Straight men are beautiful

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Wanting to look at a guy can't always be a sexual thing can it? I don't want to sleep with the men I want to stare at. To some extent I know I'm looking for ways to improve myself but it's mroe then that, people have mentioned 'appreciation' so I geuss that's it. I also appreciate the girls wearing bikinis in the steam room today.

I have an appreciation for everything, be it wallpaper or clouds I can love it. You really want us to understand how you feel but I don't exactly get it, when you look at a guy you can't know if he's straight or not even if he slots nicely into your view of straight men.
 

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Actually, you're more likely to be the one who has things mixed up. Most people will agree that no one is 100 percent anything. When I see someone who has 100% next to his name, all I think is that he is afraid to admit to at least a little gay aspect to his personality.

I think maybe the OP got his percentages mixed up.

And I shall just add, I thought it was the other way around. Gay men generally take more care of themselves, preening and shaving and whatnot. A lot of straight guys look rough and unkempt? I know I do, most days :biggrin1:


But I suppose different people will find different things beautiful. I really don't like Paris Hilton. She's got a weird face and a flat chest.
 

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I'm just amazed that once again just about every person on this thread has completely misunderstood everything I've said. WOW! :eek:

I'm not "attracted" to straight men. I think they're beautiful as beings. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!!!!!!! WHAT IS SO FUCKING HARD ABOUT THIS TOPIC FOR THE REST OF YOU TO UNDERSTAND?

I do not have a "fantasy" about these men. Shit!

I see straight men, or at least "masculine" men, these days and I think they're beautiful. If any of you have a problem with that, well then I suggest you fuckin deal with your problem!

I think the rich are more priveledged then straight men. I don't have a battle going on inside me, I see many other guys do and I find it annoying, I'm often unkept but this just makes me look messy, some people find it attractive but it dosn't have anything to do with being straight. The attraction your feeling is mostly fantasy as far as I know.
 

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I don't have "a view" of straight men. I can look at a man and tell if he is masculine or not. I also happen to be living in a very conservative area where most masculine men, whether the label is consistent with their actual sexual activity or not, use the label "straight" to define themselves.

Here's my "view" of straight men: they don't have sex with other guys.

Um. Hmm.... I think that's actually the dictionary definition of them.

A few articles for you:

Heterosexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Masculinity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jesus, people, why don't you all fuckin' crucify me for not having included "masculine" in my original statement?

I'll try to think hard before the next time I have the audacity to come to a male-centered forum and express my opinion that males are beautiful. Jeez. What was I thinking? I must be crazy!

Wanting to look at a guy can't always be a sexual thing can it? I don't want to sleep with the men I want to stare at. To some extent I know I'm looking for ways to improve myself but it's mroe then that, people have mentioned 'appreciation' so I geuss that's it. I also appreciate the girls wearing bikinis in the steam room today.

I have an appreciation for everything, be it wallpaper or clouds I can love it. You really want us to understand how you feel but I don't exactly get it, when you look at a guy you can't know if he's straight or not even if he slots nicely into your view of straight men.
 

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I'm happy to know your bisexual father and lesbian mother raised you well.

That being said, I don't have an "ideal" about straight men. I just think that they as a category are cool. Would you be more comfortable if I hated them? :confused:

Everyone at some level is "manufactured." Didn't your parents teach you how to speak and how to wipe your ass? That, in some ways, is "manufactured."

Yes my bisexual father, and lesbian mother taught me a lot. Well not that much really (I do like to teach myself things), but enough. In fact they taught me about appreciating real people, and deconstructing conventional, and commercial stereotypes, as a way to achieving a fulfilled and enriching life.

What is more, my father was stereotypically very attractive. And attractive to men and to women.

For the last time, the beauty I speak of seeing in straight men is more than just aesthetic.

Yes exactly, I'd just recommend getting to know some real guys over time, and being open to life rather than focussing too much on ideals. Real life is much more fun, interesting, and beautiful.
 

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I don't think my best friend and other straight male friends would appreciate me giving their names and addresses. :cool:

Lately, I'm noticing how beautiful straight men are. The ruggedness to them, the roughness, the desire to be tough, the attraction to a bit of danger and risk.
Well it sounds to me as though you are in some kind of fantasy land, given that you can't seem to refer to a single real straight man in your life, merely the manufactured image.
 

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I don't have "a view" of straight men. I can look at a man and tell if he is masculine or not.

What exactly is "masculine" to you? What context are you putting this in? Masculine is an abstraction like love.

I also happen to be living in a very conservative area where most masculine men, whether the label is consistent with their actual sexual activity or not, use the label "straight" to define themselves.

Here's my "view" of straight men: they don't have sex with other guys.

How do you really know that "straight men" don't have sex with men? Are some straight men that honest?

Um. Hmm.... I think that's actually the dictionary definition of them.

Jesus, people, why don't you all fuckin' crucify me for not having included "masculine" in my original statement?

Guy Love--
I think that you shouldn't be frustrated over this. People are responding to you. That is feedback. People get different views from the way you write, I guess. They are wanting more details and understanding from your posts. They were wanting more clarification.
We are the audience you are writing to. You start a thread that "straight men are beautiful". That indicates a bias. It seems that you are "into" straight guys. I, as a gay man, think that gay men are equally as beautiful. I don't feel that a straight man is any better than I. I don't share the opinion of some gay men that straight men are "pedestal worthy". Some gay men dig only straight guys. (That to me--is just a waste of energy.)

I'll try to think hard before the next time I have the audacity to come to a male-centered forum and express my opinion that (STRAIGHT) males are beautiful. Jeez. What was I thinking? I must be crazy!

Well, I think that you are entitled to express your opinion. I am entitled to express mine. You aren't crazy. We aren't giving you a hard time. We are just responding to what you've written.

I actually like talking about topics. I like understanding people and the only way to do that is by talking and asking questions. If people aren't getting what you are trying to express. Try getting at the heart of your topic by supporting what you say with concrete details.

People may not agree with what you say but it isn't the end of the world. Truth is a mutifaceted diamond.

For example: I am a black gay male but I don't go along with ideas and opinions offered by black people, gay people, and men. That doesn't negate that I am not: black enough, gay enough or male enough. It just means that I am different. My beliefs and thoughts are different on things.
 

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I'm just amazed that once again just about every person on this thread has completely misunderstood everything I've said. WOW! :eek:

I'm not "attracted" to straight men. I think they're beautiful as beings. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!!!!!!! WHAT IS SO FUCKING HARD ABOUT THIS TOPIC FOR THE REST OF YOU TO UNDERSTAND?

I do not have a "fantasy" about these men. Shit!

I see straight men, or at least "masculine" men, these days and I think they're beautiful. If any of you have a problem with that, well then I suggest you fuckin deal with your problem!
I was not crucifying you, I was just pointing out that it is masculine, not necessisarily straight, that you admire. Hence my next post, which elicited this response from you:

Compelling though I find your evidence that Mike Rowe is gay, I don't really care either way. He's a beautiful man no matter what.
And I agree; I enjoy his "Dirty Jobs" show, I enjoy the other shows that he hosts. He is a beautiful man. I read his biography on Discovery dot com, and it is as much what was conspicuously left out as what was left in, that makes me think he is probably gay.

But my whole point is, in your original, and subsequent posts, you were careful to make the distinction between masculine gay men and real straight men, and proceeded to use a masculine gay man as your example of straight beauty. Nothing wrong with your admiration, but I hope you can see it for what it is.
 

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This thought would never occur to most straight men because they do indeed take their superior social status for granted. I mean, most would agree that straight men are the most privileged members of society. So, wouldn't it go without saying that being a straight man is "cool"?

Actually, if I were to use "straight male terminology" I would say something like, "Being a straight guy is cool," or, "Being a straight guy rocks." Or, actually, for most straight men the thought itself wouldn't even occur to them.

Take out the pseudo-marxist crap about superior status and cool. It looks to me like it just obfuscates your thesis. It's already obfuscated to damn near the point of invisibility.

Perhaps if you could explicitly separate out the sexual component it would make more sense. For example...Radial aircraft engines, scorpionfish, iron pyrite crystals, Tanning's painting Guardian Angels, Fourier optics, Macbeth, celestial alignments (good near-alignment last night, the sun, crescent moon, and Venus), the Mauser C-96, Alberio, and the Mid-Atlantic Ridge are beautiful, but I have no urge to go to bed with any of them.

Not that I would admit it if I did.
 

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Lately, I'm noticing how beautiful straight men are. The ruggedness to them, the roughness, the desire to be tough, the attraction to a bit of danger and risk. I know, not all straight men fall under this category, but most it seems do.

Lately, I just think that straight men are the most beautiful things on earth. Lately, I love men's health magazines; dirt bike magazines; I love guys who wear beat up, somewhat torn and dirty jeans, somewhat messed up hair. Fuck, they are so beautiful! I sometimes pass by a sporting goods store where there's a poster of a man with a surf board beside him, about to go surfing in the ocean. I have literally stood and stared at the poster for two minutes or more, just in awe of how beautiful the scene is. The squareness of his shoulders, the embarking on an adventure. Straight men are so necessary to life!
Mmmmmm.... is your gay 1% speaking? or have I just misunderstood your appreciation? I mean, it sounds like you feel nearly attracted by straight men (I am not convinced by homoeroticism, but anyway...).

I can, up to a point agree that straight men are necessary to life (at least for procreation: and i do not mean that a man MUST procreate, i just mean that straight men usually -less usually than once, ok!-do).

I do not recognize myself in the description (as you pointed out, you have not described an all-comprising-category), nonetheless I feel different from women, gay men, masculine gay men (not better, different, with my own ideas, temper, dreams that are closer to other straight guys I know).

In other words, I am straight, masculine, but sensitive and very romantic (some girls said me I am a gentleman), I am moody, stubborn and not sporty at all.
 

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So men in the United States do not make more money than women? So gay men in the United States do not face any discrimination and live as freely and are as socially accepted as gay men? I wasn't aware of that.

Take out the pseudo-marxist crap about superior status and cool. It looks to me like it just obfuscates your thesis.
 

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Well, it probably goes without saying that any statement made on a sexualized forum is going to be taken in a sexualized context. But, no, I didn't mean it sexually. I'm actually sorry I even started this thread because it seems to have really sent a lot of people over the edge. It's very ironic that a lot of gay men and bisexual men talk on and on about the need for tolerance, and yet they can be so darned intolerant sometimes.

This thread is a mess and the topic has been ruined for me by all the nonsense on this thread already. Sorry. :mad:

Mmmmmm.... is your gay 1% speaking? or have I just misunderstood your appreciation? I mean, it sounds like you feel nearly attracted by straight men (I am not convinced by homoeroticism, but anyway...).

I can, up to a point agree that straight men are necessary to life (at least for procreation: and i do not mean that a man MUST procreate, i just mean that straight men usually -less usually than once, ok!-do).

I do not recognize myself in the description (as you pointed out, you have not described an all-comprising-category), nonetheless I feel different from women, gay men, masculine gay men (not better, different, with my own ideas, temper, dreams that are closer to other straight guys I know).

In other words, I am straight, masculine, but sensitive and very romantic (some girls said me I am a gentleman), I am moody, stubborn and not sporty at all.