Take the red pill, please

[wallyj84]

That's precisely the point. If value is subjective, there's no sense in using objective language to speak of any person as not good mating material. The subjectivity of value means that you can speak of someone as not being a good match for you, or you can speak of certain qualities that are generally not conducive to solid relationships, but you can't absolutely say that anyone is not good mating material. A certain individual may not be valuable to you as a mate, but they may be valuable to someone else, so referring to them as generally "low value" doesn't work.

The consequence of the confused logic of "not valuable to me" = "low value person" means that technically a heterosexual man could say that "all men are low value", which is an obvious absurdity.

But I never said anyone was bad mating material. I just said that there are certain traits that a person can have that will make them more attractive to most people.

 

[GorillaHorse]

wally just burned your straw man so hard malakos

 

[malakos]

But I never said anyone was bad mating material. I just said that there are certain traits that a person can have that will make them more attractive to most people.

This whole thread centers around the concept of "high/low quality" or "high/low value" persons. I've established that we can't speak of anyone in this way in an objective or general manner, by premises that you agreed to. To now make it about "attractive to most people" is shifting goalposts. You can't logically justify general references to persons being "high/low quality" or "high/low value" on the basis of what is attractive to the majority of people.

 

[wallyj84]

This whole thread centers around the concept of "high/low quality" or "high/low value" persons. I've established that we can't speak of anyone in this way in an objective or general manner, by premises that you agreed to. To now make it about "attractive to most people" is shifting goalposts. You can't logically justify general references to persons being "high/low quality" or "high/low value" on the basis of what is attractive to the majority of people.

So are we just throwing out value as a concept? Because common concensus is how value is determined for most things.

Just to clarify, my personal definition of high value is an individual with traits that are attractive to a large majority of people. I think that is a pretty fair and realistic way of looking at the concept.

 

[sodominsane]

next red pill thing.....the notion of confidence......red pill and pick up artist will always say be confident be confident be confident

not just pick ups and red pillars.... damn even your mom will say be confident

women like confidence

yes....in fact most people are attracted to confidence

NOW here is the rub.....confidence is not something you just BE

confidence is a product of being good at stuff.....i know i have great math skills....i know I'm a damn good fighter .....so if i walk into a math classroom....im.gonna be confident....walk into mma gym....even a new one I'm comfortable...i move around and spar a bit...roll once or twice ....I'm recognized as a fighter.....

we are confident at the things we are good at

i recently started learning to play the violin ....trust i suck ass....fingers to fat...bad ear...clumsy bow work

but I'm still trying....but when i go to class recitals....i am not confident....feels awkward inside....and body language shows it

now the guys who are dorky ,socially awkward ,and women hating enough to actually need and seek the advice if these obviously misogynistic sources

clearly they are not successful with women

so why in the world would they be confident....

the attempt to put on confidence often comes off as arrogance....mean spirited....aloof .....even desperate and pushy


even if you do pull it off....it's hard to keep up for a long time.....ya might end up the sheep in wolfs clothing .....surounded by wolves...baaaaaaah

also the hard part women can be some socally adept and intututive creatures.......don't believe me....even on line...no face to face meetings....even on this site. ....they build alliances....spot phonies and give remarkable advice

so unfortunately for the budding pua red piller........they can sniff out fake confidence like a FART IN A CAR

stop listening to bad red pull advice....and be yourself.....it will work better....and if along they way you pick up a bit of natual confidence......great