still don't know how any of you can vote...

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  1. Flashy

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    I do not and never have, from my first time voting at 18 years, 1 week. I vote for the individual, and occasionally, their stated policy stance.

    Curious as to what you think would lessen the corruption and what, if anything, you are/will do to implement the strategy?
     
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    This is where I quote Voltaire - the perfect is the enemy of the good...
     
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    Is that the entire quote?
    There's also Nietzsche. "Man is driven by instinct not reason", therefore, of any party, a politician's primary goal is self-preservation. :shrug:
     
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    Depends on what you call a quote. There's an entire book surrounding it.
     
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    I have little knowledge of Voltaire - not really relevant to my area of study - so, care to explicate or is it a stand alone kind of thing?
     
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    It's from La Begueule. Here's the surrounding text:

    Dans ses écrits, un sage Italien Dit que le mieux est l’ennemi du bien ;Non qu’on ne puisse augmenter en prudence, En bonté d’âme, en talents, en science ; Cherchons le mieux sur ces chapitres-là ; Partout ailleurs évitons la chimère.

    In some writings, a wise Italian said that the better is the enemy of the good; not that one cannot increase one's prudence, in good intentions in talents in science. Let's find the best on these chapters; in others let's avoid the fantasy.

    That's my shitty French. Basically, do the best you can but don't abandon the cause if you can't achieve perfection.
     
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    I believe that's the Cliff's Notes version of the founding documents of the USA.
     
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    Thank you! I enjoyed your shitty French. :smile:
    I have only studied Voltaire in regard to Locke, I think, perhaps more generally the Enlightenment and that was some time ago, with maybe a glance at Letters Concerning the English Nation. Now I am a bit curious.
     
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    When congress comes up with something good, this quote will actually be relevant.
     
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    I can't vouch for the pronunciation, but the translation's not shitty at all.

    Edited to add: I'm strictly Independent.
     
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    LIKE it or NOT that's the way the game is played ! I hate it but as long as we only have 2 parties that stand any chance of winning I will be damned if I waste my vote on another choice, nor will I refrain from voting cause If I DON'T VOTE I LOSE MY RIGHT TO BITCH about a damn thing that happens in my country !
    Btw there's far more happenings of this nature on the GOP side . The Dems may have a few bad apples but the level of corruption in the GOP far exceeds their counterparts !

    HH
     
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    Flashy, your anger is understandable and well-earned. Really, it is. but if we dont use our vote to carefully select the better candidate, we always will wind up with the most craven, selfish and self-serving dipwad in office. No matter what office; president, senator , governor, city council, county council, harbor commissiioner, whatever.
    Dont lose your sense of humor and dont stop posting. Happy Thanksgiving.
     
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    Vote for a third party.
     
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    or a write in candidate.
     
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    Three or more parties might be good. But don't forget the potential pitfalls. One can be legislative gridlock wherein nothing gets done (maybe not a bad thing eh?). It takes a willingness to compromise on the part for politicians and the public for it to work. Is politics in the US ready for that? The way everyone in the political class lies and screams these days I doubt it. Anyways, what makes you think a third party would be less corrupt or self-serving?

    You don't eliminate corruption or patronage with multiple parties, that's for sure. In British Columbia in 1990's we had an NDP government (third party, flaming socialist do-gooders), that was infamously corrupt. (Cabinet members funneling money from charity bingos into party coffers)

    I don't know if the structure of government in the US would be compatible with a more than two party system. I can't think of a time when was more than two major parties in Congress. Back in the days of the Whigs and Democrats or before then? I need to google this.
     
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