Sue the Fed

[B_VinylBoy]

Now that the socially inept duo known as crackhead and Specimen have managed to derail the thread with proposed ramblings about how I'm supposed to be the most evil person in the world, how about we try to bring the thread back on topic? I still want to know who thinks suing the fed would actually work.

 

[maxcok]

I didn't really like it anyway, just adoped it as a counter to VinylGirl's bigotry (he gets upset when I call him "boy", it's apparrently a racist slur)

It is a racist slur, as you well know, as a proud self-confessed white supremacist. The fact that you just disingenuously quoted yourself does not detract from the fact that you just used it again referring to VB. Despicable.

The left need to be shown a mirror every once in a while so they can see what they really look like, otherwise they start believing their own propaganda.

Now isn't that ironic? Here. Take another look.

Suing the Fed is just another sticking plaster over a gaping wound; the patient is in need of some serious treatment that works in harmony with the free market -the antibodies- not another measure that fights against it.

Excuse me, did I advocate suing the Fed? Have you comprehended a word I've said on this or any other topic?
BTW, very creative metaphor Speculum, "sticking plaster and antibodies".

Your socialist clap-trap will only lead the U.S futher down the toilet.

Oh, if only I had that power, but where do you get that I'm a socialist?
You don't even know the meaning of the word, you teabagging troll, and your broken record is old and tired.

Far simpler just to take it back into government control, . . .

Take it back? When has the Fed ever been under government control? So do you favor monetary policy being set by Congress, by dysfunctional committee? Or should it be subject to the whims of the Executive branch? That should work out well.

It's abundantly clear neither of you have a clue what you're talking about, and you're only here to stir up shit. Well, if that what it takes for you to feel important . . . .

 

[FuzzyKen]

While I think that filing litigation against the Federal Government sounds interesting, I am also aware of how difficult it is to do successfully when the reason for the litigation is not a direct tort claim. In essence you have to get their "permission" to sue them. In filing a tort claim such as accident damage or injury caused by some representative of the FED there are a series of extra filings, and it moves slower than a snail, but it can be done successfully and there is a great deal of legal precedent. Historically litigation against the Federal Government has been tried before.

Currently you have an example in progress in that many conservative States have filed litigation against the Federal Government to overturn the new health plan. Under the guidelines for these kinds of litigations there are a gazillion ways that these can be derailed and even completed verdicts overturned. This will be a rocky road.

The best that the litigants can hope for right now is to delay implementation of the program pending outcome of the final litigation that may be years down the road.

Also remember that a State has your tax dollars to pay the legal teams and they don't care what it costs or about the time frame simply because when one chunk of money runs out, they come back to the citizens and grab more. Private individuals have not had it that easy and often the legal wrangling goes on for many years.

We think of litigation as a direct cause and effect where facts are presented and decisions are made.

Back in the 1950's a lawsuit was filed over patent rights. The plaintiff was LeeDeForest and the Defendant was E.H. Armstrong. This litigation became one of the longest suits in history and it ran as I remember over 20 years. In government, a court action of this kind of duration is not all that unusual.

In the end there is no way to get the American people to become cohesive enough to accomplish this kind of task. You would have every "special interest" involved and the money being thrown around to buy off one side or the other.

 

[554279]

OK this is like one of them "what would happen, if the Incredible Hulk and Superman had a steel cage tag team wrastlin match with Batman and Spiderman" questions, right?

Nah, don't see the FED getting sued. Sorry. But I heard that whole thing with Elvis and Jim Morrison flying black helicopters out of Area 51 is true.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

It is a racist slur, as you well know, as a proud self-confessed white supremacist. The fact that you just disingenuously quoted yourself does not detract from the fact that you just used it again referring to VB. Despicable.

Thanks, maxcok. But sadly I come to expect this fraudulent act of innocence from the socially ignorant around here these days. Luckily, people of Speculator's "ilk" don't last long around here. They eventually rub enough people the wrong way and get themselves banned.

And watch... now that I said "ilk", they'll claim that I hate straight, white people like the typical anonymous, paranoidal cowards they really are.

 

[Speculator]

It is a racist slur, as you well know, as a proud self-confessed white supremacist. The fact that you just disingenuously quoted yourself does not detract from the fact that you just used it again referring to VB. Despicable.

Now isn't that ironic? Here. Take another look.

Excuse me, did I advocate suing the Fed? Have you comprehended a word I've said on this or any other topic?
BTW, very creative metaphor Speculum, "sticking plaster and antibodies".

Oh, if only I had that power, but where do you get that I'm a socialist?
You don't even know the meaning of the word, you teabagging troll, and your broken record is old and tired.

I've looked again and again at the "points" you've raised but there's so little substance on your part that you've almost left me without reply.

I agree with the response at the end of your post, I also don't believe that a nationalised central bank is the answer; we've been running that system since 1946 with the Bank of England but we're in an identical mess to the U.S. Having a government committee decide anything should always be the very last option; the money supply is far too important to left up to the whims of politicians. Ideally money levels would be set by the market rather than by dictat, it removes the indecision caused by differing ideologies.

 

[B_crackoff]

I agree with the response at the end of your post, I also don't believe that a nationalised central bank is the answer; we've been running that system since 1946 with the Bank of England but we're in an identical mess to the U.S. Having a government committee decide anything should always be the very last option; the money supply is far too important to left up to the whims of politicians. Ideally money levels would be set by the market rather than by dictat, it removes the indecision caused by differing ideologies.

Hmmm, technically true, but the deal that brought the BoE back into the fold is shrouded in mystery - it's not like fair value was paid, or could be. The legal form is UK owned, but the commercial substance privately benefits the exact same banksters who run the Fed. The B of E does not run monetary policy to benefit the UK - it runs it to benefit financial services - exclusively run by...

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/quarterlybulletin/qb960110.pdf

Note to crackoff... I didn't run away. A pussy like you could never make me do that. You just exceeded my stupidity quotient when you took one of my obvious tongue in cheek, sarcastic remarks and tried to claim that I condone rape.(of me & shooting of others!:biggrin1 So I put you on ignore. But unfortunately for you, someone told me that you were talking shit about me for no reason so now I'm back to give you hell.

And as I mentioned, you or your friends ganged up to get rid of HG - thanks for making my point!

When you're ready to have a real debate, do let me know and do try to stay the fuck on topic. Otherwise, get off my nuts.

You alays start it. I think you love me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCj_C-Yb3xI

Take it back? When has the Fed ever been under government control? So do you favor monetary policy being set by Congress, by dysfunctional committee? Or should it be subject to the whims of the Executive branch? That should work out well.

Oh pish - you know full well that I mean monetary control you silly goose

It's abundantly clear neither of you have a clue what you're talking about, and you're only here to stir up shit. Well, if that what it takes for you to feel important . . . .

As far as I'm aware, almost all of your posts consist of jumping in & making ad hominem attacks on others.

Calm down, & try to use your indoors voice.:wink:

 

[B_VinylBoy]

You alays start it. I think you love me...

First off, learn how to spell if you want to send me one of your moronic love notes. I don't provide mercy dating services for forum trolling imbeciles. Now, do you have ANYTHING to provide that is related to this thread, or are you going to continue being the ignorant, socially paranoidal, closeted son of a bitch who loves to tug on the nuts of gay men who call you out for being stupid? Take your pick. But do keep in mind when you make your choice... no, I won't fuck you.

 

[maxcok]

Oh pish - you know full well that I mean monetary control you silly goose

Well forgive me for taking your words at face value. I didn't realize it was incumbent upon me to read your mind and try to figure out what you actually think, contrary to what you type. Despite your dodgy revision (which makes no logical sense), and confusing as your syntax can be at times, it seems perfectly clear that you mistakenly believed the Fed was at some point under government control:

. . . . I see your point that you believe a bunch of guys are just trying to make a buck & a name for themselves by trying to sue the Fed. It is an idiotic action.

Far simpler just to take it back into government control, & stop bailing out & enriching its owners, whilst simultaneously trying, & asset stripping the beasts that have ruined everyone's lives, & giving them a fresh new start in a cell with lifers.

Who Owns The Federal Reserve?

As far as I'm aware, almost all of your posts consist of jumping in & making ad hominem attacks on others.

Don't start acting like a martyr now, or I might be compelled to hang you up on that cross with Speculator, I mean Jesus. BTW, still waiting for the little speck to explain how suggesting he might be American constitutes a "personal attack". Maybe you can explain.

Here are the two threads where I have been the most active in the past week or so: Congresswoman Shot at Constituent Event..Yet another shooting. I doubt you'll find anyone who has contributed more substance in either of those threads than I. In fact, I think you'd be hard pressed to find many posters who contribute more substance to the Politics forum overall. So when you say "almost all of your posts consist of jumping in & making ad hominem attacks on others," it is not only false, it is disingenuous -- and in itself ad hominem. Ironic, ain't it?

And in your flurry of deflections, revisions and accusations, you failed to answer my questions about exactly how you think the Federal Reserve should be taken "back under government control":

Take it back? When has the Fed ever been under government control? So do you favor monetary policy being set by Congress, by dysfunctional committee? Or should it be subject to the whims of the Executive branch? That should work out well.

I've looked again and again at the "points" you've raised but there's so little substance on your part that you've almost left me without reply.

Unfortunately, it appears that the discussion is over your head or out of your realm of limited understanding.
On the other hand, it's a relief to me, so why don't we just let it go.

 

[Speculator]

Hmmm, technically true, but the deal that brought the BoE back into the fold is shrouded in mystery - it's not like fair value was paid, or could be. The legal form is UK owned, but the commercial substance privately benefits the exact same banksters who run the Fed. The B of E does not run monetary policy to benefit the UK - it runs it to benefit financial services - exclusively run by...

Thanks for the link, I'll have a look through it at some point today. Yes I had heard that the details of the nationalisation were somewhat dubious, but it's still possible to analyse the bank using everyday economic tools and without searching through their extensive back catalogue! It holds a monopoly on the creation of notes, coins and central bank computer money, and just like any owner of a government granted licence it's earnings will be above the level that would be achieved in a free market.

Is this a bad thing? Probably, but I have some sympathy for the monopolisation of base money as it's important (imo) to ensure that it's widely accepted as a means of exchange. If the economic rents -the earnings over and above running costs - were returned entirely to the exchequer that would be ideal, but for me it's not a deal breaker, it would just be more cash for our fiscally inept government to piss up the wall.

 

[Speculator]

Unfortunately, it appears that the discussion is over your head or out of your realm of limited understanding.
On the other hand, it's a relief to me, so why don't we just let it go.

Go away, troll. Your outbursts are becoming tiresome.

 

[B_crackoff]

First off, learn how to spell if you want to send me one of your moronic love notes. I don't provide mercy dating services for forum trolling imbeciles. Now, do you have ANYTHING to provide that is related to this thread, or are you going to continue being the ignorant, socially paranoidal, closeted son of a bitch who loves to tug on the nuts of gay men who call you out for being stupid? Take your pick. But do keep in mind when you make your choice... no, I won't fuck you.

We each of us have spelling mistakes here sweetheart, including you my precious - keyboards ain't what they used to be(!); but I do think m'lady doth protest too much.

Is this a bad thing? Probably, but I have some sympathy for the monopolisation of base money as it's important (imo) to ensure that it's widely accepted as a means of exchange. If the economic rents -the earnings over and above running costs - were returned entirely to the exchequer that would be ideal, but for me it's not a deal breaker, it would just be more cash for our fiscally inept government to piss up the wall.

It's a bad thing in the sense that a nation's monetary policy should run in concert with its economic policy.

A conflict of interests will arise. The BoE explicitly is concerned with financial services - globally - & therefore it couldn't care less about domestic concerns. The same goes for the Fed.

If you allow one organisation a monopoly of your nation's credit, you effectively hand control of your country over to it, so therefore it is in each country's interest to own & direct that means of production.

The global linkages of Central Banks mean that they only act to further the extent of the demands & mechanisms of international finance, which only seeks to protect & extend the wealth of the giant merchant banks.

To reiterate - the central banking system is there to solely benefit the merchant banking families which control the central banks. An individual nation's plunge to insolvency is irrelevant to these aims, the ultimate aim of which is to have each & every nation indentured to the max - on money which was brought into existence by them.

That could never be the aim of a domestically controlled, & concerned central bank.

 

[maxcok]

Go away, troll. Your outbursts are becoming tiresome.

"outbursts"? LOL. Is your middle name "Hyperbole"?

I know you're obsessed with me, I know they say imitation is the highest form of flattery,
but try to be original, and please stop copying me:

Ya know, this martyr posture you keep adopting would be hilarious if it weren't so tiresome and exaggerated.

Once again:

Here ya go. :wink:

You do realize you're a complete joke, right?

p.s. As soon as you stop poking your little stick at me, I'll gladly depart this farce of a thread. Then you and Crack can continue your pseudo-intellectual mutual wankfest over economic theory and the BoE. In fact, it would be great if you two would just hang out here for awhile and leave the adults in peace.

 

[Speculator]

p.s. As soon as you stop poking your little stick at me, I'll gladly depart this farce of a thread. Then you and Crack can continue your pseudo-intellectual mutual wankfest over economic theory and the BoE. In fact, it would be great if you two would just hang out here for awhile and leave the adults in peace.

It would be a pleasure. The leftist moronfest that constitutes debate on some of these threads is slowly draining the life out of me, I need a bit of time away from the nuthouse to rejuvenate.

 

[maxcok]

It would be a pleasure. The leftist moronfest that constitutes debate on some of these threads is slowly draining the life out of me, I need a bit of time away from the nuthouse to rejuvenate.

Praise Jesus! Please take all the time you need. :biggrin2:









p.s. Your new ava is intriquing for an aspiring plumber. Do you imagine yourself as the guy with the gun or the big bag o money?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Praise Jesus! Please take all the time you need. :biggrin2:

Seconded!
And perhaps when the spec'd one is in rehab, he can think of an actual rebuttal that doesn't diverge into the pointless, bigoted banter about being a liberal. Because bottom line, nobody disagrees with him just because he's a conservative. That would be an insult to the few on this board that we do respect. The spec'd one is "special". He mindlessly spouts a seemingly endless amount brain dead ideology with no substantial facts to back anything... just like several others that will remain nameless at this time. Plus, they use the word "liberal" like it's a slur because if they say what they really feel they know they'll get banned from this site with the quickness.

Hence all of the negativity that is directed at he and his "ilk"... and it's well deserved.

 

[Speculator]

Seconded!
And perhaps when the spec'd one is in rehab, he can think of an actual rebuttal that doesn't diverge into the pointless, bigoted banter about being a liberal. Because bottom line, nobody disagrees with him just because he's a conservative. That would be an insult to the few on this board that we do respect. The spec'd one is "special". He mindlessly spouts a seemingly endless amount brain dead ideology with no substantial facts to back anything... just like several others that will remain nameless at this time. Plus, they use the word "liberal" like it's a slur because if they say what they really feel they know they'll get banned from this site with the quickness.

Hence all of the negativity that is directed at he and his "ilk"... and it's well deserved.

Say what you like VG, I knew you'd come crawling back begging for more.

Some people just don't know when they're beat!

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Say what you like VG, I knew you'd come crawling back begging for more.

Some people just don't know when they're beat!

Actually, when I put you on ignore it was you who kept talking about me. You ignorantly thought that I put a Sarah Palin avatar on my profile in response to something you said or did. If anyone is desperate for attention, it's you. Besides, nobody can win rhetorical arguments so I don't know who you claim to have beaten. Then again, please don't tell me you've named your penis after me because as far as I'm concerned, that's the only thing you can "beat" around here. In closing (for now), as much as you like to swing off my ball sack on this board, I'll have to tell you the same thing I've told crackoff earlier... I'm not on conversion duty. So no, I won't fuck you.

 

[dongalong]

YouTube - The American Dream Film-Full Length
30 minutes of bite size snippets of info designed to educate the average American about why the Federal reserve is bad.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

It would be a pleasure. The leftist moronfest that constitutes debate on some of these threads is slowly draining the life out of me, I need a bit of time away from the nuthouse to rejuvenate.

Be sure to let the door hit your ass on the way out.