Str8 guys hooking up at the gym.

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If I had a dollar for every man with a wedding ring that dropped to his knees at the gym I'd be a wealthy man. Although it is true that a wedding ring does not mean anything one can tell by their performance weather they a acustom and comfortable doing the deed.
I have had many 5 minute "encounters" from men who apear to act straight and/ or closeted. $$$:biggrin1:
 

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This would be a true statement if the one or both of the partcipants were underage or mentally incompetent, but absent those two contingencies, it's consensual. I generally agree with you that some gays who engage in this behavior have significant self-esteem issues, but I view your conclusions as overly analytical. Following your logic, it would be incumbent upon parties in all sexual liaisons to administer a MMPI or cognitive dissonance assessment prior to engaging in sex. There might be an upside to that, but it's hardly practical. This "straight/gay" behavior, lilke most sex, is a quid pro quo for both parties. If it weren't rewarding, it wouldn't be so pervasive.

That said, I admit to being somewhat hypocritical about the subject. I, like you, do not engage in sexual relationships which are not reciprocal--and those relationships are with men who identify as gay. But that's my choice because it works for me. Others, who are as well-adjusted as the population at-large, may make different decisions which they find equally satisfying. Personally, I am not comfortable with any paradigm which essentially characterizes all "straight" men serviced by gays as predators and their gay counterparts as victims.

That the act is consensual is not in question. What is in question is whether or not one has adequate reasoning faculties whereby he can be considered to have given informed consent. Just because one is a willing participant, it does not mean that he is not being exploited.
 

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jacero 10, well said.

emotional relationships with women are hot.
men are good for quick release

ignore the people who need labels, they're boring anyway. just do your thing
 

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That the act is consensual is not in question. What is in question is whether or not one has adequate reasoning faculties whereby he can be considered to have given informed consent. Just because one is a willing participant, it does not mean that he is not being exploited.

Isn't this on the verge of saying that all sexual encounters are exploitative?
 
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Straight men that have sex with men is really a complex phenomena. I think everyone in this thread will find the following website very interesting.

StraightGuise | It's not a gay thing, it's a guy thing!

Also, the following is the article through which I found the Straightguise website.

Gay Guise: When Straight Men Have Sex With Other Men | Psychology Today Blogs

By Joe Kort on October 15, 2008 in Gay's Anatomy

There is a lot of talk about Bromances these days. The urban dictionary definition of a bromance is described as "complicated love and affection shared by two straight males." But what if the two men decide to have sex? Does that make them gay or bisexual?

When girls do this in Girls Gone Wild they are not accused of being latent lesbians or bisexuals. Their sexual orientation is not speculated about at all as it turns out. But this is different for me.

Understanding Straight Men Who Have Sex with Men

There's growing evidence that many men who have sex with men aren't all gay or bisexual. According to the Centers for Disease Control, more than 3 million men who self-identify as straight secretly have sex with other men-putting their wives or girlfriends at risk for HIV infection and other sexually transmitted diseases.

A recent New York City survey that appeared in the September 19, 2006, issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine found that nearly 1 in 10 men say they're straight and have occasional sex with men. In addition, 70 percent of these men are heterosexually married. In fact, 10 percent of all married men in this survey reported engaging in same-sex behavior during the previous year.

To best understand these men, therapists and clients need to be able to differentiate four terms that are often confused: sexual identity and orientation; sexual preferences; sexual fantasies; and sexual behavior. Contrary to common usage, they aren't always in alignment.

Sexual identity and orientation encompasses one's sexual and romantic identity, in which thoughts, fantasies, and behaviors work together in concert. It's the alignment of affectional, romantic, psychological, spiritual, and sexual feelings and desires for those of the same or opposite gender. Sexual orientation doesn't change over time. One's sexual behaviors and preferences might change, but like one's temperament, one's orientation remains mostly stable. The term also refers to how someone self-identifies, not how others may categorize him or her. Some people self-identify as straight, while others self-identify as gay or lesbian, bisexual, or questioning. It's important as therapists to ask your clients how they self-identify, regardless of with whom they have sex.

Sexual preferences refer to sexual acts, positions, and erotic scenarios that someone prefers to have while engaging in sexual activity. The term takes into account what individuals like to do and get into sexually, not necessarily with whom they like to do it. Preferences and erotic interests can change over time, as one becomes more open or closed to certain thoughts and behaviors.

Sexual fantasies are any thoughts that one finds arousing. They can encompass anything-sexual positions, romantic encounters, body parts, clothing and shoe fetishes, even rape. Sexual fantasies aren't necessarily acted out. In fact, in many cases, they aren't.

Sexual behavior is any behavior intended to pleasure oneself and/or one's sexual partner. It doesn't necessarily reflect one's orientation. For example, men who are imprisoned engage in sexual behaviors with other men, but do so out of sexual necessity, not because of erotic interest in another man. They desire the behavior and the sexual release it achieves, and the gender of the partner is secondary.

For straight men who have sex with men, same-sex encounters aren't about romance or sexual attraction and desire, but about sexual and physiological arousal-"getting off" with another who's male and accessible. They don't sexually desire or get aroused by looking at other men, only by the sexual act. But if they don't actively desire other men, how do they get to the point of having sex with them? These men typically want to bond with and get affection from other men. Their behavior may reflect a desire to experiment, to engage in something that's taboo, or to express inner psychological conflicts involving their sexual feelings and desires that have nothing to do with having a gay or bisexual identity.

Straight men who have sex with men do so for a variety of reasons. Some have been sexually abused and are compulsively reenacting childhood sexual trauma by male perpetrators; some find sexual release with another man more accessible; some have sex with men because it's easier and requires fewer social skills than those required to have sex with women; some are "gay for pay" and get financial rewards; some like the attention they receive from other men; some like anal sex, which they're otherwise too ashamed to talk about or engage in with their female partners.

When I learn that a straight client is having sex with men, I ask a series of questions: What is your interest in men? Do you prefer one type over another? Do you feel drawn and compelled to satisfy your sexual urges with men? Do you care about the physical appearance of the man? Do women play any role in the fantasy? Is it different for you if they aren't? I also try to listen for the themes running through their sexual interests and fantasies, which often decode aspects of their personal identity and histories.

For more information go to www.StraightGuise.com.
 

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previous year.





For straight men who have sex with men, same-sex encounters aren't about romance or sexual attraction and desire, but about sexual and physiological arousal-"getting off" with another who's male and accessible. They don't sexually desire or get aroused by looking at other men, only by the sexual act. But if they don't actively desire other men, how do they get to the point of having sex with them? These men typically want to bond with and get affection from other men. Their behavior may reflect a desire to experiment, to engage in something that's taboo, or to express inner psychological conflicts involving their sexual feelings and desires that have nothing to do with having a gay or bisexual identity.

Straight men who have sex with men do so for a variety of reasons. some find sexual release with another man more accessible; some have sex with men because it's easier and requires fewer social skills than those required to have sex with women; http://www.straightguise.com/

For me this totally explains why I sometimes want to do things with guys, not intercourse, but just j/o and maybe oral. But, for me I am a shy person so I don't have much luck with women and sometimes it just is lonely to get off by your self. And it can be arousing to see someone else get aroused while you are getting aroused.
 

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Thanks for the thread, Jacero, it's such a fascinating subject for me that I read all ten pages up to this point.

I've only had one such experience at the gym, though I've hooked up with plenty of guys (and gals) at other public venues where shared nudity occurs. That one experience started while I was showering after a workout. There were just three of us in the shower, I and two young guys from the local college. When I began washing my cock and balls (and going partially erect in the process) the other two guys went immediately erect and adjourned to the steam room. Intrigued, I rinsed off and joined them. That led to their taking turns, one on my cock with the other serving as "look out" for anyone coming to the steam room. Since I enjoy giving head every bit as much as receiving it the action was fully reciprocal and was one of the hottest "nameless" encounters I've ever had. After several bouts with each of the young studs I couldn't hold back any longer and shot a massive load all over the face of the guy that was sucking my dick. Having shot my load I reciprocated by being the "look out" while the two young cock suckers 69ed themselves to their own orgasms. We then returned to the shower, got dressed and I've not seen either of them since. Just recalling the incident has my dick as stiff as a motorcycle kickstand. I think the experience was particularly hot because of the "naughtiness" factor (i.e. doing something that was strictly forbidden by the gym's rules) and the possibility of being caught in the act. Whatever, it's always easy for me to get off while masturbating if I just close my eyes and envision that day in the steam room.

As for the "orientation" issue I subscribe to the notion that one can engage in purely hedonistic homosexual pleasures and still consider oneself to be straight. That, because I consider the true measure of one's orientation to be whether or not you can have a meaningful, caring, sharing, loving, amorously passionate relationship with another of the same sex (gay), the opposite sex (straight) or either sex (bi). That's the thing that we seem to have no choice in choosing ... what we do with our biological plumbing, from total abstinence to total abandon, is always a matter of choice.
 
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Gay Guise: When Straight Men Have Sex With Other Men | Psychology Today Blogs

By Joe Kort on October 15, 2008 in Gay's Anatomy

. . . For straight men who have sex with men, same-sex encounters aren't about romance or sexual attraction and desire, but about sexual and physiological arousal-"getting off" with another who's male and accessible.

. . . Their behavior may reflect a desire to experiment, to engage in something that's taboo . . .

And these are the aspects I find troubling.
 

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I am absolutely convinced that straight guys can GET sucked by a guy and still be straight. No question whatsoever. I've given lots of straight guys BJ's. I have been exclusively gay for several years now but if I were horny and an attractive woman wanted to suck my dick, I'd let her. Afterwards I would still be exclusively attracted to men, and therefore still 100% gay.
 

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Originally Posted by jacero10
I would not cheat on her with another woman. But, somehow getting sucked by guys is different. It doesnt feel like cheating.

I agree with you 100%... its just sex , not love...
 

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I am in a position to judge you based on your own statements.

You do reduce gay and bisexual men to instruments of your pleasure: "I don't need to be attracted to [a man] for him to get me off . . . I'm horny, who's gonna suck my dick?"

You do assign gay and bisexual men to the status of a fetish object: "The 'naughtiness' factor [with a man] is also pretty high, which turns me on."

Shall I go on? This thread is littered with equally degrading statements.

Make no mistake; that you are sexually intimate with men does not preclude your attitude with regard to gay and bisexual men from being homophobic.

One does not reduce those he respects to instruments of his pleasure, or assign them to the status of fetish object.

I have never forced any man to suck my dick. They do so because they want to. And, they are damn fucking good at it. These are guys who like to suck straight guys and who always say no recip necessary. You stand outside this exchange and really have no part in it. If you have a problem with it, then you have a problem with the gay and bisexual men who suck my dick and the dicks of countless thousands of straight men every day everywhere. Standing in judgment over something you dont understand is to stand on shaky ground.

All the best.
 

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Straight men that have sex with men is really a complex phenomena. I think everyone in this thread will find the following website very interesting.

StraightGuise | It's not a gay thing, it's a guy thing!

Also, the following is the article through which I found the Straightguise website.

Gay Guise: When Straight Men Have Sex With Other Men | Psychology Today Blogs

By Joe Kort on October 15, 2008 in Gay's Anatomy

There is a lot of talk about Bromances these days. The urban dictionary definition of a bromance is described as "complicated love and affection shared by two straight males." But what if the two men decide to have sex? Does that make them gay or bisexual?

When girls do this in Girls Gone Wild they are not accused of being latent lesbians or bisexuals. Their sexual orientation is not speculated about at all as it turns out. But this is different for me.

Understanding Straight Men Who Have Sex with Men

There's growing evidence that many men who have sex with men aren't all gay or bisexual. According to the Centers for Disease Control, more than 3 million men who self-identify as straight secretly have sex with other men-putting their wives or girlfriends at risk for HIV infection and other sexually transmitted diseases.

A recent New York City survey that appeared in the September 19, 2006, issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine found that nearly 1 in 10 men say they're straight and have occasional sex with men. In addition, 70 percent of these men are heterosexually married. In fact, 10 percent of all married men in this survey reported engaging in same-sex behavior during the previous year.

To best understand these men, therapists and clients need to be able to differentiate four terms that are often confused: sexual identity and orientation; sexual preferences; sexual fantasies; and sexual behavior. Contrary to common usage, they aren't always in alignment.

Sexual identity and orientation encompasses one's sexual and romantic identity, in which thoughts, fantasies, and behaviors work together in concert. It's the alignment of affectional, romantic, psychological, spiritual, and sexual feelings and desires for those of the same or opposite gender. Sexual orientation doesn't change over time. One's sexual behaviors and preferences might change, but like one's temperament, one's orientation remains mostly stable. The term also refers to how someone self-identifies, not how others may categorize him or her. Some people self-identify as straight, while others self-identify as gay or lesbian, bisexual, or questioning. It's important as therapists to ask your clients how they self-identify, regardless of with whom they have sex.

Sexual preferences refer to sexual acts, positions, and erotic scenarios that someone prefers to have while engaging in sexual activity. The term takes into account what individuals like to do and get into sexually, not necessarily with whom they like to do it. Preferences and erotic interests can change over time, as one becomes more open or closed to certain thoughts and behaviors.

Sexual fantasies are any thoughts that one finds arousing. They can encompass anything-sexual positions, romantic encounters, body parts, clothing and shoe fetishes, even rape. Sexual fantasies aren't necessarily acted out. In fact, in many cases, they aren't.

Sexual behavior is any behavior intended to pleasure oneself and/or one's sexual partner. It doesn't necessarily reflect one's orientation. For example, men who are imprisoned engage in sexual behaviors with other men, but do so out of sexual necessity, not because of erotic interest in another man. They desire the behavior and the sexual release it achieves, and the gender of the partner is secondary.

For straight men who have sex with men, same-sex encounters aren't about romance or sexual attraction and desire, but about sexual and physiological arousal-"getting off" with another who's male and accessible. They don't sexually desire or get aroused by looking at other men, only by the sexual act. But if they don't actively desire other men, how do they get to the point of having sex with them? These men typically want to bond with and get affection from other men. Their behavior may reflect a desire to experiment, to engage in something that's taboo, or to express inner psychological conflicts involving their sexual feelings and desires that have nothing to do with having a gay or bisexual identity.

Straight men who have sex with men do so for a variety of reasons. Some have been sexually abused and are compulsively reenacting childhood sexual trauma by male perpetrators; some find sexual release with another man more accessible; some have sex with men because it's easier and requires fewer social skills than those required to have sex with women; some are "gay for pay" and get financial rewards; some like the attention they receive from other men; some like anal sex, which they're otherwise too ashamed to talk about or engage in with their female partners.

When I learn that a straight client is having sex with men, I ask a series of questions: What is your interest in men? Do you prefer one type over another? Do you feel drawn and compelled to satisfy your sexual urges with men? Do you care about the physical appearance of the man? Do women play any role in the fantasy? Is it different for you if they aren't? I also try to listen for the themes running through their sexual interests and fantasies, which often decode aspects of their personal identity and histories.

For more information go to www.StraightGuise.com.


Wow, Red, I just got back from the weekend and am reading through the responses and feeling horribly judged, and condemned and suddenly I find your post and, at last, it's like you just read my inner biography. Your descriptions fit me completely. I need to get to bed, so more later. But let me just say thank you, thank you, thank you, brother!!!!
 

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I have never forced any man to suck my dick. They do so because they want to. And, they are damn fucking good at it. These are guys who like to suck straight guys and who always say no recip necessary. You stand outside this exchange and really have no part in it. If you have a problem with it, then you have a problem with the gay and bisexual men who suck my dick and the dicks of countless thousands of straight men every day everywhere. Standing in judgment over something you dont understand is to stand on shaky ground.

All the best.

I addressed this in a previous post:

His statements are degrading regardless of gender, and are representative of a troubling attitude with regard to his sexual partners. The difference is that had he made the statements about women, they would be misogynistic instead of homophobic.

It is equally troubling that some gay and bisexual men experience such egodystonic homophobia that they erotically fantasize, pursue, and participate in such demeaning, nonreciprocal sexual relationships with straight men.

Furthermore, I would hardly consider taking advantage of men who are experiencing such cognitive dissonance to be "consensual."
 

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I am absolutely convinced that straight guys can GET sucked by a guy and still be straight. No question whatsoever. I've given lots of straight guys BJ's. I have been exclusively gay for several years now but if I were horny and an attractive woman wanted to suck my dick, I'd let her. Afterwards I would still be exclusively attracted to men, and therefore still 100% gay.


Thanks, Big. You make a lot of sense here. The phenomena of sexual identity v. sexual behavior v. sexual attraction are a complexity which cannot be expressed adequately by gay/bi/str8 dictionary definitions. Well said.
 

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Although I am having more sex with dick lately, I consider myself 70/30 because I am much more into the guy getting me off and am not at all into men emotionally or for a relationship.

Women completely turn me on for romance and making love.

Men only satisfy something very animal in me.
i'm lovin this 11-page thread, and jacero - i like your attitude on so many levels.

i live a very compartmentalized life WRT sex with guys. i'm totally with you about the emotional satisfaction that come from female relationships. basically, i have no problem differentiating between people i love and people i love to fuck.

my first guy sex was also part of my college experience (mine was with a roomie). i've posted the story elsewhere here on lpsg. i know i would never have started down this road if he had not initiated things, but now i'm totally addicted to cock.

and yes - i've had a fair share of hookups at the gym too (but never happened in college). i wish i had your confidence and attitude when i was going through my college experiences. that probably would have made me more willing to experiment with these things. enjoy it man!
 
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i get hit on by the 'str8' guys in my gym; none of the gay ones, though.
always in the steam room; they always make the first move; usually just want a mutual JO..oddly enough, even if i'm horny, I just dont like sex in a steam room..
 

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I dont usually go on the hunt for a dude to get me off. If it happens...

But, this thread is kinda changing things a bit. At one gym I belong to, we have a steam room, dry sauna, large jacuzzi and private showers with outer door and inner shower curtain. It is insane to have these private showers when most of the men are hangin out naked in the other places in the lockerroom. I hated the showers at first. But, now I see they have a purpose-- man on man sex!!

So, after working out last night I was hanging out in the jacuzzi by myself for a while as it was a Sunday night about 8pm. I was thinking of all this cock that jacero's been getting or at least all the tonsils he's been banging--and I was getting semi hard under the bubbles just sitting there naked.

Along comes this fit, nice lookin guy all nuded up whom I had seen in the weight room. He wasn't extraordinarily model-like but handsome and wearing a wedding ring and in his younger 30's with a lean runners build. We talked sports for a while which eliminated my semi--then enough about politics to guess he was the only man in the bay area to be voting for mccain.

I took a nice cooling off shower and then went to the steam. Alone again, I stiffened up thinking about guys looking to suck cock. Along came mccain man again but this time he saw my noticeably larger dick. He sat down then at an angle so he was directly facing me. He continued talking, this time about his work and the economy etc all the while gradually growing his dick. Soon we were both obviously chubbing. Continuing the conversation about business and employment blah, blah blah I got up and put the towel around me to leave and he did the same. He followed me to the showers in right into the private stall, fell to his knees and had me shaking and shuddering so hard I had to lean heavily on the wall not to fall down.

He jerked himself and came just after me. No reciprocation necessary. In the end, he whispered in my ear that nothing gets him off like getting off a straight dude and he thanked me.

Just had to share before work today, guys. Lockerroom sex RULES !!!