Submission Vs Dominance...

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  1. jeff black

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    I'd appreciate some input on this situation.

    I completely understand how sumission and dominance work in a sexual sense, that's not my question. My question deals with the technicality of the acts. For example, consider this act and tell me your thoughts, please.

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    Sam (male or female) is incredibly horny. After a night of various activities (nonsexual), they decide to walk over to John (the man with the cock). As they approach, they give off a calm and aroused look.

    Sam kneels before John, and unzips his jeans, stroking and rubbing his bulge through the fabric, eventually sliding the pants/boxers to John's ankles and starting to tease and tantilize John's cock with Sam's mouth. There are variants of speed, pressure, and tightness as Sam's mouth and throat explore John's erected cock. John keeps his hands at his side.

    Then, Sam grabs some lube and a condom, and fingers his/her asshole with the lube, then begins to ride johns cock, hard fast and deep. Each grind, each motion, each flex of the cock sends Sam over the edge of orgasmic desire. Sam cums and John cums.

    Now, the question is, was Sam in the submissive role, or the dominant one? Thoughts?
     
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    Dominant one definately.
     
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    Sam is dominant: he's taking what he wants. I think one would call him a 'power bottom'.
     
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    Both, submussive to him, dominant in taking the leading part
     
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    But now, here's the question... Sam's actions are dominant, but isn't he being used to please John? I mean, Sam's mouth is caressing his dick, John's cock is deep inside the asshole of Sam. Doesn't that sound submissive?
     
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    I think that Sam is being by far more proactive in the act as a whole and John is not resisting, why would he when he is getting pleasure out of it, but it is Sam pleasing themself using him. It is irrelevant about the pleasure John gets because they both get pleasure, its not in the question of dominance/submission (sorry Pieter)
     
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    The more important question is: Jeff, do you think you were submussive or dominant while taking that dick?
     
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    Which leads to the third part.

    Sam knows that John loves that Sam want to please him. Sam gets off on making John feel good, which in turn gets Sam off.

    It's actually a hypothetical question, but a scenario I've considered being on both sides of. I've discussed it with a few people, some say it's Sub, some say John is dominant by letting him do things to him.
     
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    Dominant! A sub would NEVER be the one deciding what to do. Plus in your story John doesn't say a word, wich is NOT what a dom would do. A sub would also probably do a "presentation" stance offering themselves up to the dom if trying to begin sexual service... The only way that Sam would be the sub in this case is A) it was agreed upon earlier and they were just doing as ordered B) they know their Dom so well and for so long that John would have allowed it to happen in this manner, but still I have a hard time seeing it happen this way.

    Pieterjoke, I understand where you are coming from, but by very definition a TRUE sub could never ever be dominant in any manner with their Dom. It would not be allowed in any manner.
     
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    Touché. :biggrin1:
     
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    I find it interesting how so many people equate being top with being Dominant. Being a top has nothing to do with dominance.

    you're adding a wrench into it now... You didn't exactly say that Sam enjoyed sucking John's dick BECAUSE it pleased John. You implied it pleased Sam to do so. So now if you are saying that Sam is trying to please John more than themselves, then this is not a true dom/sub situation at all, just has some of its characteristics. But I would still contend that Sam is dom, even though somehow they are seeking to please their sub (which in truth any caring and good-natured Dom would want at some deep level anyway)
     
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    As was said, you don't say who directed the activity. If no words were spoken there is no dom/sub to me. If John is directing Sam to get on his knees, then John is the dom. If Sam is telling John to stand there and not move, don't cum until I tell you, then Sam is the dom.

    Did John call and say be over here at 9? Did Sam say be home and don't go out? Who has the collar on?
     
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    Well, in this particular scenario, John and Sam spent the day together, are a couple.

    Sam was horny, and the scene began. Sam got on their knees. John sat there. No words spoken other than moaning.
     
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    Well, you were there too, Pieter... why don't you tell me how you felt?:rolleyes::redface:

    *can make jokes that are funny*:tongue:
     
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    It wasn't a joke......
     
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    That lifesized doll u made of me doesn't count Jeff. I'm still in Europe and will be for a while :rolleyes:
     
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    I think that, as long as John didn't ask for what Sam did, Sam was dominant, since he/she decided what to do.
     
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    Does it really matter as long as they both got off? LOL
     
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    Good point! LOL
     
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    Is it possible to be a top but submissive? Or a bottom but dominant?

    I expect a "top" to be a little (or a lot!) dominant, but based on experience, the guys that want to do the fucking and that want to be sucked are not always the dominant type. Some guys just don't enjoy sucking or being fucked.

    In the post that started this thread, Sam was clearly a bottom, at least that evening. Hard to say anything about John, because he just let it all happen. Maybe John is also a bottom, but he was letting Sam call the shots that night?

    HB
     
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