Suxual repression in the usa ?

[LaFemme]

Of suxual repression?

I know, I read the post

Nope. I am suxually repressed every damn day! Free me Seymour!

 

[Crimsonlurker]

I don't know. See i don't think the us is repressed sexually. Or at least theres some wiggle room there with terms? I mean i might be splitting hairs here but many and i mean many people in the US aren't all that restrained when it comes to sex. They may not be as honest to others about what they do but for the most part they still do it. With the exception of more exhibitionist things that is.

I'm thinking it's more a case of selective sexual repression? Some categories of people being freer than others to do what they like. Like with nude beaches. I'm guessing america doesn't have more because of most american's inability to control themselves. That along with a judicial system that generally allows for that behavior. Sure, there's a religious aspect to it but that only further widens the scope of how bad it is.

Read an article not too long ago about a teacher being finger wagged at for some nonsense. It having less to do with inappropriateness and more to do with body type and once again people not being able to control themselves. Which has much more of a connection with sexism than it does anything else.

I mean just about anything and everything is sold in america off of sexuality or sexual images. So when it comes to repression i don't think theres a complete repression there maybe more sexual manipulation geared towards profit and control.

Just an idea.

 

[nailz]

Especially when it seems to me that violence is far more acceptible than sexuality in the media here in America.

I love comments on violent movies where concerned parents ask if there is any nudity.
Like its totally OK for their kid to see people dismembered, tortured, shot, blown up, set on fire, etc for hours but god forbid they see a few seconds of boob

 

[MissExhibitionist]

I think the people are good but it is (society, the government, the people in power whatever you want to call it) being told that a female cannot be topless on a beach, things like that, the people are being stopped held back from what they want to do, have you ever seen a group of USA young men go to a European beach for the first time? it is hilarious, they think they have died and gone to heaven LOL

It is not in all cases and nudism is just an example I am giving, there are many more, there are places people can live as nudists, there are some nude beaches, but it is in general, a woman or a man is frowned upon a lot more, it is making people carry on this feeling that nude bodies, sex etc is a bad thing, even look at advertising, go to France LOL everything is sold on TV by sex (ok a slight exaggeration) but a lot of things are sold by sex appeal.

 

[Scarletbegonia]

I think the people are good but it is (society, the government, the people in power whatever you want to call it) being told that a female cannot be topless on a beach, things like that, the people are being stopped held back from what they want to do, have you ever seen a group of USA young men go to a European beach for the first time? it is hilarious, they think they have died and gone to heaven LOL

It is not in all cases and nudism is just an example I am giving, there are many more, there are places people can live as nudists, there are some nude beaches, but it is in general, a woman or a man is frowned upon a lot more, it is making people carry on this feeling that nude bodies, sex etc is a bad thing, even look at advertising, go to France LOL everything is sold on TV by sex (ok a slight exaggeration) but a lot of things are sold by sex appeal.

In the US, you hear comments about appearance on the nude beaches, what ones there are, and it's often not actually at the said clothing optional spot.
Since I burn by the light of the moon, topless beaches aren't my thing. I've done clothing optional hot springs, however.

But overall, I'm personally modest in clothing day to day. That doesn't make me repressed, it keeps me with fewer cancer lesions. A good thing.

And plenty is sold by sex in the US. I see it as an outgrowth of the repression, it's what people want the most, and controlling (typically women's) sexuality by commodifying on one hand and shaming on the other ask, while holding up impossible beauty ideals will seriously mess up a social psyche.

 

[MissExhibitionist]

I agree @Scarletbegonia, if you notice I did say that I do not think that it is the people I think it is more the system, but as for advertising USA is no where near selling on the "sexy image" of other places in the world, normally in the USA if you are selling butter you may have an advert of how good it is for you or a family using it, I have seen in other countries half nude men and women rubbing all over their bodies !!! I am not saying this is right but no one moans about it it is accepted, really sex in advertising and selling is way down in the USA.

As I say not saying I agree with this just that it is totally accepted in other countries, I could give so many other examples, sex products being sold etc etc

Yes, I am modestly dressed in a business suit most days and no that does not make you repressed, again as I said its not the people its the system that is doing it.

I spend my life in business travelling internationally and you really would not believe some of the things LOL

 

[deeperthanyou]

I love comments on violent movies where concerned parents ask if there is any nudity.
Like its totally OK for their kid to see people dismembered, tortured, shot, blown up, set on fire, etc for hours but god forbid they see a few seconds of boob

Seeing a naked body like yours could spoil a young mans expectations to last a lifetime.

 

[LaFemme]

Seeing a naked body like yours could spoil a young mans expectations to last a lifetime.

Way to stay relevant.

I know you meant that as a compliment but it's pretty dismissive and patronizing of nailz' intelligent comment. Try to know when to flirt.

 

[Big4Asia]

Americans are repressed in some very odd ways.

They shower before, during and immediately after sex (the taste of soap)
They'll talk about anything other than what they want
They're fast to 'slut shaming' and slow to condemn a guy for any sexual crime
They watch a lot of porn - but try to hide the fact from each other
They 'play' on sites like this only after their spouse / partner is in bed
They disapprove in public about what they fantasizing about in private
They hate to imagine public figures ever having sex
And are rarely naked at home, especially when they have children

Sex is put in a little box marked 'naughty' - all very,very weird

 

[AlteredEgo]

Society is normally taken as all, the people, or the governing body of the people creating that feeling.

Yes, I agree it is the people, but I suppose it is the larger group of people, the USA is still a very religious country, or like to present itself that way and of course the ideals that most here have would go against the large part of society ( or the larger group of people) that would disagree with it.

Sorry for not making myself clear, I am not American and some things I write may be phrased differently to most.

You view the United States like only a foreigner can, which is understandable. Do you realize just how vast our land is? The culture of the people living where I live now is shockingto me when I compare it to the culture in the part of the country from which I came, a mere 400 miles due north. How likely, then, could one expect it to be that the culture in Seattle (for example) over 2,000 miles away wouldn't be distinctly different as well? While there is such a thing as a generalized American culture, ideals and mores, music and customs that are ubiquitous if not universal, there are differences in society and culture that are huge and glaring as one travels from region to region within the nation. You may have to adjust your paradigms accordingly.

 

[MissExhibitionist]

Errrr not just a foreigner lived in the USA for 10 years, I still own 2 businesses in the USA I also now spend approx 6 months a year in the USA, not only have I traveled all over the USA I have driven all over it, my last trip a few months ago was approx 2,500 miles from New York to Las Vegas, I actually have a lot of experience of the USA.

I certainly agree views and culture are very different in different areas but I as do some other people from the USA above agree that it is as I say.

We could turn it round, without knowing if you have traveled much make the statement of do you realize how sexually free a lot of the rest of the world is, but without knowing you it would not be fair to do that.

Also I am originally from Canada which land wise in size is larger than the USA ! so yes I do realize about size.

 

[AlteredEgo]

Ask any Floridian if she can't spot snow birds 100 yards away. Hahaha Yes, I am well-travelled, well-read, and curious enough about the world and other people that I do know how liberated (not just sexually) other people are in some parts of the world. I also know how uptight some parts of the world are. Do you?

As an aside, Canada is not a large country. The land itself is more vast than the US, but nearly all of it is empty. Nonetheless, people in Montréal are not so much like people in Vancouver as to be indistinguishable and just generally Canadian. This only is my point.

Based upon your explanation to me regarding society and people, you use the word society when you really mean culture. The words are not interchangeable. Society literally IS the people. Culture is what the people do and how they think. What some of us have tried to tell you is that American culture, while rooted in the puritanical ideals that still dominate the northeast and the Bible belt, is actually comprised of many sub-cultures.

In New York City, where I lived for my first 27 years, there is such a diverse and dense population that you couldn't possibly hope to accurately assign many cultural facets to all 20,000,000 people in the metro area. There's just enough in common to hold them together. But if you're in Chelsea, Greenwich Village, or Alphabet city you'll find a much more sexually liberal audience than if you asked your same questions in Flushing. And that's just the difference 20+/- miles makes.

I have also lived in New England where the sexual repression is so thick it can be cut with a spoon. You know. Unless you go to P-town where it's much less repressive as long as you're male and gay.

I've lived in Miami, and own a home in central Florida. The part of my family that lives where my house is, are conservative Jews. I'm not Jewish, but they don't let me wear pants. Or show my hair. Or sing outside. I wouldn't describe them, their neighbors, nor mine as sexually liberated. The area is mostly very conservative middle class and poor Christians. There are no nude recreation venues like I've seen in other parts of Florida, and in New York. It's scandalous that I don't go to worship services of any kind, and considered friendly to show up unannounced and unbidden just because my car was in the driveway on Sunday afternoons. In south Florida, a lot (though not all) of the nude recreation is designed to be family friendly. But if you're looking for a little sub-tropical heat it isn't hard to find. If you're looking to talk about sex, open your mouth and someone will join you. Looking to find sex? It might find you! South Florida, the Miami metro area is a liberal oasis in a desert of conservatism. That's because of those who live there as much as those who visit.

When you visited Las Vegas, did it not occur to you even then, standing in the city built by outlaws, the place that turned the desert into a gold mine, a Mecca for partying, that Vegas too is part of American culture? A place where repressed people can blow off steam, sure, but also a place where the more free can explore themselves.

The Pacific Northwest is one of the most chill places anywhere let alone the US. Even when I lived in New England, the place most tarnished by our ancestors' religious fanaticism, I found pockets of true freedom.

So. Is it accurate to say American society is sexually repressed? No. The society is too diverse, and so is the culture.

 

[MissExhibitionist]

Ha Ha I think it is one we will have to agree to disagree, but thank you for a good intelligent conversation, I certainly am not a snowbird, as I say I lived in the USA for 10 years and all my travel to the USA is for business., all in all ( I am older) I have spent a lot of my life travelling and have traveled to over 70 countries so I have experienced the good and bad of many countries.

As for realizing how uptight some countries are, yes I do know and do agree, I have traveled extensively, lived in 5 different countries and at the moment have bases in 2 countries that are very different and worlds apart in thinking and distance.

When you say “Nonetheless, people in Montréal are not so much like people in Vancouver as to be indistinguishable and just generally Canadian.” They are very different, do not forget you have 3 different cultures as there are the Canadian and the Quebecois ( I say this as you were talking about Montreal) even though the word Quebecois does refer to anyone from the Qubec region it is normally applied to the French speaking and they would not be very happy if they were classed as just Canadians, there are still quite a few people in the region that do not even speak English, one of my best friends mothers only speaks French and lives quite a different life, and does have quite a different culture, then you have the First Nations people which is a large group in Canada there are over 600 First Nation Governments in Canada, they again are very different culturally and would not like to be classified as Canadians, They are First Nations people and their culture spreads over thousands of years.

You mention that “As an aside, Canada is not a large country. The land itself is more vast than the US, but nearly all of it is empty’ do not forget that the USA is not very dense in population, it is not 100% correct but England can fit into Texas nearly 5 times, therefore if the USA had the same density of population as England the USA would have all its just over 300million people living in Texas, in fact the USA is a very lowly populated country compared to most but yes Canada has a very low population density.

You say about how I have used the words society and culture, yes you are correct I have interlaced them with the incorrect meaning at times but I do honestly believe that society and culture are repressed in the USA, as an example I am in Europe at the moment and last night ( I must admit it was terrible) there was a TV program on mainstream TV that was a dating program but the person picked on body looks ! Something I disagree with but women would see 6 men from the neck down totally naked and the TV would show everything, the person with the host would discuss openly penis size, shape etc and then a man would be put in the same position choosing a woman (terrible TV, but apparently shown in a lot of countries in Europe) but it is on openly on a mainstream channel, other things that are shown very openly are gay programs, advertisements for sex toys and many other things, I believe that a lot of these things would not be acceptable in the USA by the mass of society or culture, please do not get me wrong I know there are people and I am sure most here would not mind but it is not the mass.

I also agree with you on living in large multi-cultural high density cities I have also done that and yes there is a difference between people and their attitudes but it will depend on the mass of the people which will sometime dictate culture, i.e. if a TV program was put on and the mass of people were to disapprove because of their culture and / or beliefs then society would find it inappropriate.

One part that you say :-

When you visited Las Vegas, did it not occur to you even then, standing in the city built by outlaws, the place that turned the desert into a gold mine, a Mecca for partying, that Vegas too is part of American culture? A place where repressed people can blow off steam, sure, but also a place where the more free can explore themselves.

I do disagree with, Las Vegas was not built by outlaws, anything but actually, it was founded by people finding a route to Las Angeles it was originally a green lush valley inhabited by Indians and it became what is known as part of the Old Spanish Trail and the first main migration was of Mormons who cultivated the land and were farmers.

Yes, it is a Mecca for partying and yes it is part of American culture but one thing not to forget that apart from American Indians USA culture is still very young when compared to other places, an example is where I am at the moment has been populated since the 6th Century and there has been a town since the 14th Century, perhaps that is why one of the oldest professions is legal here LOL Although Nevada does have some (but very little legal prostitution, very few brothels and all in out of the way areas) in a lot of areas such as Las Vegas it is illegal, I am not someone that agrees or disagrees with prostitution but again why is it illegal in as you say a party city ? Most things that can be done in Vegas can be done in any European capitol and perhaps more, as I mentioned before, live sex shows, prostitution etc etc, not saying things like this are good but they are allowed.

In my last trip to Las Vegas I was there for 3 months the trip before for 2 months all in all over a period of many years I have spent over 2 years in Las Vegas, in fact it is where my companies are based ( no they are not in the sex industry LOL) in Las Vegas it is a fun place and a good party place, but it is no more liberal than many many cities all over the world for freedom of what you can do in fact you can do less than some cities.

One thing I will say is that I really do love the USA, I like the people and I like the country, but perhaps it is a personal thing I feel as if people can do more in other places and actually have a bit more freedom to do as they choose, I do not say that is always good!

All I can do is give my view after living in the USA and other countries that I have visited or lived in, and everyone is welcome to their view, that is what makes us individuals.

If you look up articles about the subject of Sexual Repression in the USA it is widely written about, a couple of fun articles are :-

http://www.alternet.org/story/15497..._makes_america_a_less_healthy_and_happy_place

And

http://www.martyklein.com/censorship-and-the-fear-of-sexuality/

 

[ronin001]

Just remember when it comes to Real Estate, it is not the size of the property; but Location, Location, Location

 

[AlteredEgo]

The Las Vegas to which you refer was all but a ghost town after the railroad strike and the government diverting attention to war. In fact, you are squishing the history of the whole valley together with the pre-history of the city. The people you're talking about founded the Old Spanish Trail, not the city of Las Vegas, and the people who first incorporated the city were gone from old age, murder, and poverty by the time Las Vegas became the city of vice it is known as today. The "Indians" left when their numbers had dwindled so low they couldnt sustain themselves. They accepted relocation and supplies before Las Vegas was incorporated. The casinos were founded by shady businessmen, Mormon leaders, and Mafia crime lords spearheaded the whole thing. It would still be a ghost town if Hoover hadn't built the dam, and I'm not sure how they were able to make gambling legal again. Everything in that city now is the direct result of criminals wanting to profit from the baser instincts of overworked, lonely men. To conflate the time when Las Vegas referred to a series of holes in the ground to get water on a trade route with the playground it is today seems disingenuous at best and intentionally misleading at worst. I apologize if ignorance is the culprit and you really didn't know. But, if you did know the difference, it's unfortunate for you that you sought to correct a person who has probably forgotten more about Las Vegas history than most people have ever known. I fell I love with the weather and the hospitality industry there in my early 20's and became obsessed.

Similarly specious is the counterpoint made to my statements about Canada being mostly empty. What is the purpose, other than distraction, of comparing US population density with UK? The UK is 7.75 times as densely populated as the US, but only has 2.5% the landmass and 20% the population, making it not a remotely comparable population to the US, unless the comparison is made in order to avoid the actual subject. The fact is, the population density of the US is 10 times that of Canada, where the population is just 11% of the US population. All of this ignores the obvious comparison that the density of the US population, about 85 people per square mile are pretty well distributed until you hit the center of the western half, and then it picks up again on the other side nearer the west coast, while Canada entire population, give or take a million people are all smooshed together within 100 km of the southern border. Therefore, even though the density is a whopping 8 people per square mile, Canadians are mostly all packed in on top of each other. Yet, none of that takes away from my main point which was that borders are arbitrary and while there are cultural facets in common amongst all Canadians, even in a country as small as that (36 million residents compared to the 321 million folks residing in the US) subcultures create clear distinctions between those in a major west coast city like Vancouver and those in a major east city like Montréal. Subcultures. Small parts of the general culture, all members of the same society.

I also agree with you on living in large multi-cultural high density cities I have also done that and yes there is a difference between people and their attitudes but it will depend on the mass of the people which will sometime dictate culture, i.e. if a TV program was put on and the mass of people were to disapprove because of their culture and / or beliefs then society would find it inappropriate.

With this I wholly agree. Yet the porn industry makes loads of money here because what they keep off of television to avoid exposing children, just about everyone watches privately. And just because the government is run by oppressive people, that doesn't mean the general population actally agrees with all of it. Most people polled would support legal gambling in one form or another, most polled would support legalized marijuana, yet our governing bodies maintain the illegality of these things in most of the country. Government is culture. The culture is repressive, yes, but society is mostly progressive here.

 

[185248]

The Las Vegas to which you refer was all but a ghost town after the railroad strike and the government diverting attention to war. In fact, you are squishing the history of the whole valley together with the pre-history of the city. The people you're talking about founded the Old Spanish Trail, not the city of Las Vegas, and the people who first incorporated the city were gone from old age, murder, and poverty by the time Las Vegas became the city of vice it is known as today. The "Indians" left when their numbers had dwindled so low they couldnt sustain themselves. They accepted relocation and supplies before Las Vegas was incorporated. The casinos were founded by shady businessmen, Mormon leaders, and Mafia crime lords spearheaded the whole thing. It would still be a ghost town if Hoover hadn't built the dam, and I'm not sure how they were able to make gambling legal again. Everything in that city now is the direct result of criminals wanting to profit from the baser instincts of overworked, lonely men. To conflate the time when Las Vegas referred to a series of holes in the ground to get water on a trade route with the playground it is today seems disingenuous at best and intentionally misleading at worst. I apologize if ignorance is the culprit and you really didn't know. But, if you did know the difference, it's unfortunate for you that you sought to correct a person who has probably forgotten more about Las Vegas history than most people have ever known. I fell I love with the weather and the hospitality industry there in my early 20's and became obsessed.

Similarly specious is the counterpoint made to my statements about Canada being mostly empty. What is the purpose, other than distraction, of comparing US population density with UK? The UK is 7.75 times as densely populated as the US, but only has 2.5% the landmass and 20% the population, making it not a remotely comparable population to the US, unless the comparison is made in order to avoid the actual subject. The fact is, the population density of the US is 10 times that of Canada, where the population is just 11% of the US population. All of this ignores the obvious comparison that the density of the US population, about 85 people per square mile are pretty well distributed until you hit the center of the western half, and then it picks up again on the other side nearer the west coast, while Canada entire population, give or take a million people are all smooshed together within 100 km of the southern border. Therefore, even though the density is a whopping 8 people per square mile, Canadians are mostly all packed in on top of each other. Yet, none of that takes away from my main point which was that borders are arbitrary and while there are cultural facets in common amongst all Canadians, even in a country as small as that (36 million residents compared to the 321 million folks residing in the US) subcultures create clear distinctions between those in a major west coast city like Vancouver and those in a major east city like Montréal. Subcultures. Small parts of the general culture, all members of the same society.


With this I wholly agree. Yet the porn industry makes loads of money here because what they keep off of television to avoid exposing children, just about everyone watches privately. And just because the government is run by oppressive people, that doesn't mean the general population actally agrees with all of it. Most people polled would support legal gambling in one form or another, most polled would support legalized marijuana, yet our governing bodies maintain the illegality of these things in most of the country. Government is culture. The culture is repressive, yes, but society is mostly progressive here.

OMG, if there ever was a case for pent up sexuality....Ghost town, gambling, criminals, population density...smoooshed together, packed in on top of each other.................all points to a tentacle invasion, abduction and sexual experimentation to me.........

 

[185248]

Nope. I am suxually repressed every damn day! Free me Seymour!

You?.

 

[AlteredEgo]

OMG, if there ever was a case for pent up sexuality....Ghost town, gambling, criminals, population density...smoooshed together, packed in on top of each other.................all points to a tentacle invasion, abduction and sexual experimentation to me.........

You're such a tentacle tease. Release the Kraken!

 

[185248]

Must kontrol the kraken, kalling kraken control, kum in.....

 

[185248]

You're such a tentacle tease. Release the Kraken!

For some reason or other there were all these phrases which just leapt out..such as... spearheaded the whole thing, instincts of lonely men, a whopping 8, and becoming obsessed in your 20's.....I must be repressed to read such things into your post....