straight men have sex with men - shocker?!

[col1974]

Is this news to you or is it old hat???

From: One in 10 straight men have sex with men - Gay Men and Gay Dating at RealJock
One in 10 straight men have sex with men

By RealJock Staff
Published Sep 20, 2006
Nearly 10 percent of self-identified straight men reported having sex with at least one man in the past 12 months, a New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene survey of 4,193 men found.

Almost 70 percent of the men who said they had sex with men were married. Many admitted to not using protection.

"Doctors need to ask patients about specific sexual practices instead of relying on self-reported sexual orientation to assess risk for unsafe sexual practices and risk for sexually transmitted diseases," Preeti Pathela, who led the study, wrote in his report.

"Public health prevention messages should target risky sexual activities, such as unprotected receptive anal sex, and should not be framed to appeal solely to gay-identified men."

The study also found that straight-identified men who have sex with men report fewer sex partners than gay men; straight-identified men who have sex with men report fewer STDs in the past year than gay men; straight-identified men who have sex with men are less likely than gay men to report using a condom during their last sexual encounter; and straight-identified men who have sex with men are more likely to be foreign born than gay men.

 

[D_Jared Padalicki]

Suprising, but on lpsg not so suprising. Although, a bit expereince of both can't hurt I think.

 

[BigDallasDick8x6]

Quite a few years ago now, the safe sex literature changed from "if you are a gay man" to "if you are a gay man OR [emphasis added] a man who has sex with men" blah blah blah.

Clearly there must have been men who were answering "no" to the question "Are you gay?" but would answer "yes" to the question "Do you ever have sex with other men?" Because you don't have to be effeminate to get an STD. It's about behavior, not labels. Just another indication of how irrelevant labels have become.

 

[445768]

These men are not heterosexual. They are gay and bisexual but just closeted. If these men really were straight or hets they wouldn't be having sex with men in the first place.

 

[D_Andreas Sukov]

Quite a few years ago now, the safe sex literature changed from "if you are a gay man" to "if you are a gay man OR [emphasis added] a man who has sex with men" blah blah blah.

Clearly there must have been men who were answering "no" to the question "Are you gay?" but would answer "yes" to the question "Do you ever have sex with other men?" Because you don't have to be effeminate to get an STD. It's about behavior, not labels. Just another indication of how irrelevant labels have become.

+1

 

[MarkLondon]

Yes. And if you do the maths, you'll realise that "gay" men are a minority of the men who have sex with men.

 

[D_Humper E Bogart]

Woah, so if you have sex with men, you're now straight?!
I know that broad stroke labels aren't the best tools in the world, but if someone is spending more time pumping men then women, then the truth doesn't hurt anyone but oneself.

 

[B_Bonky]

people are goofy as hell. Lots of folks in denial.

 

[fortiesfun]

Yes. And if you do the maths, you'll realise that "gay" men are a minority of the men who have sex with men.

Not sure if everyone got this, but it is rather astounding when you really think about it.

 

[houtx48]

you have that right bonky

 

[BigDallasDick8x6]

Back in th 40's, Kinsey found that 30% of the guys had had at least one sexual experience with another guy. Were 30% of American men in the 40's gay?? Not hardly. Some str8 guys sometimes have sex with one another. That's the only possible conclusion (unless you totally throw out Kinsey).

 

[_avg_]

These men are not heterosexual. ... If these men really were straight or hets they wouldn't be having sex with men in the first place.

By definition, this is true.

'Labels' are not irrelevant!!

That's complete bullshit, espoused only by utter morons who are fully out of touch with reality.

Labels are what we use to describe the real world, and in the real world there are men who do not and never would have sex with other men. These men are NOT THE SAME as men who do or who would have sex with other men. Where there is a real difference, a distinct label is warranted and indeed necessary.

To use a practical example, imagine if pornos dropped their 'labels.' How would porn companies sell their product to their intended audience? Many people have no interest in bisexual porn -- from the very study linked in the OP, probably close to 90% of the male audience. I would never buy from a company [again] that didn't give me fair warning I was buying something I don't want.

Online dating is another, far more serious example. Two women I know stopped online dating when the "straight" guys they met admitted to having sex with other men -- one stopped dating, altogether. Most women I know would never get involved with a gay or bisexual man, and if such women are looking to get involved with a man they need a way to weed-out the ones who like dick.

The stigmas and taboos surrounding the 'labels' are becoming largely irrelevant, but so long as there exists a real difference between them, the use of different 'labels' is justified and necessary.

 

[B_Bonky]

That's complete bullshit, espoused only by utter morons who are fully out of touch with reality.

Drama much?

 

[D_Andreas Sukov]

i like how using porn as an analogy is the best option on lpsg lol

 

[Countryguy63]

Drama much?

hahaha, exactly what I was thinking! And so are the women who "quit dating"

 

[_avg_]

Some str8 guys sometimes have sex with one another. That's the only possible conclusion (unless you totally throw out Kinsey).

By definition, this is about as possible as being located north of the north pole.

What the Kinsey results show is (a) some men who self-identified as straight were not, and/or (b) some men who self-identified as straight had "at least one sexual experience with another guy," which may not (in fact) mean they were bisexual. [Murkier waters, there; was the choirboy who got taken advantage of by the priest really "bisexual?" If it's only consensual sex that counts, at what age do you make the cut-off? Does the one-and-done pubescent 'experimentation' count and, again, if so, at what age do you make the cut-off?]

The point being, self-identification only goes so far...

 

[D_Pubert Stabbingpain]

The thing about "studies" is the results are of those who admit to it. There are usually twice as many who don't, even if it is anonymous and done on paper instead of in person. For example, because the OP's linked article did not give me enough info, I searched further and found this little gem on the same study with more info:

Beyond Homophobia Hidden Minorities

About half way down:

"Sure enough, those who were “interviewed” by the computer were significantly more likely to say they were attracted to people of their same sex (17.8% vs 12.8% of those interviewed by a live person). They also were more likely to report having sex with a person of their same sex (14.2% vs 9.1%)."

Add to that the fact that many men would not even give accurate answers over the phone to a computer (we all know that they can get your name from your phone number, right?) for fear that someone may "find out" and you can tack on an even higher percentage. And you can also add online hookups!

"On the down low" is a lot more popular than people think.

 

[_avg_]

Drama much?

Ridicule is often the refuge of those who are unable to refute an argument.

 

[_avg_]

hahaha, exactly what I was thinking! And so are the women who "quit dating"

Your derision only reflects your ignorance or insensitivity. Relationships are primarily built upon trust, and when your faith in peoples' trustworthiness has been shaken you are far less likely to be willing to jump back into the water with the sharks again...

 

[B_Bonky]

Ridicule is often the refuge of those who are unable to refute an argument.

Do I really have to point out the obvious:

That's complete bullshit, espoused only by utter morons who are fully out of touch with reality.

Your posting makes apes sound like Cicero.