Straight Guys Who Experiment With Gay Guys
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Personally i think im straight. MAybe. I kinda wanna experiment with some guys though but i dont know how to go about that. I mean ive had a girlfriend but i was really that turned on during sex and ive recently begun masturbating to gay porn. Can anyone help me out? Any advice?
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This is a really sketchy area to draw lines in due to (misguided) social stigmas involving same sex sex. There are so many guys here in the American Southeast where I am who are in complete denial or heavily closeted but who fool around on the side while being married church-goers it's unbelievable. So, does that make them gay? bi? straight with a same-sex sex outlet since their wives don't put out enough and no one would suspect another guy?
I one hundred percent agree with you Prepstudinsc, I myself am currently in a relationship with a man which of course makes me homosexual but i still think of myself as straight. Sounds wierd right but why on earth would i want to associate myself with the typical gay queens????? And why on earth do transvestite's represent the gay community. At the risk of ranting i would also like to say that 'Gay Pride' is rediculous. Straight people dont have a pride so why should anybody else? Stop throwing your sexuality in people's faces and perhaps they would be more understanding?
AND STOP WITH ALL THE LABELLING! Who's gives a shit if they are gay/bisexual/straight??
AND STOP WITH ALL THE LABELLING! Who's gives a shit if they are gay/bisexual/straight??
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It's your "first post" so I'll be nice.
Gay Pride (or the original concept of the Gay Pride Parade) has nothing to do with throwing sexuality in someone's face. Look at footage from the first Pride marches in SF and NYC after the Stonewall riots and you'll see what I mean. It's about acceptance regardless of whom someone falls in love or sleeps with.
Besides, if the issue is throwing one's sexuality in their face, heterosexual imagery of sexuality has been blitzed to people on practically every commercial, television show, song & billboard you can find for centuries. Kinda silly to think that two gay men walking around topless in a pair of hot pants while holding hands during one parade is more detrimental to society. That is, unless, the idea of seeing a same sex couple in love scares you.
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I just want to say these things in general, and maybe it will help a bit:
1. I hear a lot of people bitching about labels, however, the same people who bitch are also quick to reach for the straight label as they jerk off, suck, get sucked by, fuck, or be fucked- with or by another guy. It's okay to experiment. I recommend it...once you go back for seconds, you're at least bi. Deal with it.
2. Just because you don't date men, doesn't make you straight. I mean, you can tell that to people in your day to day life, I suppose- because they don't know what goes on behind closed doors. However, in forums or environments as such, I'd expect a little more honesty. I personally for example am out as a gay man, however, I'm sexually bisexual. I feel comfortable sleeping with women, but dating them is not for me- I've tried- not my thing. My family and friends know this. I just don't tell my family that I still sleep with women from time to time- my mom really wants grand kids, and I'm sooooo not even touching that one. But call it for what it is...
3. This sorta touches number 1, but once you've experimented, you're NO LONGER CURIOUS!!! Curiosity.Satisfied. You can't sleep with 3 or 4 guys and say "I'm curious"- what the fuck else could one possibly be curious about after that?
4. Some of you still think that if a guy jerks you off (A hand's a hand), or sucks you off (A mouth's a mouth), or if you fuck him (A hole's a hole), then that's not a gay act... Do you think your girlfriends, wives, or straight buds who don't even feel comfortable getting undressed around other guys would think so? Nope. And guess what? Gay men can make out with chicks because we're used to fighting social norms anyway, but if a chick told a gay guy she wanted to give him a blow job, he's going to look at her like she's fucking crazy. Unless he's sexually bi, and that's hitting back on topic 2. Is admitting to yourself, or people on this site that you're sexually bi really a bad thing? You're here because you like dicks anyway, might as well be honest and discover the possibilities with other members here.
And kinda touching back on number 2. To the guys who have experimented with guys and say that you couldn't date a guy. Question: How many of you have actually been man enough to try it? I mean, seriously court and go out with a guy? I'd seriously bet there's like one guy who will read this that can say "I've slept with and dated guys- it just wasn't for me." And I'd accept that. And I know that it's not going to be a good number of you, because 9 times out of 10, most of your girlfriends, wives, or buddies don't even know that you've even experimented. Because you fear the label. And you sync the label with how people would view you. Maybe even how you would view yourself. If more people through history and in our present accepted themselves more, we wouldn't even need to have such discussions.
Just wanted to put that out there.
1. I hear a lot of people bitching about labels, however, the same people who bitch are also quick to reach for the straight label as they jerk off, suck, get sucked by, fuck, or be fucked- with or by another guy. It's okay to experiment. I recommend it...once you go back for seconds, you're at least bi. Deal with it.
2. Just because you don't date men, doesn't make you straight. I mean, you can tell that to people in your day to day life, I suppose- because they don't know what goes on behind closed doors. However, in forums or environments as such, I'd expect a little more honesty. I personally for example am out as a gay man, however, I'm sexually bisexual. I feel comfortable sleeping with women, but dating them is not for me- I've tried- not my thing. My family and friends know this. I just don't tell my family that I still sleep with women from time to time- my mom really wants grand kids, and I'm sooooo not even touching that one. But call it for what it is...
3. This sorta touches number 1, but once you've experimented, you're NO LONGER CURIOUS!!! Curiosity.Satisfied. You can't sleep with 3 or 4 guys and say "I'm curious"- what the fuck else could one possibly be curious about after that?
4. Some of you still think that if a guy jerks you off (A hand's a hand), or sucks you off (A mouth's a mouth), or if you fuck him (A hole's a hole), then that's not a gay act... Do you think your girlfriends, wives, or straight buds who don't even feel comfortable getting undressed around other guys would think so? Nope. And guess what? Gay men can make out with chicks because we're used to fighting social norms anyway, but if a chick told a gay guy she wanted to give him a blow job, he's going to look at her like she's fucking crazy. Unless he's sexually bi, and that's hitting back on topic 2. Is admitting to yourself, or people on this site that you're sexually bi really a bad thing? You're here because you like dicks anyway, might as well be honest and discover the possibilities with other members here.
And kinda touching back on number 2. To the guys who have experimented with guys and say that you couldn't date a guy. Question: How many of you have actually been man enough to try it? I mean, seriously court and go out with a guy? I'd seriously bet there's like one guy who will read this that can say "I've slept with and dated guys- it just wasn't for me." And I'd accept that. And I know that it's not going to be a good number of you, because 9 times out of 10, most of your girlfriends, wives, or buddies don't even know that you've even experimented. Because you fear the label. And you sync the label with how people would view you. Maybe even how you would view yourself. If more people through history and in our present accepted themselves more, we wouldn't even need to have such discussions.
Just wanted to put that out there.
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I'm I guess bi because i've fooled around with guys (j/o, oral) but I don't want to tell anyone I've done that. I honestly don't want the labels and really its no bodies buisness anyhow what I've done. I don't want to date, marry, or even fuck a guy though.
I'm in a str8 relationship right now and its great. To me, friends and family, I'm str8. It works for me and nobody else can tell me what I am or aren't.
I'm in a str8 relationship right now and its great. To me, friends and family, I'm str8. It works for me and nobody else can tell me what I am or aren't.
Boy I can see many sides to this.
I bet we all could name several things we haven't experimented with, and would never experiment with. I mean, there are a lot of things out there. We can't possibly try them all.
Have you experimented with ceramics? bass fishing? wood turning? sky diving? grappa, restoring antique hammered dulcimers, rugby, coprophagia, contract bridge, harness racing, rocketry, motocross, fisting, escargot, peppadews, tapas, snowboarding, curling, bestiality, titty fucking a pre-op transexual? . . .If I experimented with frottage with a dolphin would I be hooked?. Do I really need to try out a prince albert before I can honestly declare it's not for me? do they even allow returns?
So. . .what is it that drives us to experiment with some things and ignore others? There's got to be some difference. Let's call that difference "interest".
Even though you haven't tried something before, you have to have at least some interest in order to motivate you to go ahead to the next step and experiment, which will either strengthen your interest, weaken it, or kill it altogether. But the point is, some interest has to exist before the experiment.
There really are guys (I'm not one of them) that really do have zero interestI'm talking 0.000 interest levelin erotic activities with other guys. Not even enough to bother with experimenting. Many of these truly, genuinely, 100.00% heterosexual males see their heterosexual status like a perfect game in baseball. If someone gets even one base hit off of you, even early in the 1st inning, you can't be credited with a perfect game.
On the other, um , hand, it's not like we have an official sanctioning body keeping score. We all have different opinions and criteria. For example, teen web forums are full of threads like: "Is it gay for a guy to...", "Is it gay for a guy to think about...", I've even heard old guys say that when they were a kid they debated if it was gay for a guy to jack off (the reasoning being: It's gay to give a guy a handjob, even though you're alone, you are still a guy, therefore it's gay). These scoring disputes can get complicated.
Hopefully all this ambiguity will force people to have meaningful conversations about their sexuality; rather than simply checking a box for "straight, gay, or bi", maybe we'll start showing each other our full pie charts. For example, I like how this forum lets you give percentages. I find it encouraging that so many guys here are able to admit their small percentage of "gay"-ness. I suspect many of those guys would have checked the "straight" box if the only choices were straight/gay/bi.
Even though I do have a small amount of interest in guys, I usually identify myself as straight in casual conversation, where there's no opportunity to elaborate. It's not just easier, it's the most truthful short answer. It's like someone asking "how you doing"? Even if I have a mild headache at that moment, I still say "fine". I don't feel like I'm living a lie if I do that.
To get back on topic... From the comments here, It doesn't seem like guys with Big Ones are more prone to experimentation, but if they do, their Big One is almost always the icebreaker/conversaton starter that gets things into a sexual mood. It's such a reliable play, why not run it as often as you can? I don't have a Big One, so this is just an educated guess.
When guys are mostly straight, it's often hard to get things rolling without seeming too gay. It's suspicious for a straight guy to be interested in cocks, however, there is a loophole in the "Guy Rules" to allow a certain amount of banter about unusual penises, big, small, differently shaped, etc.
For example if a Big One should somehow come into view, either live or on video, even the straightest guy is allowed to joke about it, then make even more serious comments about it. Letting the other guy(s) "accidentally" see your Big One seems like a great way to trigger this whole process, while retaining plausible deniability if you have to scrub the mission.
A video application of the loophole: me and buddy clothed, watching straight porn, which we've done before but never any j/o. Tom Byron getting a long BJ , and my buddy says "where did his balls go?". I explain it to him, he says "but a guy can't stay like that for that long, it must be in the editing"...
Perfect opportunity for a mutual jerkoff in the guise of an edging technique lesson, AND since its a "lesson", there's a plausible reason to stare at each other the whole time. Kind of like "spotting" for your workout buddy in the gym. If I had just suggested we jerk off together, or just pulled out my cock, he would have freaked and I'd be the bad guy.
I bet we all could name several things we haven't experimented with, and would never experiment with. I mean, there are a lot of things out there. We can't possibly try them all.
Have you experimented with ceramics? bass fishing? wood turning? sky diving? grappa, restoring antique hammered dulcimers, rugby, coprophagia, contract bridge, harness racing, rocketry, motocross, fisting, escargot, peppadews, tapas, snowboarding, curling, bestiality, titty fucking a pre-op transexual? . . .If I experimented with frottage with a dolphin would I be hooked?. Do I really need to try out a prince albert before I can honestly declare it's not for me? do they even allow returns?
So. . .what is it that drives us to experiment with some things and ignore others? There's got to be some difference. Let's call that difference "interest".
Even though you haven't tried something before, you have to have at least some interest in order to motivate you to go ahead to the next step and experiment, which will either strengthen your interest, weaken it, or kill it altogether. But the point is, some interest has to exist before the experiment.
There really are guys (I'm not one of them) that really do have zero interestI'm talking 0.000 interest levelin erotic activities with other guys. Not even enough to bother with experimenting. Many of these truly, genuinely, 100.00% heterosexual males see their heterosexual status like a perfect game in baseball. If someone gets even one base hit off of you, even early in the 1st inning, you can't be credited with a perfect game.
On the other, um , hand, it's not like we have an official sanctioning body keeping score. We all have different opinions and criteria. For example, teen web forums are full of threads like: "Is it gay for a guy to...", "Is it gay for a guy to think about...", I've even heard old guys say that when they were a kid they debated if it was gay for a guy to jack off (the reasoning being: It's gay to give a guy a handjob, even though you're alone, you are still a guy, therefore it's gay). These scoring disputes can get complicated.
Hopefully all this ambiguity will force people to have meaningful conversations about their sexuality; rather than simply checking a box for "straight, gay, or bi", maybe we'll start showing each other our full pie charts. For example, I like how this forum lets you give percentages. I find it encouraging that so many guys here are able to admit their small percentage of "gay"-ness. I suspect many of those guys would have checked the "straight" box if the only choices were straight/gay/bi.
Even though I do have a small amount of interest in guys, I usually identify myself as straight in casual conversation, where there's no opportunity to elaborate. It's not just easier, it's the most truthful short answer. It's like someone asking "how you doing"? Even if I have a mild headache at that moment, I still say "fine". I don't feel like I'm living a lie if I do that.
To get back on topic... From the comments here, It doesn't seem like guys with Big Ones are more prone to experimentation, but if they do, their Big One is almost always the icebreaker/conversaton starter that gets things into a sexual mood. It's such a reliable play, why not run it as often as you can? I don't have a Big One, so this is just an educated guess.
When guys are mostly straight, it's often hard to get things rolling without seeming too gay. It's suspicious for a straight guy to be interested in cocks, however, there is a loophole in the "Guy Rules" to allow a certain amount of banter about unusual penises, big, small, differently shaped, etc.
For example if a Big One should somehow come into view, either live or on video, even the straightest guy is allowed to joke about it, then make even more serious comments about it. Letting the other guy(s) "accidentally" see your Big One seems like a great way to trigger this whole process, while retaining plausible deniability if you have to scrub the mission.
A video application of the loophole: me and buddy clothed, watching straight porn, which we've done before but never any j/o. Tom Byron getting a long BJ , and my buddy says "where did his balls go?". I explain it to him, he says "but a guy can't stay like that for that long, it must be in the editing"...
Perfect opportunity for a mutual jerkoff in the guise of an edging technique lesson, AND since its a "lesson", there's a plausible reason to stare at each other the whole time. Kind of like "spotting" for your workout buddy in the gym. If I had just suggested we jerk off together, or just pulled out my cock, he would have freaked and I'd be the bad guy.
Yes, very good essay Surfguy. I'll only say that we have a biological imperative to spread our seed as far and wide as possible, but no biological imperative for most of the other things you mention. Although people can be passionate about all those things, is there a distinction between passion and appetite?
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Definitely, and I think you nailed the answer.
I was arguing that someone who experiments and moves on is not equivalent to someone who never experimented in the first place.
In making that point I simply labeled the difference "interest" and moved on. I could have just as easily called it the "x-factor" because I had no idea what it was. But I think you found it: biological appetite.
Even with all the various things out there, the ones that involve sex or love or human relationships arouse a totally different kind of passion. I hear Tony Hawk loves his family even more than skateboarding.
