Straight, Gay or Lying? Bisexuality Revisited

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When you are a child in that situation you don't look at if from the persepective we can gather now. I was on the receiving end of some unwanted attention from the ages of 6-10. It was my next door neighbour and her boyfriend. I actually thought that I was really special because these older cooler people were giving me all this attention, and wanting to spend all this time with me. I told a guy in school when I was 13 and he thought it was cool. "Dude, you have fucked a girl already" was his exact response. What would he have said if I told him that I had been fucked also?
 

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Originally posted by bobbyrobbo@Jul 13 2005, 11:04 AM
When you are a child in that situation you don't look at if from the persepective we can gather now. I was on the receiving end of some unwanted attention from the ages of 6-10. It was my next door neighbour and her boyfriend. I actually thought that I was really special because these older cooler people were giving me all this attention, and wanting to spend all this time with me. I told a guy in school when I was 13 and he thought it was cool. "Dude, you have fucked a girl already" was his exact response. What would he have said if I told him that I had been fucked also?
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See that is exactly my point...Been through the same shit...I guess it is hard to understand if you haven't been through it...
 

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Originally posted by Pene_Negro_Grande@Jul 12 2005, 12:55 AM
You do not need a shrink...You sound like you understand yourself to me...And myself I am always in the mood for women...It takes combination of looks, personality, and style for me to be interested in a guy so I really have to kind into their head a bit before an attraction hits...It has to be someone I think that would be a cool friend and someone I would hang out with...Women - way less effort for me...A woman just has to be sexy and cool (much more visual for me)...
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Yeah but it is irritating and confuseing, when one day I cnt take my eye's off guy's asses, another day I cant stop staring at cleavege, the next dayI'm flicking between asses and cleavege and the following day I'm staring at buildings and ignoring people.

Im a bit worried about it really, and means that I doubt I could ever hold a steady relationship, because of the way my preference seems to flick and swap and then just turn off completely pretty much day to day.

Perhaps the article is right though, perhaps Im really totally gay and just dont want to brand myself "gay" because of the implications.
 

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Can't be gay fully if you desire women too I think...Personally I use to go through phases like that too...I use to think that having an attraction for men and women was all it was cracked up to be...Because for me I felt I was pulled in all kinds of directions...Currently for the last couple of years guys really haven't appealed to me in a sexual way...I have a stronger attraction for women but doesn't mean if the opportunity arose - I wouldn't hook up w/a guy...Lately though only thing I have been thinking about is women...And I have really enjoyed being single and I can't believe I am saying this but since I have been sober - I have really been wanting to getting back into the relationship game w/a nice girl...A friend of mine is trying to hook me up w/a co-worker of hers on a blind date...I am actually kind of looking forward to it...
 

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That makes sexual abuse so painful and stinging to me, because no matter how old you are, being abused like that brings about an incomparable level of vulnerability. It really rocks your world, and not even remotely in a good way because you ended up being totally violated. And that violation feels pretty real. As this pretty cool twelve-year-old guy I work with now has really been educating me. He calls his dad a monster and doesn't feel a hint of responsibility for what happened to him, but he acknowledges how tough it feels to just kinda... you know, exist. Blend together the emotions "mad," "sad," and "bad" and you've got one hell of an existential cocktail.

In addition to violating the victim, an abuser really warps the victim's sense of future trust and commitment building. In younger children, you really warp the sense of feeling. It's pretty sick to know that abusers can touch you in places that make you feel good. Imagine what it's like to get pleasure from being fellated or having a stimulated prostate, and yet seeing some sick bastard have his paws all over you.

It was my brother.

[And the barrier comes down. I guess it's safe enough.]

Not too many days go by in which I figure that my brother really skewed my sense of sexuality at any early age. I was 9, maybe 10. Hell, I wasn't too into girls at that point and I figured I just had to give it some time. And none of what he did to me felt good, but I ended up with these strange and distracting longings. I had to read medical books just to make sure these attractions were normal; it's pretty normal to experiment between 11 and 14, and it's quite common. So, I thought maybe I would just get over these feelings.

I'm 25 now. I haven't talked about my abuse much -- haven't found too many people to trust. And sometimes I kick myself trying to figure out why I can possibly think a dude looks pretty decent when my brother was my first and worst experience. And even now, I get emotionally kind of torn up and angry and pissed and loathing.

(Counsel the counselor, will you?)

When he died, I thought it was a good thing... no... not good because I knew Mom hurt for him. I finally told her a few years ago. We both cried a lot because that would explain why I didn't really do much grieving for him. And sometimes, I get angry enough to imagine what it'd be like with me and him and a baseball bat and a locked room for ten minutes, fifteen at the max. I'd do some harm. It wouldn't take away the pain, but it would make me feel better for a short while.

Bobby's dead on, folks. Back then, you're just the victim. You don't get it, and sometimes your perpetrator can make you feel really good, really special. You can love the attention. You can make your perpetrator think you really want it, when, in reality, they don't see the sick effects of the game. Who suffers? The victim, and the only thing we can do is kinda pick ourselves up, try to make sense of it. If we're brave, we'll seek serious help.

For the meantime, I can just sit down and focus on school and job-hunting. But eventually I'm going to work the factual stuff and maybe then I won't have any excuse to really seek some guidance for what's tripping about in my head.
 

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Originally posted by DeeBlackthorne@Jul 14 2005, 05:00 AM
It was my brother.

[And the barrier comes down. I guess it's safe enough.]

Not too many days go by in which I figure that my brother really skewed my sense of sexuality at any early age. I was 9, maybe 10. Hell, I wasn't too into girls at that point and I figured I just had to give it some time. And none of what he did to me felt good, but I ended up with these strange and distracting longings. I had to read medical books just to make sure these attractions were normal; it's pretty normal to experiment between 11 and 14, and it's quite common. So, I thought maybe I would just get over these feelings.

I'm 25 now. I haven't talked about my abuse much -- haven't found too many people to trust. And sometimes I kick myself trying to figure out why I can possibly think a dude looks pretty decent when my brother was my first and worst experience. And even now, I get emotionally kind of torn up and angry and pissed and loathing.

(Counsel the counselor, will you?)
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You sharing something that intense and heavy is extraordinarily moving :hug:.
I know it tears you up inside to even recall and mention these things.......
 

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Yeah dude...Thanks for sharing...Like I said I can totally relate and just recently been able to talk about it on here...You definitely described how I feel about trusting someone and that is why I think I have so many failed relationships in the past...I tried to block it out of my head but found myself getting really emotional while I lay in bed at night...It is sad that someone can do that to a child...I always wanted to understand the mind of someone like that and what kind of weird kicks they get because most people know what can of future emotional scares they can cause...
 

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Originally posted by alleyblu@Jul 14 2005, 01:36 PM
You sharing something that intense and heavy is extraordinarily moving :hug:.
I know it tears you up inside to even recall and mention these things.......
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I cant add anything, but I can agree with that.
 

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Ah, Dee, I hate that you went through this. Breaks my heart.

I can see how kids can lose the ability to trust anyone else after having gone through such an ordeal. For so many victims of abuse, I'm sure the very idea of trust seems nearly incomprehensible--a lunatic notion of opening oneself up to further pain and betrayal.

Originally posted by DeeBlackthorne@Jul 14 2005, 01:00 AM
It's pretty sick to know that abusers can touch you in places that make you feel good.
I've heard almost that very same statement from a number of victims of abuse (and I'm betting that, in your work, you have as well), and that pretty much cuts to the heart of it. What a horrible, lasting legacy to carry, second-guessing your own feelings and attractions.

I'd asssume that you believe in the value of professional therapy (;)), so I know that the day will come when you are ready to take the next step in the process.

In the meantime, know that there are a bunch of us out here who've got your back, Dee. :pals:

Lots of love to you.
 

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Y'know, I normally hate admitting this, because I hate the way people tend to treat me after I've told them, but a few people have brought up their frustration at the assumption that molestation forces you into one sexual orientation or another... So here goes...
I, too, had an encounter with an older male babysitter as a child. I also had a very minimal encounter with an older stepsister at a very young age, as well as a bit of the more commonplace experimentation amongst my peers.
I don't like discussing this, because I still haven't totally sorted out how I feel about it all... I know how I've been told I'm supposed to feel, and it seems to contradict with what is actually going on inside me. When I've told people who haven't experienced it, I often feel like I'm seen as damaged goods, and people assume this is the kind of thing that "makes" one bisexual... I grappled with this myself after hearing it so much, and I've come to the conclusion that it just isn't so.
I recall messing around with kids my own age before and after the babysitter/stepsister things happened. Both boys and girls. I was a very sexual person then, as I am now. There's such an impulse to protect children in our society, that we view any sexual expressions among young children to be unsettling and shocking. We make it clear that that kind of behavior is wrong and is something to be reserved for when you are "older" (whenever that is). I recall very vividly the incident with the babysitter, and I was interested in what was going on at the time. I remember him asking me if I wanted to do it, and I agreed, as I was very curious. It's easy to say that it was entirely his fault, and that he was a predator, and all these other things we've been force-fed, but when I look at it all these years later, he was a child himself. Maybe not in age, but mentally and emotionally so for sure. He was molested, and I'm not sure to what degree, but now, looking back on it, I really can't be that angry with him. I have been told the police were involved after I revealed to my mother what had happened. She says I was upset when I told her... Maybe I was horrified... Maybe I was just afraid of getting in trouble. In any event, she did what any good mother would do by comforting me, and she did her best to see to it that the person who hurt her child was punished. I often wonder what became of this boy, and if he was able to get help.
As for my stepsister, as I've said, it was a very tame encounter, and I remember at that time also not being opposed to what happened. I have reason to believe she was also abused and had a great deal of emotional problems. I didn't tell anyone about what went on between this girl and myself until years afterward. Maybe I was afraid of having a big deal made out of it. In any event, I wonder about her, too, and what kind of life she's living. I hope the best for her... For both of them, really.
I don't carry any spite or anger toward either of them. I've been told so many times that what happened to me was terrible and it was all their fault, and it always somehow winds up making me feel embarrassed, because I know that a part of me did genuinely want it. YES, I SAID IT. I sometimes feel that the way I've been talked to and about concerning these events are the only reason I still even recall them. Very few people are willing to accept that this was anything short of a tragic event in my life. Very few people are willing to understand that I don't want to identify as a victim. I don't think any of these events "made" me anything. It's just part of my life experience.

NOW... Please understand that I'm not advocating child rape in any way, shape, or form. I'm not encouraging incest. I'm not making excuses for the sadistic people out there that are old enough to know better than to prey on children. I do realize there are people out there, like the people who have been brave enough to share their stories on this tread, that have suffered because of sexual abuse. I know that a lot of folks don't get off light like I did, with a couple of isolated incidents. I know that the abuse can drag on for years, and can be very painful. For those people, my heart truly goes out to them. What you've experienced is something I can't imagine, and I'm sorry that your introduction to sex had to be so negative.
That being said, I think there might be a lot less problems for kids who had things happen to them like what happened to me if we weren't so stigmatized by others. Yes, it happened, but am I scarred for life? Hardly. Is it the cause of my every character "flaw"? I doubt it. I don't like having things assumed about me because of such a minor couple of events.
(...So that's my life story. Yawn, I know.)
 

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after watching that show am I even comfortable even talking about it on this board...



I'm just catching up reading this thread and what I said to Dee goes for you too Pene Negro Grande. I can't get over how many people have been through this. I'm almost surprised this never happened to me, being that my parents were very "careless" with us ( leaving us with strangers, etc.....).

I do remember when I was in grade school back in the 80's speakers would constantly come to class and lecture us about telling if someone would try to touch you in your "private area". I remember hearing this over and over again, on T.V. and in school.

At that time I did'nt understand why it was being talked about so much, but now I do.......