Study shows circumcision may reduce AIDS risk

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  1. Dr. Dilznick

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    RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (Reuters) - Circumcising men can help protect them from the
    AIDS virus, researchers said on Tuesday after finishing the first study that tried using the procedure specifically to prevent infection.


    But United Nations health officials cautioned that more trials were necessary before they would recommend this as a method to protect against AIDS.

    The circumcised men were 65 percent less likely to become infected with the deadly and incurable virus, the researchers told the International AIDS Society Conference in Rio de Janeiro.

    Several studies have suggested that men who are circumcised have a lower rate of
    HIV infection. This has been especially noticeable in some parts of Africa, where some groups are routinely circumcised while neighboring groups are not.

    Researchers believe circumcision helps to cut infection risk because the foreskin is covered in cells that the virus seems able to easily infect. The virus may also survive better in a warm, wet environment like that found beneath a foreskin.

    Bertran Auvert of the French National Research Agency INSERM and colleagues tested more than 3,000 uninfected men aged 18-24 South Africa's Guateng province, where 32 percent of adults are infected.

    Some of the men were circumcised at the start of the trial while others had the procedure after 21 months. At the end of the trial, researchers registered 69 HIV cases, and only 18 of them were in the men who were circumcised at the start.

    "It shows that the intervention (circumcision) prevented between six and seven out of 10 possible infections," said Auvert, noting that although the protection rate was high it was only partial.

    PROMISING TRIAL

    He said the results were consistent with earlier simple observational studies in some African countries and India.

    "Although the trial shows promising protective effects of adult male circumcision in reducing HIV acquisition,
    UNAIDS emphasizes that more research is needed," the United Nations AIDS agency said in a statement.

    Two more studies underway in Uganda and Kenya will provide more evidence, UNAIDS said.

    "It is a very sensitive issue, and not just biologically," said UNAIDS chief scientific adviser Catherine Hankins, adding that circumcision should only be used as part of a package of preventive measures such as the use of condoms and behavioral changes to limit the number of sexual partners.

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    World Health Organization said it was working on guidelines for qualified medical personnel to conduct safe circumcision as demand for the operation may soon increase.

    Health officials said they were concerned that such demand may increase the number of operations carried out by healers and witch-doctors, which could boost the risk of HIV infection rather than prevent it if they were not done correctly.

    They also said a sense of false security from the operation as well as reduced sensitivity in the penis following circumcision could cause an increase in risky sexual behavior and a drop in condom use.


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050726/hl_nm/...circumcision_dc
     
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    Bull-fuckin-shit. Cut or Uncut, we all have the same risk. Whoever published that needs to be raped by a cow like, seriously.


    EDIT: No, wait, lemme correct myself. Anyone who even fuckin considered that theory needs to be raped by a cow.
     
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    blah blah blah. seems there's another one of these "studies" every week. bottom line is, anyone who believes that cutting off bits of your genitalia is a smart alternative to safe sex probably shouldn't be allowed to have sex with anyone else in the first place :eyes:
     
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    Surferboy, while I have to agree with your skepticism in principle, it doesn't seem to be based on any sort of argument. Can you dispell the findings that the researchers came across, or can you at least show the faults in their arguments?

    It seems like they may not be looking at a big enough sample size, but there may or may not be something to the whole circumcision thing.
     
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    Yes, anybody who would think that they don't need a condom since they're circumcised- in the words of surferboy- "should be raped by a cow."
    (although I think he means raped by a bull, seeing as cows are female)
     
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    no, he DOES mean raped by a cow.



    ... trust me, you don't wanna know.
     
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    Oh this is just f'n great. Bill Frist and Santorum are gonna' cream their jeans over this! Now the neo-cons have a whole new battle ground, all of which of course, will be backed and supported with religious fervor. OH don't forget....think how much money all the Dr's will make whacking off foreskins. Big bucks in mutilating peni. Another excellent nail in the gay coffin.

    This will all be done at government expense you see, because state by state partnership benefits are being taken away so none of the intact queer men will be able to pay for their own disfigurement.
     
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    The rest of the story is that 4% of those circumsized suffered complications, the nature of the complications was not specifed. Assuming that approximatly half of the participants were circumsized and half were not, the percentage difference of infection between the two groups is only 2.3%. So we shall now mutilate 100% and damage 4% of the men to gain a 2.3% increase in resistance to infection by HIV. Yeah that makes sense.
     
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    I's common sense brah. Being cut or uncut has no advantages or disadvantages against STDs. None.
     
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    The studies are mostly population-based, by Texas sharpshooters.

    The hypotheses to explain it are thus:

    The foreskin has more epithelial Langerhans cells than the rest of the penis, thus providing ways for HIV to get in.
    The foreskin has fewer epithelial Langerhans cells than the rest of the penis, thus making it impossible to fight off HIV.

    Is it one or t'other?
     
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    Hey Guys....Im new to the forum. So, allow me the chance to view my point.
    The HIV virus does not know the difference between a cut or uncut guy. It's only purpose in life is to replicate it's self till it no longer can. It can be slowed down, with the use of drugs. That will in stop it's replication process along the way. The only safe way to have sex without transmission is to wear a condom.

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    Tell me...has anyone cut off his hand to lower the risk of arthritis?
     
  13. jonb

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    But that skin traps moisture and is thus less apt to tear. It's not skin itself which gets infected in HIV. It's broken skin.

    In southern Africa, the problem is fairly well-known among public health experts. They have no problem pointing out that agents used to dry out the vagina (because a moist vagina is considered a sign of promiscuity) increase risk of abrasion and therefore infection. Would it not be the same for the penis? But quacks looking to make a quick buck have never cared for stuff in peer-reviewed journals.
     
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    No, the only safe way is to not have sex. Condoms just greatly reduce the risk. And dayum about the African thing.
     
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    Well, you can always jack each other off and not get AIDS.

    The entire "circumcision and HIV" thing seems to use Third World countries, where the vast majority of circumcised men are Muslims. And it compares to the entire population, not just the sample which goes to the health clinic. (Naturally, fewer Muslims are going to even get tested for a "queer disease".)
     
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    enki: The whole data is totally skewed. Basically the actual study they did when you look at the data, uncut guys vs cut guys the risk was a few more percentage points for uncut fellas. So they took these few percentage points and used bad statistics to say that uncut guys were 2-3 times more likely to aquire hiv via intercourse. Thats the basics. This is pure medical propaganda and bad science. If you dont want yer kid getting hiv or yerself then practice safe sex, not senseless body modification. Im sure amputating the penis reduces the risk significantly too. Bunch of dumbasses..
     
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    Guys! Chill.

    Many of you are missing the point.
    Your HIV status has nothing to do with your cut / uncut status.
    The fact that I am cut gives me very slim additional hopes of not contracting HIV.
    These are just numbers. And they are not statistically valid because the sample size is small... but interesting nonetheless.

    I will just continue to "play safe", and I hope that everyone on this board does likewise.

    If you're uncut, be proud. If you're cut, be proud.

    Just be careful.

    Cheers. :loveya:
     
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    Another study found female circumcision reduces HIV risk. It's more likely it's related to particular sexual practices.
     
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    Good point. If I may expand a bit on this thought...
    Circumcision tends to be more prevalent in populations which tend more toward strong religious belief/practice and especially sexual repression. Could this possibly have any influence on the statistics?
     
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    Naturally Chimera looks to biological determinism.

    Another aspect might be that HIV-positive Muslims might simply not get tested as much. These "circumcision and HIV" studies tend to look at total number of HIV-positive individuals vs. total population, rather than the proper means of doing such a test, namely taking a sample with as few variables different as possible and comparing the two variables within the sample alone.
     
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