"Support group" my throbbing, aching cock.

[absinthium]

Yanno, a number of things about this new ban thing disappoint me... Chiefly it's the notion echoed throughout the rest of society that age determines maturity. LPSG was sort of a haven from that... A place where the "kiddies" got to sit at the "big people" table and be regarded based upon their words and actions, not the number of years they've been on the surface of the planet gulping in air.

I'm 20 now, which means in the eyes of LPSG and in most legal cases, I'm an adult. I'm still discriminated against quite frequently out there in the World©®[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Sans-serif]™ because of my age, despite the fact that I know I'm smarter and more mature than most of the people I deal with on a regular basis. It's been infinitely frustrating for me most of my life to be talked down to by morons twice my age, when I know good and goddamn well that I have the mental capacity to deal with all the shit they assume I can't because of the number stamped on my forehead.

Blah blah blah, children even glimpsing at an erect penis is terrible, boo hoo hoo, no one under the age of 25 should ever be hit on by someone older than them, finefinefine, I get it... Whatever. All I'm saying is that if you're curious about sex, sexuality, and huge cocks, for the love of GOD, chances are that you're old enough to get answers to the questions that you ask. I have no idea what this fetish is in American society for the preservation of ignorance in our youth, but it's fucking repulsive. I personally would much rather have young people educate themselves about sex, and NOT HAVE SOMEONE WITHOLD THAT INFORMATION FROM THEM, than have a bunch of horny retards running around with no clue about, oh, say, where to buy condoms that fit, for instance. Doesn't that sound like a good fucking idea?

No, you're right... If we keep the world of sex a mystery, then no one will ever have sex. That makes PERFECT sense. Keep everyone in the dark until the magical age of 18, (when we all know EVERYONE instantly grows into a fully-formed adult,) and they'll stay celibate that whole time. Of course that's how things work! By Jove, it's brilliant! Wish I'd thunk it up myself!!!

...Just for the record, I was 14 when I lost my virginity to an 18 year old. GASP!, I know... No one was sued, no one was arrested, and guess what else... No one got pregnant or contracted a venereal disease. How did I manage this? Well, I had the loving support of a very open minded and caring mother who told me from VERY early on all about sex and how to keep myself safe. Hell, she purchased my very first prophylactics for me and took me to the gyno to get on birth control soon thereafter. I knew exactly what I was doing, I wasn't coaxed into it, and it wasn't anything CLOSE to the tragedy teenage sex is so often made out to be... I did it because I wanted to, and I've remained disease and unwanted pregnancy free ever since. I'm living proof that education, NOT ignorance, is the key.

So there. Put that in your butt and smoke it.

Mostly, though, beyond everything else, I'm sad that so many young people are going to miss out on just learning that they're okay... That they're not freaks because they're uncircumcised... That it's okay to have feelings for people of the same gender... That no matter WHAT the size of their dick, color of their skin, or number of freckles on their ass is, someone will find them attractive. It's really hard going through the teen years. As I look back on how trying the time spent in Jr. and Sr. High was for me, I know it would've been a lot harder had I not known so many of the things that I did, so many of the things that my friends did not.

In short, this "support group" is cutting off its members that are in most dire need of support, and it's pretty goddamn stupid.

That's my like $0.08 worth. You may now return to your regularly scheduled, dictatorship-endorsed festivities.
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[B_caneadea]

This sums up the situation absolutely perfectly.

 

[Xii]

Unfortunately this view needs to be brought to the senators/congressman of the world. There's only so much us 'little guys' can do.

 

[Grower]

I'm still discriminated against quite frequently out there in the World©®[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Sans-serif]™ because of my age, despite the fact that I know I'm smarter and more mature than most of the people I deal with on a regular basis.
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What do you expect? You live in Dickcuntsburg.



I couldn't resist, even though I do agree with the sentiment of your post in that it seems we are abandoning some of the support features of our support group.

 

[Stursberg]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Sans-serif]That's my like $0.08 worth. [/FONT]

It's worth one hell of a lot more than that. Well done, young lady!

 

[DC_DEEP]

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Sans-serif]Blah blah blah, children even glimpsing at an erect penis is terrible, boo hoo hoo, no one under the age of 25 should ever be hit on by someone older than them, finefinefine, I get it... Whatever. All I'm saying is that if you're curious about sex, sexuality, and huge cocks, for the love of GOD, chances are that you're old enough to get answers to the questions that you ask. I have no idea what this fetish is in American society for the preservation of ignorance in our youth, but it's fucking repulsive. I personally would much rather have young people educate themselves about sex, and NOT HAVE SOMEONE WITHOLD THAT INFORMATION FROM THEM, than have a bunch of horny retards running around with no clue about, oh, say, where to buy condoms that fit, for instance. Doesn't that sound like a good fucking idea?

I agree 100%, absinthium. There is just no substitute for good, honest, open, unashamed information given by parents to their children. In my humblest of opinions, I think that parents who do otherwise are guilty of child abuse.

... How did I manage this? Well, I had the loving support of a very open minded and caring mother who told me from VERY early on all about sex and how to keep myself safe.

You are indeed a very lucky young woman to have your mother. She's one of the most intelligent, beautiful, and informed women I have had the pleasure of getting to know online.

I'm living proof that education, NOT ignorance, is the key.

And it is unfortunate and sad that the neo-cons and fundies just can't seem to wrap their tiny little protobrains around that concept.

...I'm sad that so many young people are going to miss out on just learning that they're okay... That they're not freaks because they're uncircumcised... That it's okay to have feelings for people of the same gender... That no matter WHAT the size of their dick, color of their skin, or number of freckles on their ass is, someone will find them attractive. It's really hard going through the teen years. As I look back on how trying the time spent in Jr. and Sr. High was for me, I know it would've been a lot harder had I not known so many of the things that I did, so many of the things that my friends did not.

In short, this "support group" is cutting off its members that are in most dire need of support, and it's pretty goddamn stupid.

That's my like $0.08 worth. You may now return to your regularly scheduled, dictatorship-endorsed festivities.

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Although I am (at least currently) in favor of some age restrictions for this site, it has absolutely nothing to do with withholding information from younger citizens. It is simply predicated upon the above-mentioned neo-cons and fundies who have so much influence upon our legal system. I wish there were some way to keep the forum a lot more open, but unfortunately, there are some freaks in this country who spend their entire day, every day, looking for people to arrest and websites to shut down. It's very sad, really, and it is the same people who closely examined the castle in the disney movie (The Little Mermaid? or something like that), found one portion that they thought might possibly be remotely penis-shaped, and started screaming bloody hell about it. (Side note: remind me to do a Rorshach test on some of these idiots...) Personally, I think the parents and schools should be monitoring what the kids are getting online - not the government. It's the laziest and most offensive people who expect the government to adopt their own "head-in-the-sand" approach and then parent their children for them. Hey, if they can't raise their own children, with their own values, then they have no business being parents - especially when they expect the schools and governments to do their bad parenting for them.

 

[Dr Rock]

Unfortunately this view needs to be brought to the senators/congressman of the world.

... preferably embossed on the tip of a .44 magnum split-nose round

 

[madame_zora]

Well I guess MY views are pretty well understood.

You will find very few adults who respect the intelligence and developing understanding of young people more than I do and I think it's a shame that our government is doing everything it can to keep our youth in the dark. It's okay to lie to them about Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny, so obviously the next step is to lie to them about sex, evolution, politics and whatever else doesn't suit the agenda of raising little tin soldiers to grow into proper citizens of the reich.

We had a good thing going here. I'm not aware of a single situation that arose from having young people aboard that we were not able to deal with. This board has always been self-monitoring in regards to trolling and bad behavior, and our members have always joined in to stomp out trolls who don't belong here or are only here to be disruptive. The nudity was contained in the gallery with a sign in page to enter there, but it left the forums open to people of all ages. It covered our asses as well as Mark's, and I personally was comfortable with that. Young people were made aware of the general opinion of the board that we were not interested in cybering or direct sexual suggestions from them, but that they were encouraged to ask questions about anything that pertained to their own lives and curiousities. I think this board has been an invaluable tool to many and I join the rest of us who are sad about this departure.

Mark was a strong advocate for free speech, and that is something that many of us came to love him for. It was tested to the furthest extent, and he decided that the only reason he would ban someone was if their contributions were only disruptive in nature, never for their opinions. I liked this, even though I have often been the target of negative comments. I also respect and support someone's right to dissent, and this is one of those golden lessons a young person should get to learn. It is far preferable that they get such an opportunity amid a mature group that will respect them and their growth than in the majority of online communities where intelligence is not a priority.

Ignorance is bad, information is good. We seriously need to dethrone the idiots in our government so we won't need to hide in shame from them. I feel like this decision has been a submission, and while I understand it, it makes me uncomfortable.

 

[10.5andproudofit]

i agree age is no determination of maturity. and i still support the check box. i really dont think people get the message im sending between the lines though, i'll have to work on my sub text development skills

 

[Paul Vincent]

I agree.

If young people aren't informed about sex then just to have some clue about sex, they'd have to make a few mistakes along the way. If parents don't teach their kids at home, then their kids might look elsewhere. And the babies might make babies, it seems a lot of them are.

This site is informative, there aren't many sites people can go ask questions about practically anything, and get decent answers.

Welcome back absinthium. And you're only 20? Same age as me lol but I thought you were older...no offence lol.

 

[B_Spladle]

i agree age is no determination of maturity. and i still support the check box. i really dont think people get the message im sending between the lines though, i'll have to work on my sub text development skills

Maybe you should just spell it out.

There are an abundance of people who lie about the size of their penii on this website, why should it be any more difficult to lie about one's age?

 

[B_caneadea]

Well I guess MY views are pretty well understood.

You will find very few adults who respect the intelligence and developing understanding of young people more than I do and I think it's a shame that our government is doing everything it can to keep our youth in the dark. It's okay to lie to them about Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny, so obviously the next step is to lie to them about sex, evolution, politics and whatever else doesn't suit the agenda of raising little tin soldiers to grow into proper citizens of the reich.

We had a good thing going here. I'm not aware of a single situation that arose from having young people aboard that we were not able to deal with. This board has always been self-monitoring in regards to trolling and bad behavior, and our members have always joined in to stomp out trolls who don't belong here or are only here to be disruptive. The nudity was contained in the gallery with a sign in page to enter there, but it left the forums open to people of all ages. It covered our asses as well as Mark's, and I personally was comfortable with that. Young people were made aware of the general opinion of the board that we were not interested in cybering or direct sexual suggestions from them, but that they were encouraged to ask questions about anything that pertained to their own lives and curiousities. I think this board has been an invaluable tool to many and I join the rest of us who are sad about this departure.

Mark was a strong advocate for free speech, and that is something that many of us came to love him for. It was tested to the furthest extent, and he decided that the only reason he would ban someone was if their contributions were only disruptive in nature, never for their opinions. I liked this, even though I have often been the target of negative comments. I also respect and support someone's right to dissent, and this is one of those golden lessons a young person should get to learn. It is far preferable that they get such an opportunity amid a mature group that will respect them and their growth than in the majority of online communities where intelligence is not a priority.

Ignorance is bad, information is good. We seriously need to dethrone the idiots in our government so we won't need to hide in shame from them. I feel like this decision has been a submission, and while I understand it, it makes me uncomfortable.

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Dear Madame,
Beautifully said.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
I think that the no-teens policy was made solely by Rob E. and is a reflection of either his own conservative views or else his fears of our facist government overreacting and shutting down the LPSG.

Also, wouldn't having all potential members agree to the "terms and conditions" of membership (including that they are at least 18 years old) be enough to absolve Rob E. from any liability?

It seems to me that irrational fears are trumping common sense here.

 

[Dr Rock]

I think that the no-teens policy was made solely by Rob E. and is a reflection of either his own conservative views or else his fears of our facist government overreacting and shutting down the LPSG.

well, the guy is forced into a corner by the current sociopolitical climate, i can appreciate that. and i realize that having spent a large amount of money (and time and effort since) on the site, he has a much larger investment at stake that the rest of us. I can't reasonably judge him on that cos i don't know what it's like; i can only say that we should ALL be doing our utmost to let the bastards in authority know that they can go fuck their moral dictatorship up their saggy white asses, and if i was in Rob's position i'd be thinking of ways to do that rather than ways to avoid their tiny-minded wrath. :shrug: as it happens, it ain't my call anyways.

 

[madame_zora]

No, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes either, but I am unclear as to why our previous situation was deemed unsatisfactory. The reason we are wading into the muck is because young'uns are able to see nudity, which was not the case before. I'm not aware of any laws that prohibit teens from READING. That being said, I really don't know- it could be that there are things in the works of which I'm unaware. It just makes me sad that an object in motion couldn't just stay that way.

I don't blame Rob for wanting to protect his rather sizeable investment, but this is a community of friends, and without those there is no community.

 

[B_caneadea]

No, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes either, but I am unclear as to why our previous situation was deemed unsatisfactory. The reason we are wading into the muck is because young'uns are able to see nudity, which was not the case before. I'm not aware of any laws that prohibit teens from READING. That being said, I really don't know- it could be that there are things in the works of which I'm unaware. It just makes me sad that an object in motion couldn't just stay that way.

I don't blame Rob for wanting to protect his rather sizeable investment, but this is a community of friends, and without those there is no community.

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And, without the community there is no LPSG. Nice move Rob. E.

 

[Irvy]

The thing is, this is the internet. That means that

a) if a 14 year old wants to see naked pictures of men or women, they will.

b) 14 year olds are far more sexually aware and sexually active than even in my generation, and I'm only 31

c) if they don't have a safe place to anonymously get advice, they'll end up in an unsafe place, and get bad advice.

I maintain, if having under 18s and a gallery with naked pics in the same place is a problem, GET RID OF THE GALLERY.

 

[Pappy]

I agree, let the teens back in and do away with nudity in avatars and do away with the gallery or atleast restrict gallery access to Gold Members Olny.

 

[Irvy]

I think it's important to establish whether this is truely a site for discussion on the subject of penis size, and for supporting those who have issue for it, or whether it's a "rate my rod" exhibitionist site, or a gay site for people who like showing off/looking at big dicks.

How many teens have come here in the past looking for help and have left immediately because they assume it's a gay porn site? How many have gone into the chatroom to be instantly pvted by some 50 year old asking whether they have a big cock, and are they stroking it?

I think there are far more sites out there dealing in the exchange and supply of naked photos than there are sites genuinely offering support, advice and discussion on the issues relating to size.

I know in my real life, I'm kind of the agony uncle of my circle of friends. I'm gay, but all of my friends are str8, and many times I've been asked questions by them that they feel uncomfortable discussing with their str8 friends incase it embarresses or annoys. Straight guys have questions about their bodies just the same as gay guys. In the course of that conversation, that may involve discussing size, or whatever. It doesn't mean they have gay or bi leanings or curiosities, and to suggest such would only make them more uncomfortable, as that is exactly the reaction they wished to avoid.

So I guess it comes down to a simple question. Is this a support group site, or nothing more than a repackaged rate my rod?

 

[B_caneadea]

I think it's important to establish whether this is truely a site for discussion on the subject of penis size, and for supporting those who have issue for it, or whether it's a "rate my rod" exhibitionist site, or a gay site for people who like showing off/looking at big dicks.

How many teens have come here in the past looking for help and have left immediately because they assume it's a gay porn site? How many have gone into the chatroom to be instantly pvted by some 50 year old asking whether they have a big cock, and are they stroking it?

I think there are far more sites out there dealing in the exchange and supply of naked photos than there are sites genuinely offering support, advice and discussion on the issues relating to size.

I know in my real life, I'm kind of the agony uncle of my circle of friends. I'm gay, but all of my friends are str8, and many times I've been asked questions by them that they feel uncomfortable discussing with their str8 friends incase it embarresses or annoys. Straight guys have questions about their bodies just the same as gay guys. In the course of that conversation, that may involve discussing size, or whatever. It doesn't mean they have gay or bi leanings or curiosities, and to suggest such would only make them more uncomfortable, as that is exactly the reaction they wished to avoid.

So I guess it comes down to a simple question. Is this a support group site, or nothing more than a repackaged rate my rod?

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I say that it absolutely is ( or was ) a support site. And I am referring to the forums section. Of course, with all the censoring going on now (notice that Yanno's post that started this thread, has been erased by our new owner), who knows what the LPSG will become? It's certainly a lot more right wing conservative. People can choose to patricipate in the forums or the gallery or the chat room. Or they can avoid any one of them. Just my thoughts.

 

[Quadrille]

I agree, I wish I had the support this site offers when I was that age, I was...rather confused to say the least. I can honestly say, I haven't even checked out the gallery yet, and I might, but I could easily live without it. The avatars I don't really pay attention to, they're kind of just there, although there used to be some nice ones :tongue:. I liked reading the posts of many of the "minors", and I miss some of them. Sure, as I read in one of the many posts on the topic there were the irritating "Am I big enough" posts and the like, but those weren't all that common. And even when they occured, it's not like they were unwarrented. True, they should have searched the forum first and found one of the past ones. However, I know I, and all of you wandered if I were big enough(I'm not nearlly as large as this site's "average" as it were. I'm 7.5 inches long by 5.5 inches around on a good day) and I had to wait quite a while before I found out I was "above average". It is our duty as men to help these kids and to reassure them as much as we can. Otherwise where else are they going to get their information? Their friends? I doubt they'll go to their parents, most kids aren't lucky enough to have that, I remember a post about a father on here who did, and I felt glad for his son. But I know I didn't have that kind of relationship with my father, and I doubt that many kids do.