Straight men and the need for bisexual women

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Stronzo said:
As a gay man (and I'm a cum slut) even I don't like having anyone cum in my face. To me, when I witness it in straight pornography, it seems that it's nothing more than the continuing male agenda to remind women of their subervience as a gender.

I agree wholeheartedly with
you on this, Stronzo.

And I think as far as female on
female with regard to straight
men fantasizing...they don't
regard the women as gay, they
want to watch twice as many
naked females as usual...then,
insinuate themselves into the
scenario, where the females
now have a 'real' cock, to take
care of them. :wink:
 

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BronxBombshell said:
I think it vaguely insulting to my entire gender to think that just because something has been mainstreamed by anyone, that women will just rush out and do it. A woman who was going to be opposed to bisexual or gay experimentation is still going to be opposed. Women who might have felt guilty or conflicted after, may simply feel less so.

I think it's not 'vaguely' insulting, I think it's entirely so Bronxy.

What's most sobering to me is that the prevalence of the phenomenon is so overtly "de rigueur" in most pornography made for the heterosexual male that these very same males begin to actually buy the comment I referenced earlier:

"She's not gay, she's a Lesbian!"

I do, however, disagree with your comment; 'a woman who was going to be opposed to bisexual or gay experimentation is still going to be opposed'. Unfortunately the dictates of society still subliminally suggest that a woman's job is to "satisfy a man" but the reverse is not (in my opinion) likewise socially implied.

To be more specific, I've met at least three girls in their twenties who have admitted to trying female on female sex "for my boyfriend" in an effort to "keep him". That's pretty fucking scary to me. Two of these women I asked admitted that they had "zero" interest in it but were only doing it since their respective boyfriends were so relentless about it. When I asked one of these women if she'd asked her boyfriend to try a guy in a threesome (since she said she thought of that as "erotic"), her boyfriend's response? "I'm no fag!"

Indeed I've seen referenced on regular network television (I think it was "Gray's Anatomy") ... "yeah it was a threesome she suggested and not the good kind".

Fucking scary shit that. 'Good kind'?? Hmmm. Interesting.
 

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Stronzo said:
To be more specific, I've met at least three girls in their twenties who have admitted to trying female on female sex "for my boyfriend" in an effort to "keep him". That's pretty fucking scary to me. Two of these women I asked admitted that they had "zero" interest in it but were only doing it since their respective boyfriends were so relentless about it. When I asked one of these women if she'd asked her boyfriend to try a guy in a threesome (since she said she thought of that as "erotic"), her boyfriend's response? "I'm no fag!"

Indeed I've seen referenced on regular network television (I think it was "Gray's Anatomy") ... "yeah it was a threesome she suggested and not the good kind".

Fucking scary shit that. 'Good kind'?? Hmmm. Interesting.

I think those young women need to
grow a backbone and show the guy
the door! That is deplorable!

And yes, Stonzo, there does indeed
seem to be a double standard sometimes
about what is expected of others, as
opposed to oneself.

If a guy wants chick to try a threesome
with a female, he should be more than
willing to accede to her wishes for the
other way around or the relationship
is an autocracy.
 

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One thing i know IF i want to experiment someday will be just me and her, no man will have participation on it...

The experience i had was a suggestion to include another man, not a woman and didn't went along with his ideia, of course. And the same thing here too IF i want experiment with 2 men it will be my own ideia (and must be with David and Sam).:tongue:
 

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windtalkerways said:
And yes, Stonzo, there does indeed
seem to be a double standard sometimes
about what is expected of others, as
opposed to oneself.

If a guy wants chick to try a threesome
with a female, he should be more than
willing to accede to her wishes for the
other way around or the relationship
is an autocracy.

PRECISELY... and if he's unwilling then he's nothing but a self-centered asshole who's only interested in his own satisfaction. "What's good for the goose...." after all.

(btw? You rock windy!):wink:
 

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For the record, my girlfriend is bisexual and has been since before I met her. I don't find two girls together sexy, so I don't care. She thinks two guys together is sexy though, which is a large part of the reason why I decided I was bisexual for awhile. I probably would have done stuff with another guy and let her watch, even, but only because she would have liked it. After we discussed it more and she realized that I was actually indifferent towards most men, she was v. disappointed but still jokes about it every once in awhile.
 

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madame_zora said:
This is stupid heterosexual male thinking alrighty. I swear, most of the time I hate being straight. Nonetheless, there it is- not a gay bone in my body, more's the pity. Yes, it's men forcing us into their fantasy roles, and it certainly helps them not to think of us as real people. My favorite (and this happens more often than I'd like to think about) is when some fucktard finds out I have a grown daughter and asks if we could have a threesome! Can you believe that shit? I swear, there aren't enough guns in this world.

Very few women know how much most guys despise us. Work in enough male dominated places and smoke cigarettes, and you find out soon enough that we're all useless twats. Of course, that would be sadder if they didn't have a lot of good points. Men think of women in the basest of terms, but women do little to discourage that belief.

I agree with your sentiments in the first paragraph, I'll reload for ya...but the second is seriously harsh...and as generalised. I'm sure some men do despise some or in rare cases all women (fools!) and v.v. but not most, and I doubt that anything women could do would make any substantive change in the attitudes of such people. Why should women (or men for that matter) try to pigeonhole themselves into something more palatable to those making such an assessment? They shouldn't but we live in rather a 'labelled' world and I have seen it happen and it saddens me.

I'd like to believe I don't 'despise' anyone. It's such a waste of emotion and demands a level of detirmination I can't maintain. There are women I dislike, as there are men, but that is related to how they seem to me as a person and/or their interactions with me but not related to their gender or sexuality.

As for watching two women 'getting it on' I honestly wonder if it's largely an hyped myth that it's an ulimate fantasy for all or most men who may then fear appearing somehow less 'masculine' if they don't perpetuate it.

On a more basic level it may be also as much a case of 'fnarr fnarr' as it is one of genuine desire. I will say that for me it's certainly a more appealing concept visually and pyschologically at least on a superficial level than two men, perhaps it's because I am subconciously visualising myself as one of them (not as a women) whereas with two men, I really can't do that. It's not the easiest thing to articulate in a few sentences. That's theory, reality may be different, but I can't speak from experience there!

Pressurising women (or men for that matter) to partake in activities that make them uncomfortable, for ones own gratification well whichever way you cut it's just plain wrong, well it is to me anyway!
 

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Stronzo said:
As a gay man (and I'm a cum slut) even I don't like having anyone cum in my face. To me, when I witness it in straight pornography, it seems that it's nothing more than the continuing male agenda to remind women of their subervience as a gender.

It's humiliation in my book, and it would make me want to tie that pecker in a knot. Of course it's the male agenda. It's the money shot...woooohoooo

I can enjoy seeing two men together, probably because I love penis. I can see that straight or bi men might enjoy seeing two pussies have erotic fun. Maybe it's as simple as that.