Take the red pill, please

[malakos]

I think you mean subjective.

No. I mean, when one uses the phrases "high quality" and "low quality", one is referring to a unified standard which one is using to judge and measure degrees (of quality).

 

[sodominsane]

not supposed to be a tread about what women want.....if you have a vag or have seen a vag in the last 4years....there is no way you can have any idea of what women want...
can we please get back to the idea of human value being from within.....and to a certain degree or the fact that the Red pills methodology for measuring value is falty.....or at the very least recognize its transient nature.....and the ups and down of which are certainly affected by luck and often not your virtue....due to the inability to control it

 

[sodominsane]

or better yets.....submit your own deconstruction of ANOTHER red pill tenent or term

 

[wallyj84]

alot of times its not.....didn't want to make this about what attracts women.....more about flaws i need pill theory

but if we must go down this road......lets see from the very well last see who we can get the best opinion from...hummmm....dateless men....they would certainly know right..... Hummnmm guys so baffled by women they have turned to red pill...and pick uupartist literature to find out what.....surely they know

or for the thousands time we could ask WOMEN...what a novel idea.....they will ofcoase line up to tell you.....its all about dicksize....money ....look....height....education ....and status.....

just so i don't get blasted....hahahaha tight and juicy........that sarcasm!!

while i can't speak for all women.....all the likes i have gotten on the original post are.....drum roll please.......women!!!!!!!

my experiences have said.....charisma....sense of humor(you don't have to be George Carlin...a bit of sillyness trumps a canned thought out routine )

ability to make socal connection....show a bit of caring for the person....damn most guys are so poor at this part they settle for you to fake that your only 90percent a self absorbed egotist instead of full 100percent(thank god for that)

Can you at least try to use proper grammar? I know my grammar is far from perfect, but this is like trying to read the rantings of a schizophrenic.

 

[wallyj84]

No. I mean, when one uses the phrases "high quality" and "low quality", one is referring to a unified standard which one is using to judge and measure degrees (of quality).

Fair enough. I might argue that quality and value are two different things though.

 

[sodominsane]

Can you at least try to use proper grammar? I know my grammar is far from perfect, but this is like trying to read the rantings of a schizophrenic.

actually i won't....english is not my first language.....si I'm not going to waste time correcting spelling....puctuation or grammar..

especially for something not really important....this is a dick forum ....not the new England journal of medicine

I'm gonna guess your grammar in your third language if choice is not all that fly(American slang from the 90s?)

infact i will probably get worse since the cats out the bag and i no longer need to try to look smart...

i also think it is a waste if time YOUR to plunge through the rants of schizophrenic ......you should probably be pouring through research concerning the COCK WARS.....or HUNG Privilege.....dont forget to check your grammar and punction.....before submitting it to the department of penile taxation

 

[malakos]

Fair enough. I might argue that quality and value are two different things though.

That they are! That's a smart distinction. It may serve the conversation at one point.

Seeing that quality refers to an objective standard, does it not follow that speaking of a "high quality" mate refers to such a standard that would qualify a person as a good and worthy mate?

 

[wallyj84]

That they are! That's a smart distinction. It may serve the conversation at one point.

Seeing that quality refers to an objective standard, does it not follow that speaking of a "high quality" mate refers to such a standard that would qualify a person as a good and worthy mate?

Yes, but what constitutes a high quality mate won't be exactly the same for everyone. That is why I prefer the word value to quality.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

This thread... This thread is worthy of another mosh pit. This thread gets a fuckin award from me. @sodominsane .. you kick so much ass.

 

[sodominsane]

coming from another asskicker....thats mighty fine compliment....but I've always been an admirer of your work....just didn't post much....business is slow lately....cause I'm low value....well it's trending down

anyways gonna try and tackle red pill tenent.....tommorrow....might go with how high drive sexually satisfying women who know there way around the stick shift (red pulled know them as sluts) are somehow bad?

red pullers was originally a misspell....but i think ill let it ride......sorta like the tea bag party

 

[malakos]

Yes, but what constitutes a high quality mate won't be exactly the same for everyone. That is why I prefer the word value to quality.

Nonetheless, the principle stands: you conceded that what makes a valuable mate is not standard, universal, or objective. So it's not like the same way of speaking could just be transferred to another word. There is apparently no sense in speaking of any particular person has "high/low quality", nor "high/low value", because what is valuable is to some extent variant and subjective.

You could perhaps say that a set of traits are "generally valued", or that it is "common" for them to be valued, but that's about as far as you could go. It wouldn't provide sufficient basis to make judgments about the overall worthiness of any particular person.

 

[sodominsane]

This thread... This thread is worthy of another mosh pit. This thread gets a fuckin award from me. @sodominsane .. you kick so much ass.

oh and mosh pit is always where the fun is at the punk show

 

[GorillaHorse]

My largest fault with red pill/ blue pill thinking is that it is another diametric argument to explain something that has more colors than red and blue. The Matrix was an awesome movie (trilogy? meh). It was a movie though. To believe that you can do what they do in movies with your life is a fail from the start.

If you want to talk about the Matrix, we can do that. It is about a lot more than red pill / blue pill and that is why it is a good movie. It covers multiple facets of life. It is about transcendentalism lifting the veil of fakeness that exists when you conform to fake ideals that mean nothing to you. These red pillers that are about fucking women with "game" are fucking retarded. Let them fool themselves with their pills.

So these red pillers take their pills and feel all high and mighty, diametrically opposed to the blue pillers which they once were. It is just another example of culture clash and those reacting the most bogus get the most attention. So they build up their armies and jerk eachother off with their "knowledge" of "game". By getting your attention, they are winning. Even if it is negative. A troll is a troll. Luckily they will never get attention from any sane women and hopefully will never reproduce, and die off.

 

[GorillaHorse]

Some of the issues I have seen with guys in this forum is they are trying to project perfection and possess perfection.

Women are dehumanised and we get virgins, in their 20s posting here bleating on about 'game' and being an 'alpha', yet asking everything they can about sex (based on porn) because they are terrified of appearing less than experienced. It's all smoke and mirrors.

If they tried to form an actual bond with a woman, these things would come naturally in mutual exploration but their view is warped by certain sites in the name of self-improvement. For a lot of these guys it's the first time they have had a sense of belonging, but unfortunately they bond over a sense of entitlement and superficial values.

What I'm saying is, if these guys want to put time into focussing on themselves, cool. They need to make sure they are focussing on the right things though.

I see more delusion chasing than trying to project/possess perfection.

Ahh, I know those red pillers. The Internet is a cesspool at times. Anonymity brings out the worst in people. The stuff they really want to say but never can in real life. They get on there keyboard and feel like they took a red pill and they can say whatever the fuck they want and it has some truth or value.

Of course if they tried to form an actual bond, they would learn by trial-and-error, but that is hard, and they just want to take a pill and be enlightened without knowing that they are doomed to fail. The irony is thick in this tale. A sense of belonging coming from shared ideals is great but it should be from your own truth, not something you read online.

They could focus on the right things, but they won't. Focusing on the right things reveals how shitty they really are to themselves and causes a short-circuit from logical failure. When you act like there is objective truth/value to your ramblings, you are doomed to fail. The same kind of goes for life. When you act like there is only objective value/truth to your life, you fail to see it for what it is. It is what it is. Nothing more. Nothing less. Get over it. You're no Jesus, ya you're no fucking Elvis. -Megalomaniac by Incubus.

 

[halcyondays]

Money can't buy you love but it will improve your bargaining position.

 

[rtg]

You're no Jesus, ya you're no fucking Elvis. -Megalomaniac by Incubus.

Side note, I love this song!

 

[wallyj84]

Nonetheless, the principle stands: you conceded that what makes a valuable mate is not standard, universal, or objective. So it's not like the same way of speaking could just be transferred to another word. There is apparently no sense in speaking of any particular person has "high/low quality", nor "high/low value", because what is valuable is to some extent variant and subjective.

You could perhaps say that a set of traits are "generally valued", or that it is "common" for them to be valued, but that's about as far as you could go. It wouldn't provide sufficient basis to make judgments about the overall worthiness of any particular person.

I can't agree with your argument because value is inherently subjective.

 

[GorillaHorse]

Side note, I love this song!

Fuck yeah, I'm glad someone here has heard it.

 

[malakos]

I can't agree with your argument because value is inherently subjective.

That's precisely the point. If value is subjective, there's no sense in using objective language to speak of any person as not good mating material. The subjectivity of value means that you can speak of someone as not being a good match for you, or you can speak of certain qualities that are generally not conducive to solid relationships, but you can't absolutely say that anyone is not good mating material. A certain individual may not be valuable to you as a mate, but they may be valuable to someone else, so referring to them as generally "low value" doesn't work.

The consequence of the confused logic of "not valuable to me" = "low value person" means that technically a heterosexual man could say that "all men are low value", which is an obvious absurdity.

 

[jace2144]

You can take a red pill, discover how the slot machine works, yet still find enjoyment in feeding it quarters.

You can be poor, sub-par on the looks scale, with a menial 'job', and yet be confident, happy, jovial, and "attractive" to many.

There are women who won't date a guy if he pulls up in a beater '82 Datsun truck, because of the truck. Too bad for them. Move on from that ho.

If you're happy and confident in yourself, regardless of how many boxes you check on the "List of Superficial Success", then you're gonna subconsciously project that towards the world around you, and people will see you differently.

The happiest most confident mother fucker I know has some sort of mental disability that makes him not quite a full 52 card deck but not a lost cause either. He runs parts for the local Chevy store and loves life and posts selfies all over social media every chance he has cell service. $12/hr, lives with his mom, nobody cares cuz he's cool shit.