Surprise Surprise-Senate Repubs Protect Big Oil

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  1. b.c.

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    Democrats own the presidency, the senate, and the house why can't they do what they really want to do with something as trivial as lifting liability limits at a time just like this; sustaining a filibuster to do so if needed? Out the Republicans. Make the case.

    What is wrong with Demos?
     
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    "sustaining" a fillibuster means continuing it, I think you mean breaking it....and I agree- if they're serious about this, Harry Reid needs to threaten to force the GOP into actually fillibustering- as in, forcing them to talk their heads off.
     
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    Maybe they're "outing" them by doing nothing. It'll be remembered that the Republicans blocked the effort.

    Just as they (under Bush) limited the ability of "Joe the Plumber" to sue a corporation for damages or injuries from a defective product.

    Just as they applauded the SCOTUS when they ruled for no limits on the monetary value of campaign contributions that they line their pockets with.

    Just as they whine and cry over the stimulus package, healthcare reform, extended unemployment benefits, and just about anything else that helps the average JOE (the plumber) while at the same time trying to make someone else out to be the villian.
     
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    sus·tain (s[​IMG]-st[​IMG]n[​IMG])tr.v. sus·tained, sus·tain·ing, sus·tains 1. To keep in existence; maintain.
    2. To supply with necessities or nourishment; provide for.
    3. To support from below; keep from falling or sinking; prop.
    4. To support the spirits, vitality, or resolution of; encourage.
    5. To bear up under; withstand: can't sustain the blistering heat.
    6. To experience or suffer: sustained a fatal injury.
    7. To affirm the validity of: The judge has sustained the prosecutor's objection.
    8. To prove or corroborate; confirm.
    9. To keep up (a joke or assumed role, for example) competently.

    :biggrin1:
     
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    wtf?:confused:
     
  7. b.c.

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    Let me translate it for ya: The headline read "Bill to Lift Spill Liability Is Blocked" - by Republicans, did it not?

    The headline didn't read "Bill to Lift Spill Liability Passes" with a byline about an attempted Republican filibuster, did it?
     
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    One Democratic president, I forget which, did this in the past. It was some crisis or another, and he sent hundreds of bills to the Republican controlled Congress, knowing they would be blocked. He then ran for reelection, highlighting this and asking people if they wanted the Democrats to fix the country, or vote for the "Do nothing Republicans". He won in a landslide.
     
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    And it appears that history is going to repeat itself. :wink:
     
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    lololololol... Seriously, you're really this clueless?

    Pathetic.
     
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    Pathetic maybe. But he is sticking to a principle which is ingrained in US politics... Never, ever admit to an error or a mistake.
     
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    PSA FOR TPA-VINCE

    Words can have meaning in context. As in programming TPA you can 'overload' a word's definition based on the parameter(s) you pass into it. Function overloading - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "....something as trivial as lifting liability limits at a time just like this; sustaining [or bearing->enduring] a filibuster to do so if needed? Out the Republicans. Make the case."

    What do you think sustaining means in these cases?

    1) sustaining a hardship
    2) sustaining an injury
    3) sustaining a car crash

    That people support hardships, injury, or car crashes?

    sus·tain

    –verb (used with object)1.to support, hold, or bear up from below; bear the weight of, as a structure.

    2.to bear (a burden, charge, etc.).

    3.to undergo, experience, or suffer (injury, loss, etc.); endure without giving way or yielding.

    4.to keep (a person, the mind, the spirits, etc.) from giving way, as under trial or affliction.

    5.to keep up or keep going, as an action or process: to sustain a conversation.

    6.to supply with food, drink, and other necessities of life.

    7.to provide for (an institution or the like) by furnishing means or funds.

    8.to support (a cause or the like) by aid or approval.

    9.to uphold as valid, just, or correct, as a claim or the person making it: The judge sustained the lawyer's objection.

    10.to confirm or corroborate, as a statement: Further investigation sustained my suspicions.

    —Synonyms
    1. carry. See support. 3. bear. 5. maintain.

    bear·ing

      –noun1.the manner in which one conducts or carries oneself, including posture and gestures: a man of dignified bearing.

    2.the act, capability, or period of producing or bringing forth: a tree past bearing.

    3.something that is produced; a crop.

    4.the act of enduring or capacity to endure.

    5.reference or relation (usually fol. by on): It has some bearing on the problem.

    6.Architecture. a.a supporting part of a structure.

    b.the area of contact between a bearing member, as a beam, and a pier, wall, or other underlying support.



    7.Machinery. the support and guide for a rotating, oscillating, or sliding shaft, pivot, or wheel.

    8.Often, bearings. direction or relative position: The pilot radioed his bearings.

    9.Surveying. a horizontal direction expressed in degrees east or west of a true or magnetic north or south direction.

    10.Heraldry. any single device on an escutcheon; charge.

    en·dur·ing


    –adjective
    1.lasting; permanent: a poet of enduring greatness.

    2.patient; long-suffering

    en·dure

    –verb (used with object)
    1.to hold out against; sustain without impairment or yielding; undergo: to endure great financial pressures with equanimity.

    2.to bear without resistance or with patience; tolerate: I cannot endure your insults any longer.

    3.to admit of; allow; bear: His poetry is such that it will not endure a superficial reading.
     
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    Fine, you meant that the Democrats should be willing to "suffer or endure without giving way" a Republican filibuster.

    But as you said, context is important and when people speak about filibusters, the side doing the act (the filibuster), are in the minority and must sustain it without giving way under pressure from the majority. This is the common and excepted usage of the term "sustain a filibuster". It means you give it sustenance, support, encouragement.

    Search Google for the phrase "sustain a filibuster".

    and so on...
     
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    oops.. double post
     
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    Never in my life have I seen someone online spend so much time vigorously defending their own ignorance. Amazing... lol... wow.
     
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    Oh, so you relied on common usage rather than an interpretive view of the word sustain. I'm sorry but when I used socialism in its common usage form I was pilloried in a fashion for doing so. I so assumed this was a well capable, sophisticated audience and that I in like kind could rely on that fact elsewhere.

    I kid you, but TPA... not so much.
     
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    As you wish...
     
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    What you should have said instead of "As you wish...":

    "We were relying on the fact that you were a person of common usage - our bad."
     
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    From your own research of the definition of the word 'sustain'...

    Or in the context here, to 'sustain' a filibuster...

    It's not my fault that you can't even figure out the appropriate meaning of a word, for a given context, even when it's right in front of your face.

    Like I have told you multiple times before... Educate yourself BEFORE engaging topics that you do not understand. That way, you don't make yourself look like a fool.
     
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