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Let me just preface this by saying how much I appreciate that lots of different folks, all across the sexual orientation spectrum, can hang out and enjoy this site for what it's worth.

Today I'm writing as a 99% straight guy. I suppose my openmindedness might make me more or less gay depending on who you ask and where that person comes from. That's fine; go ahead and feel how you feel. For what it's worth, I don't feel threatened by admitting that big cocks, mine or someone else's, are nice to look at. In my experience, though rare, I have compared size with a few other dudes and it was fun. I don't feel comfortable taking it past that in practice, and everyone's permitted to fantasize how they wish.

So, I've noticed straight guys like me on here fit into one of three categories -- and the shades of grey between them may not amount to much. Anyway, there are straight guys on here who might feel like me -- straight in practice, not so narrow mentally, who can admit some attractions and interests with ease. I think there are other straight guys on here who are probably more sexually adventurous than I am, and have done more their share of same-sex behavior like oral sex and what not. And maybe if they haven't, they would want to and would go through it. Finally, there are some straight guys on here who are truly 100% straight, so straight in fact that they refuse to talk to other guys on here. Ladies, I hope you enjoy them. :)

I get it; we have a lot of attributes that make us different. I hope we feel encouraged to talk to people who are different than us on here. In chat, I have come across a few self-identified straight guys who are way less narrow than I am, so to speak; they're into and sexually do things I can't relate to. On the other hand, I've also talked to a few guys who either are outright uninterested in talking to another dude (for whatever reason) or wig out if I ask how big they are (given that they have a picture posted and I can't see it full-size).

If I were to reflect on this, I think that I too have my limits on chatting, but I hope they are more innocent than they let on. I'm interested in talking to guys who can relate to me -- pretty much hetero, hung, and willing to talk about their own experiences, learning when they found out how big they are, shit like that. And sometimes I'm explicit about that; I ask if guys in those shoes will talk to me. I'm fine with talking to people who are gayer than that. I just worry, even in a purely conversational sense, that I won't have much to say after so long. Would a bi guy or a gay guy be genuinely interested in learning how my college girlfriend told everybody and their mother on campus about my size? Or if girls always scrape me during oral? In the reverse, how much can I really add to a conversation about dudes that are hot and what sexually they'd want to do with them?

To be honest, you don't know this stuff until you start chatting. You can't know, other than what you can infer from someone's post history.

I'd just ask that we all take it easy and enjoy this site for what it is: a place for us dudes to wag our dicks around and talk about them, in a way that we -- some of us -- can't in our everyday lives. Fair enough?
 

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Would a bi guy or a gay guy be genuinely interested in learning how my college girlfriend told everybody and their mother on campus about my size? Or if girls always scrape me during oral?

I am afraid you don't know much about the Homo Homosexualis, dear.
God most likely lost count of how many LPSG gays are touching themselves at this very moment over these innocent three lines.
 

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LOL. Good one, sweetheart. You seriously think so? You might be right; maybe I'm missing something here. Okay, so maybe some bi guys who still tag women could relate to having sex with girls. But gay guys don't. Even if a chick is front and center at the story...

Hmmm, I guess they just ignore her and focus on the details they like, huh? God knows there's a lot of dudeness I ignore when I'm watching porn.
 

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Dr. D. I was kinda thinking the same thing the other day as i was driving to work, there are many diff levels of sexuality here and i think i just look at it as a "support" group type chat it is not a plce i come to act out a sexual fantancy, i just like to find out where people are in the sexual maturity... I have to be careful i am very conservative in my beliefs, but i cant press my beliefs on others just because i joined the group. I will say that i listed myself 80/20 because i fell that if i find any level of attraction to another guy i must have some gay feeling, but i am unsure if i could go through many of the action a 50/50 or 20/80 might feel comfortable with. i mainly came here to be more masculine by accepting other men in their nakedness in body and soul... i fell a little more free as a man having read and contributed to forums and by complimenting other on their profiles... i dont thing i am crossing any boundries yet by telling someone they have a nice dick or complimenting their body,(BTW you do have a pretty nice dick). i htink i have shelter myself all my life afraid to say it outloud for the same fear some of the 100%er's may have- that is that i would have to admit i had "homo" feeling....but i really think we are supposed to have some of those feeling so we can empathize and support each other "as Men" reguardless of what we do in our private lives. sorry to go on so long i will let some one else speak now.


**Disclaimer - I am not trying to offend anyone these are just thoughts i have had. if i did offend you please sned me a message so i may apologize properly.
 

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Don't we all worry about that, blon? Even in 2012, strong heteronormative pressures still exist. Hell, it's disconcerting know that "gay" now is an adjective that means "stupid" to younger people. On top of that, you have to do a lot of soul-searching (let alone spending too much time with medical and psychological books) to know that some level of fantasy and experimentation is normal and commonplace throughout the life cycle. If anything, I think we'll excuse messing around a bit in teenage years. But if you're trying to figure out what that means for you, then that's a whole different challenge.

I should know. There has been more than one time in my life where I've been worried about not minding to look at another dude's dick or checking one out in passing. Hell, I still stare face forward or up at a urinal, just to make sure I'm not sending a wrong signal to a stranger. On the other hand, this is the perfect kind of outlet to wrestle with that issue. Maybe being here doesn't mean I'm any less vigilant in a restroom. But maybe not being here means that I'll do or say something stupid or ignorant if I catch someone glancing at me in a locker room. Thanks for sharing your views.
 

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LOL. Good one, sweetheart. You seriously think so? You might be right; maybe I'm missing something here. Okay, so maybe some bi guys who still tag women could relate to having sex with girls. But gay guys don't. Even if a chick is front and center at the story...

Hmmm, I guess they just ignore her and focus on the details they like, huh? God knows there's a lot of dudeness I ignore when I'm watching porn.

Dat very enlightening moment when one has been jerking off to porn for quite some time and feels fantastically out-of-this-world, then climaxes into a burst of joy and exciting relief, only to realize 30 seconds later while the video is still running, with some apparent disgust: "Man, this girl/dude/tarp is awful, how could I even... ugh!", promising itself not to stoop to such low standards ever again (only to repeat the experience again a few hours later, ofc).

Honestly though, I just mostly agree with you.
I think most people come here with a very open mindset anyway, and that sexual orientation hardly matters on LPSG, because, you know what? A big dick is a big dick, and that is pretty much the reason we all came here at first. Of course, serious relationships can be created, but I have got plenty of friends of other sexual orientation IRL with whom I can freely discuss of situations regarding my sex life or theirs, and this website is way more liberal than most of my peers! Genuinely interested folks will always have an ear/something to say no matter who you fuck.

People who do not feel at ease here are either, imo, voyeurs/show-offs who don't give much of a damn about this anyway or ones who are not comfortable with their own sexuality, neither IRL or on the web, and come here for reasons unknown to me (fooling themselves?).

Nothing to make a fuss about, in the end!
 

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Thanks to each of you for this interesting thread. As a retired professor of sexual psychology, I am largely with DubstepReve and his report of the book. Classification of sexual orientation is relatively recent and, until these labels were coined, same sex intimacy was normal for men for what we would now regard as heterosexual men.

I have said on several threads here (and elsewhere, of course) that sexual orientation labels are limited in accuracy, information and relevancy. "Gay" men can and often do enjoy sex with women and, conversely, "straight" men can and do enjoy sex with other men.

I use the labels for convenience and as shorthand not as exact descriptors. What i like about this site is that people can give percentages if they choose rather than categorical labels. Nevertheless, what is meant and understood by these percentages by the individual and what is understood by others when reading them is going to widely vary.

One can be interested (fascinated or even obsessed) without being necessarily sexually aroused by looking at body parts. You can be aroused without having a preference for some things. We are sexual. There are more similarities with other people than differences - whether gender, race, age, sexual orientation label, religion, politics....etc. sharing our similarities is reassuring and self-affirming and exploring the boundaries of our differences is interesting and educational;.
 
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To me a genuinely, 100% straight guy does not really care about another guys penis. To me, his mind is set on shocking, pleasing, and fucking pussy. I believe heterosexuals are a dying breed but egh, that's just the silly perspective from young naive queer boi.
 
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I'm all for openess, and I enjoy getting to know different people, but where I'm from...straight guys steer clear of gay guys, and bisexual guys are just considered gay men in denial. Gay men have each other to socialize with and most do that secretly, as well as an occasional woman who is open minded and "loves the gays".

So...when I see someone in the chatroom who ranks themselves as a high percentage straight guy, I assume that they are there to socialize with women and not men. I won't hit them up for chat, I won't click on their cam to watch them, I just leave them alone. I've had way too many "sorry bro, not here to chat with guys" or "not into dudes, man" to put much effort into crossing the gay-straight line anymore.

Good luck, doc.
 

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I'm all for openess, and I enjoy getting to know different people, but where I'm from...straight guys steer clear of gay guys, and bisexual guys are just considered gay men in denial. Gay men have each other to socialize with and most do that secretly, as well as an occasional woman who is open minded and "loves the gays".

So...when I see someone in the chatroom who ranks themselves as a high percentage straight guy, I assume that they are there to socialize with women and not men. I won't hit them up for chat, I won't click on their cam to watch them, I just leave them alone. I've had way too many "sorry bro, not here to chat with guys" or "not into dudes, man" to put much effort into crossing the gay-straight line anymore.

Good luck, doc.

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Thanks to each of you for this interesting thread. As a retired professor of sexual psychology, I am largely with DubstepReve and his report of the book. Classification of sexual orientation is relatively recent and, until these labels were coined, same sex intimacy was normal for men for what we would now regard as heterosexual men.

I have said on several threads here (and elsewhere, of course) that sexual orientation labels are limited in accuracy, information and relevancy. "Gay" men can and often do enjoy sex with women and, conversely, "straight" men can and do enjoy sex with other men.

I use the labels for convenience and as shorthand not as exact descriptors. What i like about this site is that people can give percentages if they choose rather than categorical labels. Nevertheless, what is meant and understood by these percentages by the individual and what is understood by others when reading them is going to widely vary.

One can be interested (fascinated or even obsessed) without being necessarily sexually aroused by looking at body parts. You can be aroused without having a preference for some things. We are sexual. There are more similarities with other people than differences - whether gender, race, age, sexual orientation label, religion, politics....etc. sharing our similarities is reassuring and self-affirming and exploring the boundaries of our differences is interesting and educational;.


Yup, I always thought of Kinsey as a very sound man, too!
 

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Don't we all worry about that, blon? Even in 2012, strong heteronormative pressures still exist. Hell, it's disconcerting know that "gay" now is an adjective that means "stupid" to younger people. On top of that, you have to do a lot of soul-searching (let alone spending too much time with medical and psychological books) to know that some level of fantasy and experimentation is normal and commonplace throughout the life cycle. If anything, I think we'll excuse messing around a bit in teenage years. But if you're trying to figure out what that means for you, then that's a whole different challenge.

I should know. There has been more than one time in my life where I've been worried about not minding to look at another dude's dick or checking one out in passing. Hell, I still stare face forward or up at a urinal, just to make sure I'm not sending a wrong signal to a stranger. On the other hand, this is the perfect kind of outlet to wrestle with that issue. Maybe being here doesn't mean I'm any less vigilant in a restroom. But maybe not being here means that I'll do or say something stupid or ignorant if I catch someone glancing at me in a locker room. Thanks for sharing your views.

I am all for chatting and getting to know people. I don't get the sexuality issue. I think it's such an odd thing to try to divide people into one of two camps. I read a pretty good book recently, "Straight: The Surprisingly Short History of Heterosexuality". It's amazing how recent of an invention sexuality is. Just saying...

Thanks to each of you for this interesting thread. As a retired professor of sexual psychology, I am largely with DubstepReve and his report of the book. Classification of sexual orientation is relatively recent and, until these labels were coined, same sex intimacy was normal for men for what we would now regard as heterosexual men.

I have said on several threads here (and elsewhere, of course) that sexual orientation labels are limited in accuracy, information and relevancy. "Gay" men can and often do enjoy sex with women and, conversely, "straight" men can and do enjoy sex with other men.

I use the labels for convenience and as shorthand not as exact descriptors. What i like about this site is that people can give percentages if they choose rather than categorical labels. Nevertheless, what is meant and understood by these percentages by the individual and what is understood by others when reading them is going to widely vary.

One can be interested (fascinated or even obsessed) without being necessarily sexually aroused by looking at body parts. You can be aroused without having a preference for some things. We are sexual. There are more similarities with other people than differences - whether gender, race, age, sexual orientation label, religion, politics....etc. sharing our similarities is reassuring and self-affirming and exploring the boundaries of our differences is interesting and educational;.
The labels are a convenience and I think most people here are happy with the % scale to refine the labels to a range on a scale. However there are guys here who are less curious about other men's bodies than you doctor. As a gay guy I would only contact them to talk about non-sexual topics. However I have found a surprising number of mostly straight guys who enjoy a mild or even strong attraction to cocks particularly and sometimes to a guy's physique. These guys seem happy to get positive attention and sexual compliments from other guys. Heterosexuality is more fluid than I imagined at first.

I agree with the comments from the book about straightness. In my own travels I have lived in The Middle East and North Africa where sex between men is "taboo" but not all that uncommon. The bigger distinction is between Tops v's Bottoms. Topping another guy, one is still seen as "a man", or straight, but bottoms are seen as effeminate and slutty or homosexual. Could this be the greater distinction that might have prevailed in earlier times before psychiatry was developed?

I also agree that the religious condemnation in earlier times was not specific to homosexual acts but was against any "non-reproductive" sexual positions or activities including masturbation. In modern times we misinterpreted the sin of sodomy as just anal intercourse. I don't think there was a religious concept of some people as heterosexual and other people as homosexual, just reproductive and non-reproductive sex.

I think Western people would benefit by unlearning this division between heteros and homos.
 

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Okay, so maybe some bi guys who still tag women could relate to having sex with girls. But gay guys don't. Even if a chick is front and center at the story..

You'd be surprised.
If you check the Fictious Stories section, you can often see comments of 100% gay guys liking a lot straight stories. :biggrin1: