Straight roomie...

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Ummm, Freddie, somehow you got this switched.
Damn, Did it again. I will go back and FIX it.

I just can't understand this hullabloo about this subject, Being gay, straight or bi is about a guy. his preferences, and what is arousing to him and which gender he prefers to be intimate with.

A guy that has a definite preference (is mainlyturned on by) girls is straight any way you want to slice it, it still comes out straight.

A guy that has a definite preference (is mainly turned on by) other guys is gay anyway you want to slice it, define it or defend it. The guy is still gay.

And that guy turned on by both gays and gals is bi. He might have a slight preference for guys, if so he is bi with a leaning toward being gay.

And thsoe guys turned on by both guys and gals, with a slight leaning for girls is bi with a leaning being straight.

Guys that have alsolutely the same attraction for both guys and gals is bi, pure and simple.

People falling somewhere on the percent chart is probalby true. However, I don't think we have a fool proof system to arrive at that percent for people. Too many factors.

There are gays that are not only in the closet, but function as straight people. They still are turned on by guys. They just fantasize about guys when they are having sex with their wife. And those guys usually are into gay porn or have fellas on the side or get caught at the glory hole. It comes out some way some how. Truth is hard to hide.

BTW, DC you have explained this using different terminology, but if I understand you correctly we see eye to eye on this. i'm having a problem figuring out wha the problem is.
 

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My comment simply meant that you can call youself whatever you choose to call yourself, but that does not change reality.
I understood you perfectly. :smile: DC_DEEP did you lapse into straight talk again? You know not all gay men are bilingual like yourself. :tongue::biggrin1:

 

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haha, no I don't think that would be a problem! You guys could even do it at the same time if you want!


If he really 100% st8... he don't accept ur BJ proposal, but personally I don't think he is... but don't rush the things expect the right moment it will come...

KJGUY... can I also join with the guys to ur BJ! by the way I already see ur vid man!!! U ARE HOT!!!!
 

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Of course there's a difference. What's your point? Put another way, how is it that you're comfortable with the widely accepted system on this board of "% straight, % gay" but surprisingly refuse to admit degrees of sexuality?
How did you get so confused? I have not "refused to admit degrees of sexuality." Actually, that's what you keep doing. The LPSG percentages field in the profile proves my point, not yours. Unfortunately, the choices available when filling out that portion of the profile leave a little room for confusion. If someone marks "100% straight", that means the person is 100% straight. If they mark "100% gay", that means they are 100% gay. If they mark 90% or 80% or 70% or 60% straight, that means that they are bisexual, with a tendency to prefer opposite gender. 50% means they are equal-opportunity bisexual. 40%, 30%, 20%, or 10% straight means that they are bisexual, with a tendency to prefer same gender. It's a guesstimate, and it's also self-reporting.
Someone has a damaged logic center.
Yes, I would say you do.
Nonsense. By your definition, there are no straight people, and at least 80% of the population is lying when describing themselves as straight.
Again, by my definition, there is a spectrum, it's just that by my definition, straight men don't have sex with men, and gay men don't have sex with women, and those who have sex with both are bisexual. But by your definition, straight men do have sex with men, therefore, by your definition, all men are straight.
Your definition, in addition to directly conflicting with accepted usage, failure to conform to any dictionary standard, and generally being unachievable, is also in direct contradiction with the works and definitions of experts in the field, as repeatedly illustrated. Where you get your authority is beyond anyone here.

You don't get to label other people, and you especially don't get to do it without any academic, scientific, linguistic, or societal grounds.
Experts in the field? You quoted Wikipedia. Great source! Do you know who writes Wikipedia?

And you know less about my credentials than you do about sexuality.
 

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How did you get so confused? I have not "refused to admit degrees of sexuality." Actually, that's what you keep doing.

Great writing & logic DC_DEEP, always good to read!

A simple visualization: if you have a line with 100%gay at one end, and 100%straight at the other; ALL that's in between is simply bisexual, with the 50% gay and 50% straight meeting in the middle, as a point of equal interest and action with partners of both sexes.

Cheers, -FM:smile:
 

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If I said that I was sick and tired of something that some black people do, there would be a problem, wouldn't there? So cut the heterosexism and stop slamming gay guys!

What does her being black have anything to do with the topic at hand?

I think she was saying like others that guys are are 100% straight probably wouldn't accept a blow job from another guy. Not all men are curious that way. I am sure those who identify with being straight who would let you do that are probably in a bit of denial, and more than likely closeted bi or gay.
 

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I know. I am one of those people. Happily married. No sexual interest at this point either of us. There is a real love there. But gals don't arosue me at all. Only guys do.

So what am I? I consider myself to be a closet gay, because inside my head that is the way I think. And that is what really determines what you really are. No, my spouse has no clue or if she does, she hasn't acknowledged it. I look at the guys pics here and get hard looking at them. The gals pics never turn me own.

OK I am going to ask this and hope you don't get mad. How can you be happily married if you have no interest in her, and you have basically omitted a portion of your life? Do you omit it because you think she doesn't care, or do you omit it because you know that it would hurt her to know?

I don't know if I could marry a guy I presumed was straight, but who wouldn't touch me because he was basically gay. That means the relationship was based upon a lie. A relationship isn't based on sex, but it is a big part. Wouldn't you be happier in a relationship with a man you could be friends with and be sexually aroused by? Wouldn't she want the same with another guy? Why stay married?
 

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I disagree with the notion that any time a man has sex with another man (especially if he's drunk), that automatically makes a man 'bi".

I'm 100% gay, but I've experimented with girls I really cared for. They were very close bonding experiences with some very special women, but I never fantasize about women or ever think about having sex with a woman otherwise.

I am not any percent "straight" because of those experiences. I do have some un-regrettable, strong memories with some very close friends.

Men are men. Unlike women, we'll (generally) screw a sheep if we're horny enough. That doesn't make us straight, gay, bi or anything else. It just makes us the more sex-driven of the species.

I think in your case you had girls that were friends that wanted to be more than friends with you and your emotional connection turned sexual for that one time. That is different. Most 100% straight guys, who are truly straight, do not go around specifically looking for sex with gay men. Experimentation with someone is one thing, to do it repeatedly over and over again, there might be something else there, it could be denial, but if a man is getting a blow job from another man, he more than likely is repressing bi feelings, you don't have to be 50/50 to be bi...he could be 90%, 10% gay, he is still bi.
 

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Wish I was one of those 15% - but I guess sexual abuse counts...


Sexual abuse doesn't count, if I looked at sexual abuse, I would be bi as well.

These are my definitions:

Straight means you like those of the opposite sex
Bi- means you are willing to look at both genders for sexual gratification
gay-means you like those of the same sex


Sexual abuse has nothing to do with your preference, that has to do with the manipulation and depravity of an abuser.
 

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I have had sex with women before. I do not have any sexual desire for women, at all. That's why I describe myself as gay. !

By your own logic you are indeed BI, if a single experience in your life negates your Straight status and you admitted here you did just that, then by your own definition you are a BI man....whether you desire women or not, you have had sex with them and that is no different to a man having a chance encounter with another man, out of curiosity, circumstance or oppportunity. Describing yourself Gay when by your own definition you are Bi, is soemthing close to hypocrisy surely.Or is it one rule for you and another for the rest of the world?

I don't understand why YOU feel you have the right to label everyone, it's their choice, their life and their identity. It has nothing to do with you either way.... What gives? Did a boyfriend fuck you over for a girl?
 

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OK I am going to ask this and hope you don't get mad. How can you be happily married if you have no interest in her, and you have basically omitted a portion of your life? Do you omit it because you think she doesn't care, or do you omit it because you know that it would hurt her to know?

I don't know if I could marry a guy I presumed was straight, but who wouldn't touch me because he was basically gay. That means the relationship was based upon a lie. A relationship isn't based on sex, but it is a big part. Wouldn't you be happier in a relationship with a man you could be friends with and be sexually aroused by? Wouldn't she want the same with another guy? Why stay married?
This is more complex than all of us can imagine. I probably overstated my case here. I was refering to the inate desires and what really arouses me. But I am not at 100 % gay. I am leaning more that way now, but earlier in life I wasn't 100 %. I did enjoy sex with my wife. It was better than masturbation. But pictures of women just don't turn me on like pictures of men.

My wife ended the regular sex after the birth of our last child. She is the one who said no.
 

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Unfortunately, the choices available when filling out that portion of the profile leave a little room for confusion. If someone marks "100% straight", that means the person is 100% straight.
Yeah, except you keep saying that "straight" means "100% straight".
If they mark 90% or 80% or 70% or 60% straight, that means that they are bisexual
So someone that puts 99% straight, 1% gay would have to say, "hi, I'm bisexual" to stay in your good graces?

That's insane. Most straight people are not 100% straight--in fact, it has been demonstrated numerous times in study after study that there truly are very few people who are honestly and truthfully 100% straight.

But by your definition, straight men do have sex with men, therefore, by your definition, all men are straight.
Nice try, but no. Do you even read before you post? Straight men generally have sex with women ("clearly predominant preference for the opposite sex" should ring a bell). That's all there is to it. Your definition excludes anyone who has had an erotic dream about the same sex, anyone who has experimented in college, and anyone who might have had 47 female partners and one male relationship.

Experts in the field?
Yeah, experts in human sexuality, like Suzanne Frayser, William Yarber, Robin Sawyer, Spencer Rathus, Jeffrey Weeks, Gayle Rubin, and Carole Vance, to name a few. I never quoted Wikipedia, incidentally, but I wouldn't expect you to know that, since you're walled up in your haze of refusing to comprehend.

Seriously, pick up any text and quote for me the section where it describes straight people as 100% heterosexual, and bisexual as anyone in the 1-99% range. You can't, because it's a ludicrous idea not supported by research, fact, or normal usage. The broadest commonly accepted range is the IQR.

You can then explain to me how the 85-90% of the population that is considered "straight" all falls into the very end of the scale, despite biology and logic. You might then justify how you see a continuum with hard edges where 99% of the scale is "bisexual" when in fact this is the smallest of the three groups. Then you can explain what good a scale is where 95% or more of the people fall into a single point, rather than spread evenly around it, as occurs whenever an actual study is performed.

Maybe when you work your way through that exercise, you'll realize that where the line between heterosexual and bisexual is drawn isn't at 99.99999999%, and in fact there is no line. For one person, it might be 79%, for someone else it might be 85%, for a third person it might be 75%. It is unrealistic and dishonest to expect that straight people achieve your required level of 100% purity--I'd be willing to wager that almost no one in the history of the world truly fits that bill.
And you know less about my credentials than you do about sexuality.
Not really, no. If you think someone who is 90% straight can't call himself straight, you're clearly not someone who has conducted studies or research into human behavior and sexuality. You might also know that by your continual resistance to cite any text supporting your ideas (because there are none), and the fact that you took a crack at the Wikipedia article without following the links it contains to legitimate and respected sites, studies, and bodies of research and instead used it to deflect from the actual statement of human sexuality experts (not Wikipedia authors) disagreeing with you.

Just face it. You've provided zero factual support and constructed a world for yourself that doesn't even remotely resemble the real one.
 

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does he know that u r into guys?

if so :

(a) just tell him u wanna suk his cok and wont tell anyone - best if he's (and you) are drunk!

If he doesnt know then refer to step (a)!!
 

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Gays (and bisexuals) are genetically deficient perverts who attempt to corrupt moral values by seducing (typically unsuccessfully) straight men by means that would be considered illegal in any court of law.

Quite a line from a guy who admits to being 30% gay (and probably is more) himself!
 

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I am a little confused by some of these posts. If a young man fantasies about other men but has never had sex with a man does that make him straight? Clearly not.

So given this simple premise it seems clear to me that what we describe as someones sexual preference (straight, gay or bi) is based on what they want or enjoy doing rather than what they actually do. Maybe the clue is in the fact that we call it a sexual preference.

The original poster simply asked about giving a straight friend a blow job. He is clearly talking about a guy that he doesn't think has ever messed around with another guy and has probably nevr had a blow job off him.

So to the question posed by some on here is whether a guy who has sex with a guy can call himslef straight. I think perhaps this is the wromg question. Surely the question in the context of this thread is "Does letting a guy suck your cock make you gay?" I really doubt it. Now a real straight guy might not enjoy sucking them to much but we weren't asking him to suck or touch anything were we.

Now to address the original question, have a drink together, get him horny (porn or talk about previous sexual encounters is giood) and reassure him that it is private and most unlikley to turn him gay.