Steve Irwin; What a crock!

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roedhunt: "CROCODILE hunter Steve Irwin deserved a medal for promoting Australia's interests overseas and the media should stop demonising him", NSW Premier Bob Carr said yesterday.

Mr Irwin, a star in America, sparked international outrage last week when footage was released of him feeding a 4m crocodile while holding his month-old son Bob.
Mr Carr said Mr Irwin made a mistake but it was time for the media to stop pursuing him.

He said Mr Irwin had been under intense pressure and was confused like a crocodile caught in the lights when he said he would do it again.

Per CNN:
The acting premier of Queensland state, Terry Mackenroth, said Saturday Irwin would not face charges after the Department of Families contacted Irwin and his wife Terri.

"They (the Irwins) claim that the child was not in danger. They understand people's concerns and have assured Children's Services that it won't happen again," Mackenroth told the Australian ABC radio service.

Per BBC News:
The state's Families' Department confirmed it was seeking unedited copies of the tape from the Irwin family to assess whether workplace health and safety regulations were breached.

Mr Irwin said he had a tape from the zoo which showed his son was not in danger.

"[This] will give you another angle so all that ugly stacked-up vision of me looking like I endangered my child will be put to bed very quickly," he said.
 
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roedhunt: Oh, one other thing.....

As far as being in control of a car... How many drive while on a cell phone? How can you predict how another driver (especially one thats drunk) will drive? How can you control a cars breakdown/flat/no brakes?

Children are exposed to dangers everywhere. Down south, scorpions are everywhere..even in backyards. In the southwest, snakes run wild.

And even in your own home. How many have dogs as pets? Oh, wait--but dogs are DOMESTICATED, right? Of course they are!! Then please explain to me why there are FAR MORE attacks of this nature, of children mauled, maimed and yes, even KILLED by dogs? The family's dog, the stray running about than there have been by crocodiles, whether in the wild (swamps or other areas) or in a controlled environment such as the Australia Zoo?

Dogs are unpredictable, too. Even the most loyal pet can suddenly decide he/she doesn't like the child tugging its ears or fur--or will see the child as PREY--dogs DO still have instincts and hunting is among them. Dogs can also jump, dart and dodge a HECK of a lot faster than a croc up on its hind legs..crocs CANNOT leap when they are already fully extended upward--they can only fall.

How would we like it if the outside world wanted to tell us how to raise our children. Life is dangerous, you just can't get around it. You really shouldn't have your children in the kitchen because things get hot in there. A child can easily drown in a bathroom, but shall we ban running water? I'm not familiar with Australian laws, but we in the States are very used to being protected from ourselves - I guess it is because of this that some of us feel entitled to tell others how to live their lives.

After all this fervor I figure that midget football, pee-wee baseball, and mini-bikes will be banned by February. The EasyBake ovens will be next.
 
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jerkin4-10: sorry...but dogs and alligators are different...certainly dogs do turn on people from time to time...but gators/crocs live in that world...they have to hunt their food...this world is a dangerous place..yep it is...but you make my point for me...its dangerous enough without putting your month old child in danger of being mauled/lunch from a gator...i like steve irwin myself...i think hes funny and skilled...BUT until this time hes only put HIMSELF at risk...we need to review here...look at roy horn...been doing this stuff for years and one slip...hes tiger meat...i dont care if the man is a trained wild animal expert...im a trained PARENT...and what he did was unacceptable...PERIOD...and GIG...crocs just bite people...not eat them...dude...are you taking meds or something...watch croc dundee 1...theres an explanation for that...ill let mick dundee explain that one to ya...and i doubt seriously whether a 1 month old baby would survive a BITE...and 'LAY OFF MICHEAL'...he started it by calling us internet yokels...so whatever you think buckwheat...but believe me...YOU aint tellin ME ANYTHING...k?
 

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If my post has invoked any hostile replies, I'm sorry, but this particular topic is one I'm really emphatic about. Not a parent yet, but a brother, cousin, nephew, and uncle, I take interest in this because I just find it wrong. PERIOD.

To the point of "Laying off Michael" GIGS, he was the one who started with the unnecessary name calling of "yokel" at me & Jerkin, so I will neither lay off or on him.

I just wanted people to realize how wrong the whole thing was, all right??
 
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Tender: no one can control a crocodile or anticipate its moves. lol its a WILD animal no matter how attatched the human is to it.
every year babies are killed or scarred by house DOGS IE PETS, let along what a WILD animal could do.
suppose the croc not being around babies before decided he was jealous of it, or scared of it, or thought it was something to eat? what if the baby had started crying, and that alarmed the croc? the baby could have spit up, attracting the croc as well....by an unfamiliar scent...

lets see not very long ago there was a guy who was an 'expert' with tigers.... got badly bitten at a show... cant remember his name.... anyway so much for being able to 'anticipate' a WILD animals every move lol!


as for cars ect, no one has any choice really in that regard. we all use cars everyday and such, so that is a risk that cannot be reasonably avoided. no one HAS to put a baby within reach of a croc.
driving while on the phone, eating a full course meal, reading, putting on makeup, or when driving conditions are dangerous, IS something that almost always can be controlled.
bottom line is IT WAS STUPID. and i cant believe the mother was dumb enough to let it happen. translates 'over my dead body!'

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mindseye: [quote author=Tender link=board=99;num=1073321472;start=20#24 date=01/08/04 at 10:49:57]as for cars ect, no one has any choice really in that regard. we all use cars everyday and such, so that is a risk that cannot be reasonably avoided. [/quote]

This is a culturally biased assumption. Outside of the USA, it's far more common to find car-free households. Not using a car requires a little creativity, planning, and resourcefulness, but it is possible. I've been car-free since 1992. There are car-free and car-lite networks across the country.

A lot of people think that their circumstances -- where they live, how many children they have, etc. -- force them to own a car, but that assumption is generally unwarranted.

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Tender: [soapbox]

i suppose it is a culturally waranted thing for babies to be dangled over a crocs head if you live in austraia, mate!
::)

Tender
 
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jerkin4-10: :D :D @ tender...would ya like a little catsup with the kid there matey?....mindseye...congrats on being car-free...its a cool thing, i guess...there are tons of people in the US that dont have cars...but not many because its a choice they have made...more of an either economic deal [they cant afford one] or they live in close proximity to everything they need and a car would be duncil [anyone...you win a prize if you can tell me what famous tv series that word comes from]...we are just on opposite sides of the fence here man...and thats ok...i'd hate it if everyone in the world was like me... :)
 

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[quote author=jerkin4-10 link=board=99;num=1073321472;start=20#27 date=01/08/04 at 12:51:40] :D :D @ tender...would ya like a little catsup with the kid there matey?:)[/quote]

Gives new meaning to "Throw another shrimp on the barbie!
 
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mindseye: [quote author=jerkin4-10 link=board=99;num=1073321472;start=20#27 date=01/08/04 at 12:51:40] or they live in close proximity to everything they need and a car would be duncil [anyone...you win a prize if you can tell me what famous tv series that word comes from][/quote]

Heh. Is the prize big enough to be worth admitting how much of a geek I am that I even know the episode from the series? ;)
 
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jerkin4-10: !!!EXCELLENT JOB!!!!...mindseye has proved hes as big of a geek as me!...LMAO...thats exactly right...nice one... :)
 
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gigantikok: [quote author=jerkin4-10 link=board=99;num=1073321472;start=20#22 date=01/08/04 at 05:38:18]sorry...but dogs and alligators are different...certainly dogs do turn on people from time to time...but gators/crocs live in that world...they have to hunt their food...this world is a dangerous place..yep it is...but you make my point for me...its dangerous enough without putting your month old child in danger of being mauled/lunch from a gator...i like steve irwin myself...i think hes funny and skilled...BUT until this time hes only put HIMSELF at risk...we need to review here...look at roy horn...been doing this stuff for years and one slip...hes tiger meat...i dont care if the man is a trained wild animal expert...im a trained PARENT...and what he did was unacceptable...PERIOD...and GIG...crocs just bite people...not eat them...dude...are you taking meds or something...watch croc dundee 1...theres an explanation for that...ill let mick dundee explain that one to ya...and i doubt seriously whether a 1 month old baby would survive a BITE...and 'LAY OFF MICHEAL'...he started it by calling us internet yokels...so whatever you think buckwheat...but believe me...YOU aint tellin ME ANYTHING...k?[/quote]
Again, I repeat, you don't know shit about crocodiles, so don't begin to sit there and lecture me on them. You are using references to Crocodile Dundee to educate me?!? JESUS DUDE, That's a FUCKING MOVIE! A MOVIE! Not a documentary. Get a grip on reality.

And Tender, he wasn't dangling his baby over the crocodile, he was simply holding the baby in his arm away from the crocodile. The man was in control, and would have been attacked and taken the damage far before the crocodile ever got to the baby. Again, I repeat he was in control of the situation.

You spend so much time differentiating dogs from crocodiles? Well tigers are DIFFERENT FROM CROCODILES TOO. Come from completely different regions, have completely different habits, etc. SO stop using this Roy Horn guy to prove a point, it was a completely different circumstance. Point is children are in danger every minute of their lives, maybe what Steve Irwin did wasn't smart but it is not fair for you and the media to be hanging this guy out to dry and so harshly attacking him. Another instance where the media completely blows something out of proportion and people follow along like stooges.

P.S- When I said "Lay off Michael", I meant Michael Jackson!
 
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roedhunt: Pretty close to what I was going to say...

Roy Is not a professional naturalist. He is an entertainer who trains tigers to go against their true wild instincts. Steve Irwin has been around crocs all of his life. He watches how they respond and behave NATURALLY. He does not make them go against their nature. He respects crocs and all wildlife, and tries to teach the world the same. He would never would have done that if he thought for one minute him or Bob was in danger. He trusted his knowledge, his instincts and the croc. So did Terry. So did the crewmen. So did the zoo. And by the reports from the Premier, police, and child welfare office they did too, otherwise he would have been charged with recklessness.

And aside from all that, the other footage shot from a different angle, clearly shows the distance between them was further than believed.
 
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jerkin4-10: what a couple of JACKASSES...you two dipshits deserve each other...the thing in croc dundee is...crocs dont like fresh meat...they take you down for a death roll...then jamb you under a log or something...tender you up a bit for later...which is totally the truth...yeah its in a movie...but it doesnt stop it from being the truth...anyone that THINKS HES 'in control of a situation' with a wild animal...has NEVER been in the damn woods...much less a croc pit...the thing about the tigers...damn GIG...i thought you to be smarter...the thing that they have in common here is...they are both WILD animals...not domesticated animals...just grab a webster for me and look up 'wild' as it pertains to animals...then, look up 'domesticated'...GIG...i cant believe your defending this guys actions...your obviously not a parent...or you would be as horrified as i and most of the world is...i saw steve irwins initial response and it made no sense either...talking about living in a zoo...and wanting the kid to see whats in the backyard...well...theres ways of doing that without putting your childs life in danger...period...steve irwin...you want to jump in the croc pit...handle snakes...chase hippos...power to ya...ill keep watching... but DONT do dumb stuff with your kids...

and PS...MJ deserves what he gets...even if he didnt bang those kids...he shouldnt have put himself in that position, considering his previous negative encounters...
kinda like mike tyson and taking goofy strange chicks to his hotel...btw...ive met mike tyson at a strip club here in phx...he isnt  the maniac you see on the interviews
 
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roedhunt: [quote author=jerkin4-10 link=board=99;num=1073321472;start=20#33 date=01/10/04 at 07:29:35]what a couple of JACKASSES...you two dipshits deserve each other...[/quote]

Wow... Never thought I'd be called that... Especially from a man... Ah well...

Nice thing about America.. Everyone has the freedom for their own of views without being slammed for it... ;D
 
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jerkin4-10: sorry dear...i was mad...please forgive me...the 2 comments just struck me wrong... :-[
 
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Tender: [quote author=gigantikok link=board=99;num=1073321472;start=20#31 date=01/10/04 at 02:29:56]

 Point is children are in danger every minute of their lives, maybe what Steve Irwin did wasn't smart but it is not fair for you and the media to be hanging this guy out to dry and so harshly attacking him.  Another instance where the media completely blows something out of proportion and people follow along like stooges.
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well then if they are always in danger, i shouldnt bother putting my kitchen knives out of reach. its just a hazard of living lol
i cant keep drunk drivers off the road, preventing accidents, but i CAN choose not to put my 30 day old baby within a few feet of a wild animal.
i would think it to be against instinct of a croc to eat a baby. lets toss the kid into the pool and then command the croc not to eat it :D
im sure he minds well..... Irwin would be in full control lol

no the media didnt FIRST blow it 'out of proportion'
VIEWERS ie common public, make calls complaining about it, the media FOLLOWED.

what is disturbing is that if a common person had did something similar they would have been in trouble. but since its 'you know who 'famous' he doesnt get in trouble for it.....kinda sounds like the other you know who....

Tender
 
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mindseye: [quote author=Tender link=board=99;num=1073321472;start=20#36 date=01/10/04 at 12:35:02]i cant keep drunk drivers off the road, preventing accidents, but i CAN choose not to put my 30 day old baby within a few feet of a wild animal.[/quote]

And you can choose never to travel with your baby. But you've made the choice that travelling with your baby is worth the risk, and you'd be justifiably unhappy if someone else took away that choice from you.

And why would it be wrong for someone else to make that choice for you? Because you're familiar with driving, you know how to respond to highway conditions, you're able to determine whether benefit of travelling with your child is worth those risks -- and you can make that determination yourself.

Yet you're willing to take away Steve Irwin's right as a parent to determine how best to educate his children about his profession, to determine at what age it's appropriate to begin exposing his children to the animals he works with, and to determine his own 'safety threshhold' for doing so. And you're willing to take away his parental rights even though you have far less expertise than he does with crocodiles. Frankly, I think that's shameful.

i would think it to be against instinct of a croc to eat a baby. lets toss the kid into the pool and then command the croc not to eat it :D

Why not put your baby in front of the car rather than inside it? You're obviously distorting the situation, and that weakens your credibility.

no the media didnt FIRST blow it 'out of proportion'
VIEWERS ie common public, make calls complaining about it, the media FOLLOWED.

Interestingly, a CNN poll in the US found that 40% of respondents supported Irwin and 60% opposed him; a similar poll conducted in Australia by ABC found 53% of respondents supported Irwin and 47% opposed him.

That's a really significant difference. Are you *sure* the media isn't wagging the dog on this?
 
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jerkin4-10: wonder if they polled 'parents'...a man and a woman who made love...created a baby...cared after and protected that baby for 9 months while it was in its mothers womb...father was in the delivery room and watched his child come out of his wife...held, loved and cherished that same child...THAT type of parent...poll THOSE people...not people who havent been through those experiences...im going to take a shot here...and say something...tell me if im wrong...GIG, MINDSEYE and ROEDHUNT arent parents...is that a correct statement..based on the above mentioned parameters? and IF you are NOT parents..you truly dont have all the information needed to make this type of statement...kinda like...how does it feel to win a world series?...i dont know...
 
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Tender: oh what i thought was so hilarious about it...
he claims he has to teach his kids to be croc savy.
ok. why?
:D
because theyre dangerous lol

btw how can you teach a 30 day old baby anything.
they can barely even hold their own head up.
all they do is suck down milk, cry and poop.
im sure Bob learned alot about crocs that day!

i think Irwin just flubbed up on the spur of the moment and did it. i doubt it was planned at all. and now hes thinking. hm. that wasnt too smart. but he cant admit it, so hes trying to defend it.... ::)

anyone with half reasonable common sense knows it was careless.
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