Talking about cosmetic surgery

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  1. snoozan

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    This has come up with some other members while talking off the site, and in a few (notorious) threads, and I wanted to pass it on to see what other members think.

    I've been looking into cosmetic surgery a bit lately-- I've had a child and lost 75 pounds or so, and between both of those things, parts of my body have really changed. I'd really like to wear a bikini and feel sexy in lingerie, and though I'm hoping that exercise and losing the last 20 pounds or so will make that possible, I also know that there's a distinct possibility that they won't. So I've looked into a few procedures.

    Since doing that, there's never been a thought that I'd try to conceal or dissemble or otherwise try to avoid saying that I've had work done. In fact, if I get work done and it looks good, I might just stand by the pool handing out my surgeon's card. :tongue:

    In most cases, and with breast implants in particular, it's usually glaringly obvious that somone has them, and yet both celebrities and non-celebs try very hard to conceal the fact that they have had some sort of enhancement. If you get a mose job or a facelift, it's pretty hard to hide as well. I read awfulplasticsurgery.com a lot, and they've had suits brought against them for speculating that this or that celebrity has had work done.

    What I wonder is, why lie? Why not just come out and say that you chose to have work done and you're proud of it? If natural is somehow better to you, why have work done at all? Why try to pass it off as natural? I have no problem with people who get cosmetic surgery, but I don't like being lied to about it because it is somewhat unfair to people who have chosen to remain natural.

    I know there is some stigma attached to cosmetic surgery-- I didn't like it until I lost all this weight and had a kid, then I understood why someone might want it. In my case, fixing my c-section scar almost seems like corrective surgery. I imagine for most people it's similar.

    What do you think?
     
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    I'm all for plastic surgery, I wish I could afford it!
    Why not have something done, to make yourself feel better.
    But why, do some people feel like they must lie about it?
    I don't get that at all?
    Most people can tell when you've had your tits done,all the women I know who've had them done,they looked great for the first year.
    Suddenly,those who have them made too big, have these ugly baseballs on their chests,others start drooping from the loss of skin elasticity,and others have nipples, going in different directions.
    I don't get why guys,{some of you} think that this look,of having weird looking tits,which you can see in the galleries,are great.Though they are obviously fake.
    Snoozan,I'm all for you having corrective surgery,scars for me are something to hide,when they can be.
    Unfortunately for me, my open heart surgery has ruined my chest,add to that, the creep left left in a pacemaker that wasn't hooked up. I can't sue because, it hasn't harmed me
    yet.
    Ain't that ridiculous!
    cigarbabe:saevil:
     
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    I think there is definitely a need for it. Not just for vanity's sake, but there are valid reasons to do it. I have a friend who had breast augmentation due to a glaring size difference between her breasts. The job was so good, you'd never know she had the work done. I have a friend who is a glamour model in the UK and she will tell you she will never be a Page 3 girl because she has had a boob job and doesn't deny it. In fact, she refers people to her surgeon as the job he did was phenominal.

    For you Snoozan, I would say do what you feel is right for you and for the record, I know you think I am just giving you grief about it, but I truly do think you have a really outstanding pair of breasts.
     
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    People lie because they wish they were naturally beautiful. :rolleyes: I think it's stupid, because if you feel you are beautiful, others will perceive you as being that way. You don't have to have the PERFECT physical attributes to be beautiful. I've thought of getting cosmetic surgery too, and I know I won't lie about it. At this point, I just want to get a breast lift... but once I lose weight, I'm sure I'll need a tummy tuck as well.
     
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    That's exactly right.

    I have had plastic surgery done to get rid of a nasty scar that was left from a seriously bad car accident. It was in a bad place and the way it had grown was causing problems. The scar did come back after the surgery, but it doesn't cause the problems the first one did, and doesn't look as bad as the first.
     
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    If it makes you feel better about yourself...why not do it. It is amazing that people lie though..we don't lie when we exercise or lose weight to look better why do we have to do it if there is surgery involved?
     
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    Some people try to make an issue due to pettiness and just plain bitchy ness. Implants are not the only available method of improving breast comfort and appearance.
    I would like someone to come and call me a liar to my face.
    I hate when some one who is not a doctor will try to tell me what was done and if the procedure exists.
    More than enough information was provided and yet you still have an obvious obsession about it. If you can be fixed with implants you will be lucky. They are cheaper and easier recovery. I wasn't a good candidate for it and could not afford them anyway. I had experimental treatments and a horrific surgery. It was terrifying not knowing how it would turn out.
    Your theory about fairness is neurotic but I don't understand how it matters. You are the only one trying to make a comparison. I asked my dock about doing an x-ray and posting it but he said it would never satisfy some like you who is obviously crazy and mean.
    I had my procedure at a university hospital as part of a study.
    The fact that it was successful is some how dubious to you.
    Dubious is just an ugly and stupid word. Couldn't you use more eloquent phrases?
    here in DC we party in boats on the Georgetown waterfront. I have been a bit tipsy and let many people feel my breasts but only if I get to feel theirs ,of course.
    They like to "motorboat' my boobs. That is where you put your face between them and do some silly thing that sounds like a motorboat.
    No one says implants or no implants are better . They just feel different.
    The only point in what I said in my posts about them is that they are softer because I don't have implants. 38DD would probably feel hard if they were implants. I don't know about now but the water implants don't feel natural at all. Try to get silicone if you can. beware that they could be really heavy from what I have heard. Go to strip clubs and see and feel the girls boobs to see what you want. whatever procedure you have do not get dissolvable stitches.I read on the internet that they don't do that anymore but be sure your results will last. The really good doctors can use your muscle tissue to reshape your breasts . You won't look exactly natural but you will look good and they will feel nice.
     
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    I've seen on BBC a documentary about cosmetic surgery.

    How they do it, what they do, success stories and failures.

    Well it's incredible how doctors are professional and they do miracles.

    I think I wouldn't ever be able to afford plastic surgery, and having that money I think I would prefer to spend it in a different way, and I'm not really sure I would like to take the risk of getting what I didn't want (i.e. my former manager's girlfriend got even more paranoid because she didn't like her "new" nose), or bear a failure (scaring scaring scaring), perhaps if you really haven't got much to loose, you think different.

    I never wanted surgery for my big ears even though it would have been fully paid by national insurance, and when I was younger they were really really big, now I find guys who appreciate my big ears!

    Although I'm not that bad the only thing I would consider once older would be a dental implant, eventually.

    At the end of the day if you someone don't fancy me for some shallow detail I don't care, there are many fish in the sea.
     
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    Yeah, I agree, where the hell did that come from?

    Snoozan, I realize that we were a bit bundled up when I met you, but I must say, I thought you looked fantastic! I couldn't see your torso, but I could see your snug jeans. Nothing at all wrong, from my perspective.

    However, if you have the means and the desire, go for it, babe!
     
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    I dated a woman who had a tummy tuck and removal of her C-section scar together. She was, and is, very beautiful. I say, go for it if it makes you feel better. Implants? Nah. I've never seen esthetically pleasing implants. But supposedly you can't tell with the good ones.
     
  12. snoozan

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    You're too nice.

    [/quote]However, if you have the means and the desire, go for it, babe![/quote]

    I honestly don't know yet. Next time we go to a Phelps protest, mercurialbliss and i will wear skimpy swimsuits to give them an eyeful, and you can let me know what you think about the cosmetic surgery. :tongue:

    Your thread did get me thinking, but in all honesty that's not what motivated me posting this thread. In fact, it's not my breasts that I'd get done-- even though they aren't perfect, they are big and soft and they don't bug me that much. This isn't about your tits, and I'm sorry if it came off that way. That's kinda old news.

    The surgery I'm looking at is a mini tummy tuck and/or lipo. My abs are actually in decent shape from exercise, and I know there's a lot I can do with exercise. However, I had a c-section and I have quite a nasty scar, as well excess fat and skin around the incision area that look awful. I'd really like to feel comfortable in a swimsuit next year since I just lost so much weight, and I kinda feel like I deserve it.

    What's also interesting to me is that I wasn't as sympathetic to people that got cosmetic surgery as I am now. I still think there's something to staying natural and aging gracefully and all that, but I understand the motivation better.

    My biggest problem has always been that availability of cosmetic surgery skews what we think of as beautiful and gives a very narrow range of what everyone should look like. The kind of cosmetic surgery I like is the kind that looks like it was never done. I don't like most implants because they don't look like real breasts. Interestingly, this sort of thing comes up for me a lot when I'm working. I have tools at my disposal for photos where I can make alabaster smooth skin, take off weight, remove all wrinkles and skin blemishes, fix teeth, change the shape of body parts, and more. However, I don't do it all-- I want my clients to look good, but I want them to look realistic. I might soften (not get rid of) wrinkles and crow's feet, smooth out skin a bit, or smooth a bump on the nose, but at some point I think a photographer can go too far, and there are a lot that do. I feel like good plastic surgery and good photo retouching both subtly enhance what it already there, not make people look like someone else, or a 50 year old look 20.

    A lot of people say that, and I agree. For me, the desire really has nothing to do with other people and more to do with how I feel about myself. I'm already married and I don't really have anyone in my personal life to impress. With that said, people really do treat you differently when you're attractive. Just from losing all the weight I did, people treat me much better than they did before. It's pretty amazing. My main motivation for losing weight was actually that I thought it would help me get more clients, and so far I think I was right about that.

    Actually I've been thinking exactly along those lines.
     
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    Snoozan,

    I've seen your gallery pics and I think you are a beautiful woman. There are very few people who come in these "assumed" perfect sizes. And, to be quite honest, most men prefer women with some 'substance' over those whom we constantly want to feed - if you get my idea.

    Back to you... If you are interested in doing comestic surgery then do it! To hell with what people think. If the truth be told, many of them would like, want or would actually have a procedure (s) done if they could afford it. You have to be comfortable with your body and your image. If you are not, then you will never have that feeling of completeness or garnish self-affirmation of who you are. I am in the same boat as you in some regard. I've worked hard to get back to this "size" but there are some elements that I am not fully satisfied with. I'll be seeing a surgeon in February or March to discuss options.

    Best wishes and good luck in whatever you decide.

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    but what was all that crap about lying about surgery?
    Where do you get off calling people liars?
    Are you the surgery police?
    You were really harsh to me in the past and I was very helpful and willing to share information.
    Everyone I have ever known to get surgery has told other people where to go and been excited about what they had done including me. I was always upfront about what I have and have not had done and you were such a jerk about it.
    I'm glad you have changed your tune.
     
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    If you want it then do it. Simple.

    No one with any manners, short of perhaps close friends and family, should ask if you've had work done and no answer is required. A simple demure smile and gentle rebuke along the lines of, "Isn't the weather lovely/awful?" should shut up all but the most boorish of people. It's none of their business and you owe them no affirmation or denial.

    Celebrities are a different animal altogether. They're creatures of the media. Don't base what they do or say as an example for your behavior. A polite person won't ask and a polite respondent won't answer.

    I must say I also find a certain irony in that here's a textbook example of sexism. Snoozan asks about plastic surgery and gets loads of support. Men ask the same question in the Making It Bigger forum and receive everything from ridicule to well-meaning platitudes telling them to love who they are and how they were made. As a society it seems that it's OK for women to correct perceived defects in size or shape or appearance but not men with their penises. <---- just an observation, not a hijack.
     
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    This isn't about you! I was posing a general question that veered off into a more personal discussion that came partly from the fallout of that thread of yours but also came from my general life experience. My point/question was about how people who have work done choose to conceal it and why. It's an interesting social phenomoenon, and one that I don't get since it runs so contrary to what my own reaction would be in the same situation. It's also interesting that having cosmetic surgery is still at least somewhat taboo in our society such that people think they need to keep it concealed. I was asking more in a general sense about all that and what people thought of it. Everyone was also kind enough to encourage me and talk about my own concerns/thoughts on getting surgery myself.

    I think there was plenty of jerkiness going on in that thread and it wasn't limited to me or the others who questioned the veracity of your claims on what you have or haven't had done.

    But again, that wasn't the point. The point is that people do often lie about what surgery they have had done or why they do it to make it more socially acceptable, and that's an interesting topic to me. For example, you often see women who get breast augmentation explain they did it because their breasts were uneven and not because they wanted bigger/nicer ones as though the former reason is more acceptable than just wanting better tits.
     
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    You mean it was bad manners for them to talk about my scars and what I did or didn't have done. It's ok to be open when I offered the info to start with. I just didn't want anyone to assume I wouldn't be soft and natural because of my size. So many people try to claim that women never had large size breasts before implants and that all big breast are saggy or fake.
     
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    This isn't a hijack at all, actually. It's one of the things I was getting at with my OP. The interesting thing is that where a lot of cosmetic surgery for women doesn't affect anything functional, penis enlargement can very much affect sexual function. It would seem that logically PE would be more acceptable because of that, but it's not the case.

    With that said, plenty of women hear the "love who you are" stuff and it's not all bad. The truth is, surgery isn't always the best option because it doesn't fix your psyche and it's not always permanent or the best way to fix a certain problem. I was told by a personal trainer not to get a tummy tuck but instead work on my problem areas with exercise and diet first because those things will cause a more lasting, healthy change. It's advice I'm following.

    The other thing, to me, that's interesting is that in my own mind the surgery I'm considering is more acceptable to me because I see it as corrective in nature rather than simply cosmetic. For me it's somehow different in my head that I'm trying to fix existing surgical scars over just wanted a nice looking abdomen even though if I get the work done my abdomen will probably look better than it ever has. I don't know that it really should matter why I'm thinking of getting it to feel okay about it. The idea that we can justify cosmetic surgery to ourselves and others by making it a medical condition and not just a vanity concern is interesting to me, and says a lot about how equivocal our society is about the topic.

    I think people only commented on your breasts because you made a big deal out of them being real and natural in your posts and to a lot of people they look like your typical porn star implants. I'm not saying they are or they aren't real, just that by bringing it up you made it an issue.

    The part that is gemane to this topic is that such a big deal has been made by you and others (including me) about whether they are real or not and what those reactions say about how we feel as a society about cosmetic surgery in general. We place a value judgement on fake vs. real that goes beyond what they look and feel like.
     
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    This is good to hear. I view surgery as a last option kinda thing but I know of people who prefer it. Either is OK. Go with the trainer and maybe consult a cosmetologist about ways to minimize the appearance of the scar with waterproof makeup. Remember that a good cosmetologist makes you look like you're not wearing anything. That may help in the near-term.

    Haha! And we get ridiculed for restoring our foreskins whether for sexual function or cosmetic reasons. A man who doesn't think his penis is all that and a box of Cracker Jacks isn't a real man. Same is true with most scars. Scars are manly, there's even a whole cult of facial scarification in upper class Germanic countries who fight duels with sharp sabres just to get these scars of honor or Renommierschmiss. To receive one is a mark of pride and a sexual turn-on for women of that society.
     
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    some people don't like implants because they feel different. That as the only reason for clarification.I don't care if it is deal/ So many people will ask anyway. So I hate to answer the same question over and over. My doc said I can have a free spa day if anyone comes in since I had to ask him about what it was called(when they grow back) He said tell em to come for a consult so if anyone does I get a spa treatment.
    I am considering getting a reduction. They are just in the way.
    I wanna shop and fit more styles.
    A lot of people assume EVERY chesty girl has implants . If I let one person feel them then a lot of other people want to. They love to feel for a bag and then they oo and ah about how they are so soft. The thing about implants is they don't flop around. So I wish I had some. The porn stars stick out instead of sliding around. I want what they have but I don't have the money. Mostly I like when women feel them. then all there friends feel them cuz I guess it is a big deal to them to feel real boobs. It is funny. I love chicks touching me. They love boobs on the water front and beaches on the East coast.
     
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