Straight men don't engage in sexual activity with other men

[MickeyLee]

self absorbed.
i am not following you around from thread to thread.
i am a post whore.
i do that whole thread to thread thing out of habit.
:smile:

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

Well I don't know her and she does not know me so how can she tell me what an ex of mine did if she does not know me? Answer that. My sex life is none of her business and she had no right to comment on it. She said it as an INSULT and you know it.

Don't tell me what I know. You're on a site about big dicks, you'll find people speculate about each other's sex lives a fair bit (sometimes at each other's request, sometimes not) often with little or no knowledge to back up their speculations, you can get pissy about it and have loads of arguments or you can ignore it and move on.

 

[BlackGirl]

Don't tell me what I know. You're on a site about big dicks, you'll find people speculate about each other's sex lives a fair bit (sometimes at each other's request, sometimes not) often with little or no knowledge to back up their speculations, you can get pissy about it and have loads of arguments or you can ignore it and move on.

I'd rather ignore it, but when you have a lunatic telling you that your ex outed himself as a gay man, that you are self-absorbed, that you are intimidated by gay men and all that other jazz, it's kind of hard to do that. She's made all of these false assumptions about me and I didn't even know this woman existed. Yet, she has the scoop on me. Crazy!

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

I'd rather ignore it, but when you have a lunatic telling you that your ex outed himself as a gay man, that you are self-absorbed, that you are intimidated by gay men and all that other jazz, it's kind of hard to do that. She's made all of these false assumptions about me and I didn't even know this woman existed. Yet, she has the scoop on me. Crazy!

OK :wink:

 

[MickeyLee]

Well I don't know her and she does not know me so how can she tell me what an ex of mine did if she does not know me? Answer that. My sex life is none of her business and she had no right to comment on it. She said it as an INSULT and you know it.

you don't understand sarcasm, do you?

something like exaggerated speculation is just right over the top of your head.

and the whole time you never objected to being called a homophobe

eta: ummm.. see.... i never mentioned being intimidated by gay men. you did. so..... yep :biglaugh:

 

[BlackGirl]

you don't understand sarcasm, do you?

something like exaggerated speculation is just right over the top of your head.

and the whole time you never objected to being called a homophobe

When I said "intimidated by gay men" that addressed your accusation of homophobia. You are ridiculous.

 

[MickeyLee]

When I said "intimidated by gay men" that addressed your accusation of homophobia. You are ridiculous.

*pets* you're lovely.

 

[L_egit]

so said the straight man

I don't see how the attempt at false equivalence negates the point that the straight seduction fetish is alive and well here, and every time the thread comes up, the same "No, a buncha straight guys want it, but they're straight" argument comes up.

They're closeted bisexuals. That's not the end of the world. Just don't pretend its something else for the sake of propagating a silly fantasy. Attempting to get a lesbian to like guys is similarly ridiculous.

Also, the little smarmy comment at the end doesn't really help your point. If you've got some beef with blackgirl, cool beans. Go talk to some admins. Taking shots at me in passing because I'm straight while attempting to to denounce a phobia? Hypocritical.

 

[MickeyLee]

I don't see how the attempt at false equivalence negates the point that the straight seduction fetish is alive and well here, and every time the thread comes up, the same "No, a buncha straight guys want it, but they're straight" argument comes up.

straight seduction is no different from men hitting on/lusting after/obsessing over women out of their league or who are not interested in them.

it's only shuffled over to a fetish because it makes heterosexual males uncomfortable. where as hitting on disinterested females doesn't seem to pester a large majority of straight men, not in the slightest.

They're closeted bisexuals. That's not the end of the world. Just don't pretend its something else for the sake of propagating a silly fantasy. Attempting to get a lesbian to like guys is similarly ridiculous.

they are closeted bisexuals by your definition. by mine they are curious, they have a kink, they are experimenting. one offs simply don't have the power to sway a person unless there is a continued desire.

why is it so damn important to accuse someone of being closeted, closeted carries too much shame with it. in flux seems much more accepting of an standard outside your own.

Also, the little smarmy comment at the end doesn't really help your point. If you've got some beef with blackgirl, cool beans. Go talk to some admins. Taking shots at me in passing because I'm straight while attempting to to denounce a phobia? Hypocritical.

pointing out where you stand on the topic isn't smarmy or hypocritical. it's simply saying your view point is the view point of a straight man. mine is from a queer female gender queer... my POV is as experience specific as yours is.

i am just getting sick to death of men having there sexuality pigeon holed to make other people feel more secure with their own choices.

 

[L_egit]

pointing out where you stand on the topic isn't smarmy or hypocritical. it's simply saying your view point is the view point of a straight man. mine is from a queer female gender queer... my POV is as experience specific as yours is.

i am just getting sick to death of men having there sexuality pigeon holed to make other people feel more secure with their own choices.

You're sick to death of men having their sexuality pigeon holed, yet its not smamy or hypocrital to point out the sexual preference of someone in a debate?

Right.

straight seduction is no different from men hitting on/lusting after/obsessing over women out of their league or who are not interested in them.

it's only shuffled over to a fetish because it makes heterosexual males uncomfortable. where as hitting on disinterested females doesn't seem to pester a large majority of straight men, not in the slightest.

Sure, straight seduction does a lot of attempting to seduce women. If, however, we had repeated threads about how to 'break her lesbian streak!!!111', we'd have a completely different scenario.

Its not shuffled over to a fetish because it makes heterosexual males uncomfortable. Its a fetish because its a fetish. That doesn't, once again, stated repeatedly, mean its a bad thing. The majority of people here are size fetishists, small or large. There's no pejorative aspect to that. If there was, I'd hope that a sexual support forum wouldn't be the place to be taking stabs at people because of it.

they are closeted bisexuals by your definition. by mine they are curious, they have a kink, they are experimenting. one offs simply don't have the power to sway a person unless there is a continued desire.

why is it so damn important to accuse someone of being closeted, closeted carries too much shame with it. in flux seems much more accepting of an standard outside your own.

Why is it an accusation? Why do you assume that being bisexual, but attempting to use the moniker of straight is a bad thing? There's social pressures involved in the normalization of outwards sexual orientation, but an accurate description of what someone's preferences are isn't derogatory.

You're bringing in insecurities which simply aren't in the words I've set out and intentionally distorting what's said to the point of going 100% against the words I'm putting down.

Calm down. Relax. I get that you're having a 'tiff' with blackgirl. Go back and read what I wrote before screaming your head off.

 

[BlackGirl]

You're sick to death of men having their sexuality pigeon holed, yet its not smamy or hypocrital to point out the sexual preference of someone in a debate?

Right.

Sure, straight seduction does a lot of attempting to seduce women. If, however, we had repeated threads about how to 'break her lesbian streak!!!111', we'd have a completely different scenario.

Co-sign. The harassment of lesbians by straight men would NEVER be tolerated in the same way that the harassment of heterosexual men by gay/bi men is. This was one thing that HenryMiller had pointed out and I agree with it. If a newbie like myself can observe this double standard then others can too. Also, in the thread titled "Gay men, do you envy straight men", I forget which forum it's on, it was an all out straight male/female bashfest but a certain someone didn't roll their arse up in there talking about the intolerance that was going on.

Please!

 

[B_henry miller]

Co-sign. The harassment of lesbians by straight men would NEVER be tolerated in the same way that the harassment of heterosexual men by gay/bi men is. This was one thing that HenryMiller had pointed out and I agree with it.

Glad you agree with a point I made. But since this is a complex world, I feel like pointing out the complexity here.

In an atmosphere such as "Large Penis Support Group" (which is definitely fringe), I DO believe there is a type of harassment of straight men by some (not all!) gay and bisexual men. But we should remember that in larger mainstream society it is the other way around. In larger society it is the straight men who harass us gay and bisexual men. I think that this is part of the antagonism. In fringe situations like LPSG, gay and bisexual men enjoy a type of "social entitlement" that straight men enjoy in larger society -- and this provides the opportunity to vent frustrations.

And straight male harassment of lesbians isn't common because straight males like to fantasize about two women together. Granted, lesbians are sometimes the victims of hate crimes by straight males. But generally speaking, lesbian sexuality is not perceived as a threat to male heterosexuality. Male bisexuality and homosexuality IS often perceived as a threat to male heterosexuality. (This argument could probably be taken into the realm of gender reassigment. Straight males are probably far less threatened by female-to-male transgendered people, than they are by male-to-female transgendered people.)

When I think about it, the issue of homophobia and gay bashing is probably in many ways an issue of masculinity. It's an unusual relationship we bisexual and gay males have with our heterosexual counterparts.

 

[MickeyLee]

:grumpy:

being the closest thing to a lesbian female in this thread... gotta say y'all know nothing of being a queer woman.... really, nothing.

the only reason lesbians are not harassed on LPSG is because there are so few women here of an honestly 80% queer bent.

eta: i don't have a tiff with Blackgirl.. i have issues with her attitude in general toward queer people. as i suggest read her other posts. at least half of her history as subtle and not so subtle digs are queer folk.

also.. if you are bat blind do not attempt a response without your glasses on. psa this am.

 

[BlackGirl]

Glad you agree with a point I made. But since this is a complex world, I feel like pointing out the complexity here.

In an atmosphere such as "Large Penis Support Group" (which is definitely fringe), I DO believe there is a type of harassment of straight men by some (not all!) gay and bisexual men. But we should remember that in larger mainstream society it is the other way around. In larger society it is the straight men who harass us gay and bisexual men. I think that this is part of the antagonism. In fringe situations like LPSG, gay and bisexual men enjoy a type of "social entitlement" that straight men enjoy in larger society -- and this provides the opportunity to vent frustrations.

And straight male harassment of lesbians isn't common because straight males like to fantasize about two women together. Granted, lesbians are sometimes the victims of hate crimes by straight males. But generally speaking, lesbian sexuality is not perceived as a threat to male heterosexuality. Male bisexuality and homosexuality IS often perceived as a threat to male heterosexuality. (This argument could probably be taken into the realm of gender reassigment. Straight males are probably far less threatened by female-to-male transgendered people, than they are by male-to-female transgendered people.)

When I think about it, the issue of homophobia and gay bashing is probably in many ways an issue of masculinity. It's an unusual relationship we bisexual and gay males have with our heterosexual counterparts.

Henry you make excellent points, I agree. And I still stand by what I said, straight men are seen as the manliest of men by the gay/bi men that are obsessed with them. These men are envious that only women are the apple of a hetero man's eye. Notice how angry these type of men get when they come on here to celebrate taking down a straight man and then someone chimes in "but if he had sex with you he was not straight". They get so angry that you ruined their "straight man fantasy" by calling a spade a spade, and then the usual accusation of you being a homophobe for telling it like it is is not too far behind...lol..This is why MickeyLee tried to "stick it to me" by falsely stating that an ex of mine turned gay, that was supposed to punish me for having the audacity to call out these type of men on their BS. It kills them inside that a man could only have eyes for a woman, which is kind of silly because there are enough gay/bi/curious men to go around for them to sample, but that elusive "straight" man represents their ideal version of masculinity so all those gay/bi/curious men simply don't measure up for them.

 

[BlackGirl]

:grumpy:


eta: i don't have a tiff with Blackgirl.. i have issues with her attitude in general toward queer people. as i suggest read her other posts. at least half of her history as subtle and not so subtle digs are queer folk.

Stop lying! I have no problem with gays in general, the only beef I had is with the small group of gay/bi men who harass straight men about their orientation because their hatred of women blinds them to the fact that only a woman will do for a hetero man.

 

[poultrygeist]

I don't think she's lying. It appeared that way to me also from this and other threads as well. There just seems to be an angry element you appear to be projecting towards gay or bi men and not just those who are harassing straight men about their orientation. I sincerely hope that's not the case.

 

[BlackGirl]

There just seems to be an angry element you appear to be projecting towards gay or bi men and not just those who are harassing straight men about their orientation.

Please copy and paste any comments that I have made towards the general gay/bi community that contain this angry element that you speak of.

 

[B_Castello]

When I first came here, I had my bestfriend, who is straight, and we kinda got a affair... Anyhow, I had many questions about ''straight'' men and I did a post about. For people that have been here for a long time, it can be ennoying with all the post about this, but when you are new here, I think it is a place where you can dare ask those kind of question about straight men.

Since, I received a lot of private message here from straight men, wich are nice compliment, and I understand that's all there is, and it's very cool like that. I also understand that I can give a straight men a compliment about his appearence, and he would problably appreciate it, without going any further then that

 

[yoursgetsmine]

I agree in general.....however, some straight male escorts engage in male to male strictly for the money (regardless of the fact they can or do cum) and if you go to prison, well, you just may find yourself in a compromising "position" that you may not control...........so I imagine there are exceptions to the fact that "if you engage in some type of male to male sexual activity" it isn't ALWAYS because you're not straight.

 

[poultrygeist]

Please copy and paste any comments that I have made towards the general gay/bi community that contain this angry element that you speak of.

My computer only has a terrabyte of memory and is therefore not strong enough to cut and paste that much material. :biggrin1: