempt at sophisticated appearance, when you ignore that you are just as much a part of the problem as they are.

    call me as to from whence you hither decide to not fill up your car, and stick it up your ass you prick.

    as for my "faux independent face", i think it is amusing that you still are so desperate to play that card...so many republicans are for legalizing marijuana and gay marriage and repealing of don't ask don't tell, anbd being *COMPELTELY* against offshore drilling.

    i am completely independent...i do not buy the shit you shovel anymore than i do that of the republicans...independent does not mean right or left...it means not republican or democrat...and it means not being beholden to any one ideology.

    maybe you should rethink your incorrect "fax-independent" insult.

    the fact is, i am wedded to the center, the right, or to the left, based on the issue at hand, unlike you, who is an absolutely dogmatic leftist, just like Trinity on the opposite side.

    you are pathetic....and i am still independent....you are not.


    so go fuck yourself you lying hypocrite.

    as to your usual despicable attacks:
    As to your umpteen porn "compilations" (a.k.a. clips you gathered together in your room in between your mom bringing you snacks from downstairs)

    i find it amusing that you quote compilations, when no quote is necessary. a compilation is self-explanatory...what else would they be comprised of, other than clips, made into a compilation, genius?

    and by the way, they were not compiled in my room, since i do not have a computer in my bedroom...my home computer resides in my home office/study, and my mom has never brought snacks, since she cannot cook and is a health nut who does not believe in snacking...unlike those happy memories you likely carry around of that bitch that shat you out.

    once again, go fuck yourself.
     
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    oh, i see...so this is *YOUR* thread, and providing an opposite view is "trolling"?

    well let me tell you something, genius...you put a political bent on this thread, using the colossally idiotic Sarah Palin's reference to "Drill Baby Drill" as a cute little play on words with "Spill Baby Spill"...as if that stupid bitch has now proven to be any worse.

    you, and Silver Train, like her, and like Obama, are nothing more than pathetic ideologues

    you used the right wing mantra in this thread with regards to off-shore drilling, their plans, i am completely opposed to...yet it is rather cute


    trolling? yeah...right. You started a thread, with a political slant, about oil drilling.


    well guess what, the President of the United States at the moment completely fucked environmentalists like myself over with his super plans for offshore drilling. he is just as big of a prick as Palin on this. They are nearly the same.

    you might want to check out this campaign promise from Obama in March 2008

    "Obama: I don’t take money from oil companies or Washington lobbyists, and I won’t let them block change anymore. "


    yeah, what a fucking hero....he sure turned on that change pretty fast...he;d look good going out on a dingy with Palin and they could both laugh at oil covered seabirds together while they talked about him not letting the oil companies "block change"

    i guess when you take nearly a quarter of a million from the oil industry for your campaign, it is easy to appear no different then the people who you claim to be blocking change.


    take your medicine...facts are facts.

    just because you cannot handle them, don't start crying...

    oh...are you going to claim "P.W.B." now, as you did in the other thread?

    talk about trolling


    get used to it...Obama hopped in bed with big oil pretty quickly...just like Palin and the rest of them.

    I guess that $71,000 Obama took in campaign contributions from numerous folks connected to British Petroleum is making him look *REALLY* good now...in fact, he looks remarkably like that stupid chick from Alaska everyone around here ridicules for her obvious stupidity...i never thought Obama would turn out to be her environmental fraternal twin

    how pathetic.

    don't you even *DARE* to try to separate him from anyone on this issue. he, like Palin, the republicans, and numerous democrats, are *COVERED* in oil slick money.


    but keep on going trying to deny the obvious....you and the rest of the hypocrites.



    trolling?

    Indeed...

    let's hear you answer the *FACTS* about the reality of the situation...then, we will discuss "trolling".
     
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    ^Oh I see, in case it wasn't clear that you're only in this thread to troll it, you've double down to make damn sure nobody is confused about your nefarious intentions.
     
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    Why is the damn valve stuck open?

    It's sad I'm sure there will be a lawsuit, or 50 , and in 20years the company or companies responsible will pay a pittance.

    Our transportation is fueled by petroleum, so nukes wouldn't help.
    Nukes make electricity. (The $100,000 all-electric Tesla Roadster isn't an option for many) :tongue:

    And please don't say nuke+water+electrolysis=hydrogen



    Even with massive loan guarantees new nuclear plants are still facing cost overruns, or overly optimistic low ball estimates (scandal), even before being built. The furthest along to being built are 2 new Texas nuclear plants which were to be $10B. But turns out that it's actually more in the $12-14B.
    Nuclear cost estimate rises by as much as $4 billion
    Settlement ends battle over nuclear plant expansion | Business | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
    Currently there are $18.5B in loan guarantees. The Senate version of the 2009 Stimulus bill had $50B in loan guarantees, but was taken out in conference. It does have $6B to clean up nuclear waste though.

    The latest and greatest design, Generation III+, the European Pressurized Reactor, being built in Finland is 3.5yrs behind schedule and 50% over budget.

    The nuclear waste, or nuclear ash if u will, problem needs to be solved before new plants should be built. There is only so much dry casket above ground storage space at nuclear plants. The Yucca Mountain Repository has been basically cancelled.

    And with all of that said I still believe nuclear has a future place in the energy production profile of most western countries.
     
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    Let's see if we can get back to the actual topic...


    As oil blob triples in size, Florida fears nightmare

    Favorable weather gave Florida's Panhandle a reprieve, but it's likely brief as coastal communities braced for a potential onslaught of black ooze.


    The Miami Herald
    May 2nd, 2010
    BY AUDRA D.S. BURCH, JOSEPH GOODMAN AND CURTIS MORGAN
    cmorgan@MiamiHerald.com


    Read more at...
    As oil blob triples in size, Florida fears nightmare - MiamiHerald.com
     
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    I personally hope the Gov't of my state (AL) along with every other state Gov't that is being effected by this oil spill sues the holy fuck out of BP/Halliburtin/whoever else is involved. Those assholes on that rig (which had some major infractions from inspectors) have essentually destroyed the Northern Gulf Coast, cost the jobs of 10's of thousands of jobs related to tourism and fishing (along with the companies that are affiliated in said industries), cost the state, federal, and taxpayers untold sums of money, and will help further crumble the weakened housing market in the above region.

    Boo-fuckin who if Halliburtin gets sued and goes under. Same goes for BP. They were wreckless in their venture to exploit the earth (and more importantly make vast sums of money:rolleyes:), so deserve to get whats coming to them.

    I'm sick and tired of corporate America/Europe/Asia shitting on the people. Now, due to their incompetence and lack of care for the well-being of their employees and for the environment, they have taken a huge, steaming, disasterous shit on the United States and its surrounding waters!
     
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    I'm betting it was some young inexperienced engineer and his computer some where in the process who did not know what the fuck he was doing that caused it. That being said there are hundreds of wells drilled off shore every year without problems.
     
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    ^And like how it goes with many things in life, all it takes is royal fuck up to ruin the whole operation.
     
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    Whether he has, or hasn't, talltpaguy has a right to post threads within this forum, just as you have posted threads with a "political slant" in the past. BTW the thread title, coincidentally, came from my post: 91


    As you defended Halliburton, and knowing your post history, I don't view you as an environmentalist - but a pragmatist. You disparaged Obama for endorsing a plan for some new offshore oil drilling, yet share his pragmatic approach to energy issues - i.e. oil now and the simultaneous effort to increase and develop alternate supplies of energy, nuclear included, in hope of someday eliminating U.S. dependence on fossil fuels:


    April ,2010
    Obama opens new areas for offshore drilling

    "Drilling alone can't come close to meeting our long-term energy needs, and for the sake of our planet and our energy independence, we need to begin the transition to cleaner fuels now. I know that we can come together to pass comprehensive energy and climate legislation that's going to foster new energy — new industries, create millions of new jobs, protect our planet, and help us become more energy independent."


    Feb 15, 2010
    Obama Says Safe Nuclear Power Plants are a Necessary Investment - Political Punch


    President Obama today said that safe, new nuclear power plants are a "necessity" as he announced more than $8 billion in federal loan guarantees to build the first nuclear power plant in three decades...

    Mr. Obama’s announced plans to break ground on two new nuclear reactors at a Southern Company plant in Burke, Georgia – which he said will create thousands of construction jobs in the next year – with 800 permanent, well-paying jobs in years to come.

    “And this is only the beginning,” he promised, referencing his budget tripling loan guarantees to finance nuclear facilities across America which would spur more job creation.
     
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    If it's Haliburton's rig, then they need to pitch in and clean this up.
    It's no different than any other business owner that has a chemical spill of sorts.

    The issue is, when there's big money and power involved (i.e. Oil) many issues that arise are overlooked - to keep pumping for profit.

    They should be fined for the entire cleanup effort. If you think about it..It's probably a day or two's profits.
    Make them pay to clean it up - stat.
     
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    I'm sorry, but I continue to be absolutely baffled by the hatred shown toward big oil. Yes, it's an industry that has, by and large, not done it's part in the past to find paths toward safer production, lower costs, and alternative sources of energy. However, I'd like anyone to name me a company that serves as an example of these traits. I can't name one. The fact of the matter is that we are a society built solely on the availability of cheap oil. We drive long distances to work from suburbs into downtowns, we have spead out across vast tracts of land, we have strip malls and interstate highways and virtually no method of public transport outside of major cities. Like it or not, we've made this decision for ourselves, and we continue to make it each and every time we support any company that uses plastic in it's products, or any of the other countless derivative chemicals that come from oil production, including gas that powers the big cars we love.

    The spill in the Gulf is a disaster. It's ramifications will be felt for many years to come. Whoever is responsible should be liable for the damage. But until a formal investigation is completed revealing the cause of this spill, fault can't be placed anywhere. Furthermore, if you ask me, there's not a person in this country that can't be forced to take a little of this responsibility on themselves. I know I surely can't. I drive a car. I buy gas. Oil has to be produced to get gas. Oil production is a dangerous business, and part of this lurking danger is a spill like the one currently threatening the ecosystem in the gulf. We all know that this is a risk. And yet we continue to demand the fix for our oil addiction. All of us do. No one is exempt.

    I just don't think allowing the two of the biggest corporations in the world to go under because of law suits is the answer. No do I think the answer is a ban on offshore drilling. We are simply too entrenched in our need for oil. Imagine if something were to happen in the East, say the Bosporus were closed because of some accident. The last time I checked, roughly 10% of the worlds oil passes through this trade route. Say it takes a week to reopen it, and probably a month to get production back to normal. Prices would skyrocket to $150, $160, maybe $200 a barrell, who knows? How long do you think the American people could sustain paying $8, $9, $10 a gallon for gas? This alone would be enough to completely halt world markets. The fragile recovery that we are in would stop. I say all of this to make the point that simply stopping the develpment of our own oil fields isn't an option right now. The best we can hope for is the safest possible production, and the willingness to find other ways to get us around. Energy is a dangerous business.

    We have no one to blame for this need but ourselves, because WE built our society. And, like it or not, the Haliburtons, BPs, and Exxon/Mobiles are a part of our society.
     
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    You seriously don't understand why so many hate big oil? SERIOUSLY? Given the fact that our society is so damned dependant on oil, we have allowed the oil companies to essentually control every aspect of our lives. The fact that you are taking up for big oil disturbs me (though it makes sense seeing that you are from a state who draws vast revenue from oil).

    It pisses me off that people, such as yourself, seemingly place more value on commerce than the earth that we live on. I'm not some hippie environmentalist but I have enough sense to know that once we destroy what we have, thats it.
     
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