suicide

what is your take of suicide

  • is never acceptable

    Votes: 14 29.2%
  • is okay

    Votes: 11 22.9%
  • is acceptable in extreme circumnstances

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When people are suffering from long term depression sometimes they can't see another way out of it, for people who aren't clinically depressed but just sick of the way their life is going then I can't understand it, I've had crappy times, we all have, but to kill yourself, to make it so that there isn't any possibility that the tomorrow that might have been the start of better times will never come is something I can't understand.

I'm sure that in a minority of people who commit suicide one of the thoughts in their mind is 'that will show them'.
 

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When people are suffering from long term depression sometimes they can't see another way out of it, for people who aren't clinically depressed but just sick of the way their life is going then I can't understand it, I've had crappy times, we all have, but to kill yourself, to make it so that there isn't any possibility that the tomorrow that might have been the start of better times will never come is something I can't understand.

I'm sure that in a minority of people who commit suicide one of the thoughts in their mind is 'that will show them'.
I have to say that I think it is the clinically depressed who commit suicide, not people who are sick of the way their life is going...they will eventually will understand problems are temporary while those who suffer from depression often times at their lowest moments cannot see the rationale behind their actions and act out of desperation. I suffer from depression and am on meds. When I am doing well I can't for the life of me figure out why I thought things were so futile, but when in the throes of a strong downward spiraling phase, it makes perfect sense to me because the pain is unbearable...you can't think of anything else.
 

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I have fairly limited training in suicide prevention. QPR. Question the individual to determine if there is a plan, means, and/or access to committing suicide. Persuade the individual to abstain from doing suicidal behavior until you can get to that person -- right away. Refer the individual to a hospital, to a counselor, or a trusted professional to seek observation and further assistance.

My manager was talking to me yesterday about her depressed sister, and she pretty much gave away her self-reliance bias, but it was spoken from a place of hurt, too. The manager had lived with her sister for a time period and the tension was very strong, alternatively supporting and lashing out, and it became too difficult to live there peacefully. She left the sister behind; they're still tense. Holidays bring out the worst of it.

As I was listening to her talk, under my breath, I was thankful that I've never had to deal with profound depression. I wouldn't know to handle it emotionally because you always feel like you can't do right, can't fix things for the loved one. Last time I had to deal with it, it was with a friend in high school and our friendship ended. It became really one-sided, and I got tired of trying to be nice, and I had to hold up my dignity. Now I can say that I was poorly equipped. Would that change now? I'm not totally confident.

It's still such a huge thing. Depression. I don't think many people know how to tackle to, or are too scared to try because you can never really know for sure how fragile someone is on the inside.
 

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There are different "flavors" of suicide. Interesting wordage, you're right.

what do you guys think about the subject of suicide? It sucks! This thread is to discuss the topic not to judge people that do that or plan to do that.
tallbig if you are in trouble or depressed please seek professional help. Suicide is never a good idea for those left to mourn the deceased.


It is virtually impossible to discuss this topic without someone making an inappropriate character judgement, ruffling feathers, or inciting a riot.

Too stupid. Only the losers would do such a kind of act.
You have no idea what goes on in the hearts and minds of the mentally ill. You have no right to make such a judgement. :mad:


Not trying to throw in spiritual stuff here but I wonder where suicidal souls go? Since it wasn't there time to die just wondering if there is punishment for that?

I'm not sure about now but the Catholic church used to say that those who committed suicide ended up in limbo. In the Jewish faith people that commit suicide are often not allowed to be buried with the family there is a special cornerof the cemetary reserved for those that take their own life.
The Soul After Suicide
The 3 Classification's of Suicide

It all depends on the person. Sometimes people mistake extreme physical pain for being suicidal.
I've never heard of that.:confused:
 

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I read this thread earlier today and could not respond just then.
I have had many friends who have ended their own lives. These were beautiful, successful, wealthy people. Who were also severely depressed.
The levels of their depression were never known even to those closest to them. It seems as though they felt that it was shameful for them to be as depressed as they were. They would not accept or receive love and care from those around them.
Their deaths were the ultimate act of slefishness and "FUCK YOU" to everyone who loved them. Suicide is the most ultimately selfish act one can commit.
The devastation it leaves in their wake is horrible beyond words and wreaks havoc in the lives of those they left behind.
 

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tallbig if you are in trouble or depressed please seek professional help. Suicide is never a good idea for those left to mourn the deceased.

It is virtually impossible to discuss this topic without someone making an inappropriate character judgement, ruffling feathers, or inciting a riot.

You have no idea what goes on in the hearts and minds of the mentally ill. You have no right to make such a judgement. :mad:


I'm not sure about now but the Catholic church used to say that those who committed suicide ended up in limbo. In the Jewish faith people that commit suicide are often not allowed to be buried with the family there is a special cornerof the cemetary reserved for those that take their own life.
The Soul After Suicide
The 3 Classification's of Suicide

I've never heard of that.:confused:


iam ok iam not depressed or anything but i got some family members from my mother side that have commit suicide and the another close one thet try to years ago . this is a topic that most people try to avoid . iam open minded to discussed everything .
 

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For those who thinking this is a simple matter it is not Yes people left behind are going to hurt but they also hurt when a natural death takes place from heart ailment or cancer or aging

A person taking their life does not have in them an ability to still care what others might think their pain is too strong and deep It is not that they do not care about the people they just do not have in them an ability to care or understand that they will be hurt and in cases of depression they do not believe the people care about them so death is only way out.

A few years ago a woman named Susan saw me and we talked some on a Sunday morning we hugged each other and then she went to breakfast eating with a friend of hers Later that day she went to the roof of her building and threw herself off She had not appeared at as if she was about to do some thing like this It was known she was not always happy but that day she seemed okay and even her close friend who ate breakfast with her saw no warning Susan was not talking of killing herself, she never ever said she would do this When we heard the news we were all very sad by the happening and questioned our selves to why we had been unable to see what was happening with her It became clear she had an inside pain much too great to take any more Suicide is not selfish it is a decision and often in letters left they explain that it took them a long time to decide on this as the only possible way
 

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For those who thinking this is a simple matter it is not Yes people left behind are going to hurt but they also hurt when a natural death takes place from heart ailment or cancer or aging

A person taking their life does not have in them an ability to still care what others might think their pain is too strong and deep It is not that they do not care about the people they just do not have in them an ability to care or understand that they will be hurt and in cases of depression they do not believe the people care about them so death is only way out.

A few years ago a woman named Susan saw me and we talked some on a Sunday morning we hugged each other and then she went to breakfast eating with a friend of hers Later that day she went to the roof of her building and threw herself off She had not appeared at as if she was about to do some thing like this It was known she was not always happy but that day she seemed okay and even her close friend who ate breakfast with her saw no warning Susan was not talking of killing herself, she never ever said she would do this When we heard the news we were all very sad by the happening and questioned our selves to why we had been unable to see what was happening with her It became clear she had an inside pain much too great to take any more Suicide is not selfish it is a decision and often in letters left they explain that it took them a long time to decide on this as the only possible way
Many times there is a great sense of relief in the suicidal person because they have decided to do it and have a plan as to how they will carry it out. Many people mistake this as the suicidal person seeming fine.
 

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Unfortunately suicide is a very real and tragic part of life for many people; stemming, in part, from either a state of panic wherein the person merely wants to stop the immediate trauma or pain but does not necessarily want to end their life, or from chronic depression wherein the person becomes deeply overwhelmed by the feeling of hopelessness. And then there are those who accidently commit suicide due to specific behaviors the person believes will bring some form of self-gratification but ends up taking their life instead.
 

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Two incidents come immediately to mind. My half-brother, in 1987 when he was 15. The last time I saw him was when he was two. I'd heard he hung himself on Christmas Day (his birthday), while with my stepmother and her kids when they were in some homeless mission or Salvation Army camp. That was the life they lived, being with, and ultimately splitting from....my Dad. They were always on the move, and keeping track of them was impossible. All I can imagine is that he felt his life was utterly hopeless when he made his decision. I'll never know more than that.

The other incident, and the thing that nudged me to post here...well, I got news of it this morning. I had known Mike for 7 years, a friend yet more of an acquaintance. His father, Tripp, has been sober 25 years and helps many people...including myself.... Mike had about the same time sober as me. He fell off the wagon, but his other demons followed him and he was never able to find peace. He recently asked me if he could come in and apply for a job where I work in the morning, and was telling others about it. He never made it, but I continued to see him at meetings. Last time I saw him was Thursday night, sitting with his Dad. We spoke a few words afterwards, he apologised for not coming in, I said "no worries, when you're ready, we'll still be there", gave him a hug....Apparently Saturday night, he left his sponsor's house where a child's birthday party was taking place. Mike suffered from schizophrenia, and amongst his last words at the birthday party were that he couldn't stand the pain any longer, he hugged everyone and said he loved them, said he was tired and excused himself. He walked his short distance home, and was found later that evening in his room by his older brother, who became a basket case.... Nobody is saying how it was done and it doesn't really matter, I guess.....his Mom and Tripp are dealing with it as well as can be expected. One of Tripp's projects is a home he has set up for mentally ill individuals who are trying to get a firm footing in life...ie, off the drugs and booze, and moving forward from there. He's had Mike stay there in the past.

So here we are, left with the task of identifying reasons to be grateful that we are alive, and uh...yeah. I'm very grateful. There are so many days when it's taken for granted, and then something happens. A death is one thing, but when it has the added morbid twist of someone taking their own life, there are so many questions, on so many levels, and none of them will ever be answered.

This really IS a good life, everyone.
 

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Many times there is a great sense of relief in the suicidal person because they have decided to do it and have a plan as to how they will carry it out. Many people mistake this as the suicidal person seeming fine.
Thanks, this is usually true. By that time they have made up thier minds and all seems to be okay, they then turn around and surprise people with their actions.
 

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what about if you are ALONE and there are NO family to speak of.....i guess where you work would call to see if you quit but after that i guess you would stink up the house until SOME ONE found you. maybe.
 

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Honestly when people want to end their life because it is so bad they are depressed and just dont want to live anymore yeah its up to them if they want to live or die but honestly you have to think there is someone out there in the world suffering like you are and probably still fights to live on and over come the depression instead of taking the easy way out.. that is just the way I think.. I had a friend who killed himself because his g/f cheated on him, it sucks and I wish he didn't do it, I can't feel sorry for anyone that tries to just end their life as for if they have an illness I would rather have the person rest peacefully than suffer with no chance of being cured
 

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Yes people left behind are going to hurt but they also hurt when a natural death takes place from heart ailment or cancer or aging


When someone commits suicide, as well as the pain and anger of bereavement from death there's also an overwhelming feeling that they should have done something to prevent it added to this.
 

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I've had 3 friends (I admit, I have a lot of them) commit suicide this year. I don't see this as the act of an individual any more, I see it as attrition of my peer group caused by moral crimes of negligence and ignorance. Suicide in my demographic in my country is at epidemic proportions. It reminds me when I hear gay men talk of the onset of AIDS, because I see my friends die with what is now becoming regularity. No one I know isn't touched.

The negligence in this case is systematic and institutional. The problem is ignored by the wider community that suffers from it and swept under the bed. The current Australian federal government is probably the single biggest criminal, having ignored the issue and implemented policies which significantly contribute to the problem of youth suicide.

This government has systematically dismantled the frameworks for youth mental health and suicide prevention, dramatically raised the cost of living and housing through poor policy decisions (especially the entry requirements for first home buyers, housing affordability is at an all time low), destroyed the training and higher education systems (while raising costs dramatically) and placed an increased tax burden squarely on the shoulders of a young generation who happens to be demographically challenged and would never vote for them anyway.

The reason for this is simple. The government has identified that the demographic groups that will keep them in power (the "Howard Battlers") are all aged 30 and above. These people are given large electoral sweeteners to keep the government in power and these people are the target of government policies. Where does the money come from for these sweeteners? From the group of people who aren't going to vote for the government anyway, generation Y.

Do you think that a university graduate on a high income who rents a home in a suburb his parents are ashamed of because rents are too high and he's got a crippling student debt is more likely to commit suicide? How about someone who never got a university degree and spent 4 years doing his apprenticeship being paid a pittance only to find when he finished the debt from buying his tools meant he ended up losing his car? Or another who has to fly up to a hell hole mining town for 3 weeks at a time to feed his young family? Well, they all did.

In this election campaign my generation has again gotten the bum rush. With more of them of voting age than in the last election, it is going to be to the governments loss.
 

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I've had 3 friends (I admit, I have a lot of them) commit suicide this year. :eek: I'm sorry to hear that. :frown1: How are you coping with all of these losses? I don't see this as the act of an individual any more, I see it as attrition of my peer group caused by moral crimes of negligence and ignorance. Suicide in my demographic in my country is at epidemic proportions. Really? :eek: I had no idea. It reminds me when I hear gay men talk of the onset of AIDS, because I see my friends die with what is now becoming regularity. No one I know isn't touched. What can be done to stop this?:confused:
The negligence in this case is systematic and institutional. The problem is ignored by the wider community that suffers from it and swept under the bed. The current Australian federal government is probably the single biggest criminal, having ignored the issue and implemented policies which significantly contribute to the problem of youth suicide. Now I understand. It seems the Australian government and the US Governments have much in common. This government has systematically dismantled the frameworks for youth mental health and suicide prevention, dramatically raised the cost of living and housing through poor policy decisions (especially the entry requirements for first home buyers, housing affordability is at an all time low), destroyed the training and higher education systems (while raising costs dramatically) and placed an increased tax burden squarely on the shoulders of a young generation who happens to be demographically challenged and would never vote for them anyway.

The reason for this is simple. The government has identified that the demographic groups that will keep them in power (the "Howard Battlers") are all aged 30 and above. These people are given large electoral sweeteners to keep the government in power and these people are the target of government policies. Where does the money come from for these sweeteners? From the group of people who aren't going to vote for the government anyway, generation Y.

Do you think that a university graduate on a high income who rents a home in a suburb his parents are ashamed of because rents are too high and he's got a crippling student debt is more likely to commit suicide? How about someone who never got a university degree and spent 4 years doing his apprenticeship being paid a pittance only to find when he finished the debt from buying his tools meant he ended up losing his car? Or another who has to fly up to a hell hole mining town for 3 weeks at a time to feed his young family? Well, they all did. The system is broken and has been for a very long time. The way America treats it's mentally ill is pathetic and shameful. The horror that was the Massacre at Virginia Tech last April probably would never have happend if the shooter had received the proper care. In this election campaign my generation has again gotten the bum rush. With more of them of voting age than in the last election, it is going to be to the governments loss.
Unfortunately, in America for every politically & socially aware person under 30 there are 3 more who could care less and never vote because they don't see the point. :frown1:


 

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I think its wrong, even though i have attempted it twice. First by overdosing (not illegal drugs..) and the second time i slashed my wrist, thankfully not deep enough and luckily my sister found me nearly straight away.

I was foolish and never thought of the impact i was having on people around me, it was then that i realised i needed to wise up.

Some people think those who try it are foolish, but all we need is a little tender loving care :).
 

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[/b][/i] Unfortunately, in America for every politically & socially aware person under 30 there are 3 more who could care less and never vote because they don't see the point. :frown1:

In Australia it's compulsory to vote... but the demographics are such that there are less under 30s than there are over 30s. As for coping with the losses... well, I don't have that much of a problem, but it does sting to think of those people still.