Stop-and-Frisk Practice Violated Rights, Judge Rules

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Finally!! Some really good news this Monday morning. The outrageous blatant racial profiling has to end.

In a repudiation of a major element in the Bloomberg administration’s crime-fighting legacy, a federal judge has found that the stop-and-frisk tactics of the New York Police Department violated the constitutional rights of tens of thousands of New Yorkers, and called for a federal monitor to oversee broad reforms.

In a decision issued on Monday, the judge, Shira A. Scheindlin, ruled that police officers have for years been systematically stopping innocent people in the street without any objective reason to suspect them of wrongdoing. Officers often frisked these people, usually young minority men, for weapons or searched their pockets for contraband, like drugs, before letting them go, according to the 195-page decision.


Stop-and-Frisk Practice Violated Rights, Judge Rules
 
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this is GREAT NEWS, indeed! i recently was made aware of this and was appalled that it was a legitimate practice. the video at this link made me aware and infuriated; glad to know there are some actual "justices" still on the benches in this tyrannical country. now, hopefully the lawsuits pour in and bankrupt those blue bastards.
 

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Wow! One on which we can agree. Left and right both united against unreasonable searches and seizures.

(But I disagree that the *law* was racially biased, though its implementation might have been)
 

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this is GREAT NEWS, indeed! i recently was made aware of this and was appalled that it was a legitimate practice. the video at this link made me aware and infuriated; glad to know there are some actual "justices" still on the benches in this tyrannical country. now, hopefully the lawsuits pour in and bankrupt those blue bastards.

Yeah..... bankrupt them..... and WHO do you think will pay for that, genius? Taxpayers & citizens who have to wait longer for police response due to budgetary cutbacks.
 

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It's laws like stop & frisk that make people automatically scream fuck the police. I read somewhere that black people made up 51% of the people frisked, & hispanics made up 32%. How in the hell does two MINORITY races in one of the most populated cities in America make up 83% of the crime? I'm not one to pull the race card frequently but holy shit there is something fishy going on. If it isn't racism it's definitely classism. I bet those cocksucker cops wouldn't stop & frisk the boatload of white colar criminals that flood Wall Street.

Fuck stop & frisk, fuck the police. Hope this law burns.
 

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Wow! One on which we can agree. Left and right both united against unreasonable searches and seizures.

(But I disagree that the *law* was racially biased, though its implementation might have been)
From what I understand, there is no law. Stop and frisk is a policy or a practice of the NYPD.
 

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I bet those cocksucker cops wouldn't stop & frisk the boatload of white collar criminals that flood Wall Street.

Frisk them for what? Carrying a concealed blackberry for trading? OK. Maybe they are carrying some blow for the hooker in the limo..

But I envision the policy was put into place as a response to where crimes were committed and who they were allegedly committed by. If crime spikes after the policy stops, what does everyone say then? Do the ends justify the means?
 

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It's laws like stop & frisk that make people automatically scream fuck the police. I read somewhere that black people made up 51% of the people frisked, & hispanics made up 32%. How in the hell does two MINORITY races in one of the most populated cities in America make up 83% of the crime? I'm not one to pull the race card frequently but holy shit there is something fishy going on. If it isn't racism it's definitely classism. I bet those cocksucker cops wouldn't stop & frisk the boatload of white colar criminals that flood Wall Street.

Fuck stop & frisk, fuck the police. Hope this law burns.
I think you need to read more crime statistics of various urban cities. Minorities, mainly blacks and latinos, often constitute the majority of crime in those areas with NY being no different -

NYPD statistics show 96 percent of shooting victims are black or Hispanic and that minority groups represent 89 percent of all murder victims - NY Daily News

"There are similar numbers for felony assaults — 81% of victims are minorities, as are 88% of the suspects.

"But there is a sharp disparity for robberies, with blacks described as suspects in 70% of the cases, while they are victims in 33% of the crimes.
 

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Frisk them for what? Carrying a concealed blackberry for trading? OK. Maybe they are carrying some blow for the hooker in the limo..

But I envision the policy was put into place as a response to where crimes were committed and who they were allegedly committed by. If crime spikes after the policy stops, what does everyone say then? Do the ends justify the means?

So YOUR argument goes that because certain people commit crimes, that ALL similar people, or ALL people in certain areas, should be considered SUSPECTS. Fine then.

Maybe N.Y.P.D. should stop and frisk certain people because similar looking people placed bombs at the feet of marathon spectators. Maybe they should stop and frisk certain others because similar looking people go into schools, malls, and theaters and shoot the hell out of everyone they see. And maybe they should also stop and frisk well dressed men in three piece business suits because some of them engage in "white collar" crimes, embezzle money, and make off with millions. :cool:
 
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I think you need to read more crime statistics of various urban cities. Minorities, mainly blacks and latinos, often constitute the majority of crime in those areas with NY being no different -

NYPD statistics show 96 percent of shooting victims are black or Hispanic and that minority groups represent 89 percent of all murder victims - NY Daily News

"There are similar numbers for felony assaults — 81% of victims are minorities, as are 88% of the suspects.

"But there is a sharp disparity for robberies, with blacks described as suspects in 70% of the cases, while they are victims in 33% of the crimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/opinion/moving-beyond-stop-and-frisk.html?_r=0

"According to Jeffrey A. Fagan, a statistician at Columbia Law School who testified on behalf of the plaintiffs, blacks and Hispanics are more likely to be targeted than similarly situated whites, even after adjusting for precinct crime rates, racial demographics and other social and economic factors."

I certainly hope you aren't making a case for racial profiling.
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/opinion/moving-beyond-stop-and-frisk.html?_r=0

"According to Jeffrey A. Fagan, a statistician at Columbia Law School who testified on behalf of the plaintiffs, blacks and Hispanics are more likely to be targeted than similarly situated whites, even after adjusting for precinct crime rates, racial demographics and other social and economic factors."
As they should under stop and frisk since they commit the vast majority of the violent crimes.
 

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As they should under stop and frisk since they commit the vast majority of the violent crimes.

I see, so you are making an argument for racial profiling... Well, nothing more to be said, but might as well have fun with it.

Now seeing as white people are more often engaged in white collar crimes, should they be monitored and searched every time they engage in finance? And if whites commit mass murders on average more than other races, does that mean they should be regularly molested by police? I mean, crime is crime no matter the minority of the group, why not be even handed?
 

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I see, so you are making an argument for racial profiling... Well, nothing more to be said, but might as well have fun with it.

Now seeing as white people are more often engaged in white collar crimes, should they be monitored and searched every time they engage in finance? And if whites commit mass murders on average more than other races, does that mean they should be regularly molested by police? I mean, crime is crime no matter the minority of the group, why not be even handed?

Because 97% of all shootings were committed by blacks and hispanics in NYC, god forbid anyone mention racial profiling.

When you can find similar statistics as to the frequency of mass murders and white collar crime as shootings in NYC and then can identify 97% of them were committed by white people, your questions will become relevant.
 

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I see so you are making an argument for racial profiling... Well, nothing more to be said, but might as well have fun with it.

Now seeing as white people are more often engaged in white collar crimes, should they be monitored and searched every time they engage in finance? And if whites commit mass murders on average more than other races, does that mean they should be regularly molested by police? I mean, crime is crime no matter the minority of the group, why not be even handed?
There are only two reasons to engage KTF in discussion. You would either be a masochist or very bored. He is never going to admit that his views are biased, bordering on racist. And as for hypocrisy when it comes to criminal acts....
 

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Because 97% of all shootings were committed by blacks and hispanics in NYC, god forbid anyone mention racial profiling.

When you can find similar statistics as to the frequency of mass murders and white collar crime as shootings in NYC and then can identify 97% of them were committed by white people, your questions will become relevant.

Dodging unpleasant questions is part of the usual repertoire of a bigot interested in couching preconceptions in convenient facts.
 

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There are only two reasons to engage KTF in discussion. You would either be a masochist or very bored. He is never going to admit that his views are biased, bordering on racist. And as for hypocrisy when it comes to criminal acts....

Yeah...lol, I really do understand that. Masochism does sound a bit strong, but pretty accurate. :biggrin2:
 

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Yeah...lol, I really do understand that. Masochism does sound a bit strong, but pretty accurate. :biggrin2:
I had to put him on ignore when he continuously tried to represent the use of marijuana as being more of a criminal act than prostitution. Perhaps it's because he's never smoked pot?
Also had reason to ignore him due to his nasty habit of constantly claiming that those who disagree with him are intellectually incapable of understanding his arguments. It couldn't be because most people can see his arguments for what they are.
 
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So YOUR argument goes that because certain people commit crimes, that ALL similar people, or ALL people in certain areas, should be considered SUSPECTS. Fine then.

Maybe N.Y.P.D. should stop and frisk certain people because similar looking people placed bombs at the feet of marathon spectators. Maybe they should stop and frisk certain others because similar looking people go into schools, malls, and theaters and shoot the hell out of everyone they see. And maybe they should also stop and frisk well dressed men in three piece business suits because some of them engage in "white collar" crimes, embezzle money, and make off with millions. :cool:

Well now now we have to be sensible b.c. to do that would be an unnecessary burden on society, on liberty and freedom guaranteed by the Constitution.
 

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Dodging unpleasant questions is part of the usual repertoire of a bigot interested in couching preconceptions in convenient facts.
Well, the answer is no until you provide some evidence that demonstrates your questions are relevant.

So instead of implying that I'm a bigot, why don't you go prove you're not nitwit and bring some evidence to support your asinine questions of "should white people be monitored and searched every time they engage finance"?

Like literally I'm laughing over here in that you said "every time" as if minorities receive the same amount of scrutiny in any part of the daily life (other than if they are in prison or prohibition). So your evidence better be extremely overwhelming to justify such a dumbass proposition hahaha.

There are only two reasons to engage KTF in discussion. You would either be a masochist or very bored. He is never going to admit that his views are biased, bordering on racist. And as for hypocrisy when it comes to criminal acts....
LOL coming from the biggest hypocrite on this board - http://www.lpsg.com/4842433-post1670.html, http://www.lpsg.com/4839006-post100.html

There isn't one single issue where you can't argue in a consistent manner.

And of course you'd think my views are "borderline racist", they don't conform to your narrow-minded view of the world where minorities are always the victim of the evil white man. Go continue to defend Al Sharpton and the rest of your racist heroes.
 

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I had to put him on ignore when he continuously tried to represent the use of marijuana as being more of a criminal act than prostitution. Perhaps it's because he's never smoked pot?
Never made that claim, that's just you lying again.


Also had reason to ignore him due to his nasty habit of constantly claiming that those who disagree with him are intellectually incapable of understanding his arguments. It couldn't be because most people can see his arguments for what they are.
You don't have me on ignore as evident by the all the times you reply to my posts. You keep saying you have me on ignore but you constantly respond to my posts as evident by this one 3 days ago in the Martin thread - http://www.lpsg.com/4842920-post1679.html