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I totally agree with the OP's observations and have traveled a similar path myself. As much as I love making love to a woman and as much as I am turned on by a beautiful woman's body I have always found one of the most arousing things about straight porn to be those big, beautiful erect cocks! I was in hyper-straight mode until my forties when, after two marriages and two divorces, I opened my mind to considering cock play with other guys. Been making up for lost time ever since. As I have previously stated on other threads addressing human sexuality and orientation any real issue of contention always boils down to the damned labels and, especially, people's need to use those labels to pigeonhole other individuals so they can view them stereotypically without having to understand the complexities of another human being. I guess it's just human nature, but if so it's a highly prejudicial part of human nature.

... Two guys masturbating with one another is a homo-erotic act. ... The moment you reach over to stroke your friend, it become a homosexual act.

That's absolutely true.

... Double-Penetration is hot. It too can be considered a homosexual/bisexual act ... How is it different from two guys fucking a fleshlight together? Either way, you're rubbing dicks. (It's hot!)

Again, true, true, true. But my take on this issue is that straight men can commit and enjoy homosexual acts without being gay. Homosexual "acts" don't necessarily define homosexual "orientation" as they are two very different concepts. Again it comes down to labels, but I believe that being gay, straight or bi is a function of how a person relates to the individuals within his society and it involves emotional, spiritual and loving issues that far transcend any sexual act. If a guy fucks a fleshlight it doesn't mean that he is neither gay nor straight but instead just "mechanical". It simply means that he is doing something that feels good and gets him off. The same is true of straight guys rubbing dicks together or letting another guy suck them off, it just feels good and brings them to orgasm .... it doesn't mean that they're suddenly in love with other men.

... figure out what you like first before you say "I do" to someone who probably wouldn't accept certain things. And before you're too old to do anything about it. That would suck.

Yes, I certainly wish I could have figured out what I now know at a much younger age. But then I grew up in a much more conservative, puritanical era than youngsters today. Their horizons should be much less restrictive than were mine.

... Now jerk off and think of me.

I love it! Rest assured, Dante, I am doing exactly that right now.
 

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for those who have never studied it before, "Sexual Orientation" is just what it sounds like: what you are pointed toward, and drawn to. A person has their "sexual object choice" which is used in a regular "mental script" You run the movie in your mind, and use the object for your own carnal and orgasmic purposes. Sometimes there might even be more than one object... like the whole damn cheer leading squad! :)

Silvertip (and others) are spot on- 2 men can have a hetero orientation that is based on a preferred female object choice, because their mental script that produces orgasm utilizes a female. HOWEVER, they can also sit and watch porn with a pal, and imagine their object to be with them, completing the orientation model.

By this definition, I'd say that if the 2 guys, who define themselves as straight, watch gay porn together (a porn that doesn't involve a woman but just two men) then the act does turn homoerotic/ homosexual--- and that's OK. We are human, and (let's all say it together...) arousal arouses. We get turned on by lots of stimuli- and that can also be new and unusual circumstances. To me this behavior is more about the trust level that comes from 2 guys risking their personal truth to do this together, and embrace the possible consequences.

And much more telling than this is whether or not a guy decides to disclose the behavior (and the feelings and needs) to his spouse- and whether or not she is offended or capable of understanding without freaking out...
 

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Everything on the list seems like something every straight guy would do at one time or another and if not at least thought about it. If this is the most gay things you have done you should change yourself to 100 percent straight. I wouldn't considar that gay. I done, and still do, more intimate things with women and I'm 99 percent gay.
 

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Why is it necessary to label every damn thing? Can't we just live out lives and discover who we are in the process?

I agree with Dante about knowing who you are before you say "I do". However, it is possible for guys to have had some passing homosexual fantasies, prior to marriage only to dismiss them in favor of love and the want of family. Not everyone knows who they are in their 20s.
After marriage and kids it gets more complicated to walk away.
 

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Why is it necessary to label every damn thing? Can't we just live out lives and discover who we are in the process?

I agree with Dante about knowing who you are before you say "I do". However, it is possible for guys to have had some passing homosexual fantasies, prior to marriage only to dismiss them in favor of love and the want of family. Not everyone knows who they are in their 20s.
After marriage and kids it gets more complicated to walk away.

I agree completely, that's why I believe that you shouldn't rush into such a commitment. Make sure that you're comfortable with you as a product before you're ready to market yourself.
 

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Great post Mebench. I'm sure most know, but that's the way it is for most men and women. Most all of us are bi/gay to some extent.

In our younger years we're all caught up in peer pressure and being what we're supposed to be that we hide our real "eyes". When a get little older we see how many other people are in the same boat and relax.

Since I embraced my gay side about six years ago, now age 47, it has amazed me. It has been NOTHING like I perceived it to be when I was younger. I often thought of a word you used, it's sometimes like a brotherhood. I have met some of the coolest, down to earth guys and made some damn good friendships. The sex we had felt so natural. We helped each other.

You hit the nail on he head.
 
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Yeah..funny how you attitude changes when you're 40 something.I don't remember how it happenned probably just bored but I've been servicing a friend for a couple years now....I'm not attracted to men at all...its the cock attached I like.its like living the porno or something....a quick text and I go over...he gets the lube and puts the porn on while I get on my knees...reminds me of the highschool sessions I had with some sweet but homely girl..ha. yeah its pretty seedy and shit but it is what it is....if someone would have told me id be sucking off some dude 20 years ago I would have laughed....
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I am not far off. I'll be 37 this year and feel the same way. I like woman but I'm not opposed to looking at a guy with a nice body and a nice dick too. Like you said attractive is attractive.
 

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It's been six months since I first read and responded to this thread. I saw today that it was still going so revisited it and reviewed all the responses. What amazes me most, and very definitely heartens me, is the total lack of any negative response. What ever became of the gender nazis who used to pounce on ideas such as these? Maybe there is hope for this world.