Tea Party and Race:A study

[maxcok]

Isn't "racism" basically when someone has negative connotations about another ethnic group, and assigns those negative connotations to every member of the group? OK, so the video shows racist tea-baggers, but to extend that to saying that the entire tea-bag movement is racist is....well, kinda racist. It's like Bill Maher has often said: Republicans aren't all, or even mostly, racists, but a lot of racists find their home in the Republican party.

Your statement is a wild unfounded extrapolation. No one I'm aware of has 'assigned' or 'extended' the racist label to "every member" or to "the entire tea-bag movement" as you say. I certainly didn't say that. But clearly there is a large percentage of racists within the group, as evidenced by what is seen and heard at the rallies, and as born out in the survey. Read again.

Furthermore, your suggestion that it's 'racist' to call the tea party movement racist is absurd. Although the vast majority are by coincidence or not caucasian, no one I am aware of is critical of or prejudiced against them for their racial or ethnic extraction. btw, I'm caucasian.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

Isn't "racism" basically when someone has negative connotations about another ethnic group, and assigns those negative connotations to every member of the group? OK, so the video shows racist tea-baggers, but to extend that to saying that the entire tea-bag movement is racist is....well, kinda racist. It's like Bill Maher has often said: Republicans aren't all, or even mostly, racists, but a lot of racists find their home in the Republican party.

I think you missed the point of Bill Maher's remark... His point is, not all Republicans are racist, but all of them tolerate racism.

You don't have to be actively racist yourself for racism to hurt others. You simply have to tolerate it.

 

[deleted15807]

I think you missed the point of Bill Maher's remark... His point is, not all Republicans are racist, but all of them tolerate racism.

You don't have to be actively racist yourself for racism to hurt others. You simply have to tolerate it.

It's what I've always said while the Republican Party is not 'racist', if you are they are the party for you.

 

[ZOS23xy]

Well, he didn't last long. Some people, I tell ya.


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She sounds like a self-hating nigger lover. Find a new roommate, preferably one who is not a racist.

Suck on this dick, slut.

Not sure I want to stay on a site where any controversial opinions are censored.

Buh -bye!

I'm not sure anyone wanted you to be on a forum where they had to be insulted by someone with absolutely nothing nada! to say.

Bye, bye...

 

[ZOS23xy]

A poll is based on OPINIONS and is by its very nature subjective.

Polls can be flawed, skewed, influenced by a lot of factors.
But believe what you want - even if it isn't the truth.

Except when someone wants to use a poll to foster opinions on their side.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Isn't "racism" basically when someone has negative connotations about another ethnic group, and assigns those negative connotations to every member of the group?

It doesn't have to be a negative connotation.
The act of racism is to propose a belief that all members of a certain race possess a particular characteristic or ability to make them appear inferior or superior to another race or group. Saying that, "all black people are hung like horses", or "all Asian people are super smart", are also racist comments.

Of course, we're always going to react to the negative remarks

OK, so the video shows racist tea-baggers, but to extend that to saying that the entire tea-bag movement is racist is....well, kinda racist.

That's true to some degree. The poll data doesn't say that 100% of the people that make up the tea party movement are racist. However, based on the sample surveyed there was a big majority of people that do have these divisive sentiments. The only way to combat this is for those within the party that aren't so bigoted to speak up. The longer they allow the negative ones to keep the floor and speak on behalf of the party, the worse it becomes for them.

It's like Bill Maher has often said: Republicans aren't all, or even mostly, racists, but a lot of racists find their home in the Republican party.

Which basically means, the Republicans are providing more of a stage for these ideals to be heard. There are people who have bigoted agendas on every corner of the political spectrum. But right now, the other parties are smart enough to keep them in check.

What good is the ideology of free speech and tolerance without common sense? We all know what these fringers are saying and doing is wrong... so why do many just allow it to happen and go unquestioned? You can't look open-minded by silently condoning closed minded rhetoric.

 

[ZOS23xy]

The whole of the Tea Party business is to allow people to add numbers to their anger and give a place for them to vent. I'd infer that the intent wasn't racist, but to find fault. That racism grew out and into the movement suprized no one. And nothing has been done to tone it down.

And Sarah Palin, calling to put "people in the crosshairs" isn't much of a help either.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

The whole of the Tea Party business is to allow people to add numbers to their anger and give a place for them to vent. I'd infer that the intent wasn't racist, but to find fault. That racism grew out and into the movement suprized no one. And nothing has been done to tone it down.

And Sarah Palin, calling to put "people in the crosshairs" isn't much of a help either.

Exactly... for many of them, it's quantity over quality.
The whole Tea Party Movement would have a lot more respect if they showed up in the hundreds with an openness to diversity and a positive agenda, than in the thousands with a bunch of misspelled signs, their guns and lots of hateful, sectarian doomsday-styled rhetoric.

 

[deleted15807]

.....a positive agenda,

A positive agenda? :lmao::lmao::lmao: With the Tea Party being an offshoot of the angry delusional Republican base how in the hell is that possible? Actually what is positive about the Republican party agenda? Well it is very positive if you are a rich industrialist bent on returning the US to the robber baron days.
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[B_VinylBoy]

A positive agenda? :lmao::lmao::lmao: With the Tea Party being an offshoot of the angry delusional Republican base how in the hell is that possible? Actually what is positive about the Republican party agenda? Well it is very positive if you are a rich industrialist bent on returning the US to the robber baron days.
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I was just saying what they should have been doing. That's all. It's not as if there haven't been Republicans in the past that had good agendas. Gerald Ford and William Weld come to mind. Even Supreme Court Justice Stevens (who is about to retire) is a Republican with some ideals that I can connect with. He's joined the side of other liberals on issues surrounding as abortion & gay rights.

But it's not like anyone who are devout Tea Party members, or follow the current Republican ideology would ever listen to someone like me anyhow. To them, I'm just a "blind liberal". By their polarizing definitions, they even think Stevens is a liberal. Because of that, I'm content to let them dig their own graves. November is coming quickly and they're in for a major surprise come election time.

 

[maxcok]

It doesn't have to be a negative connotation.
The act of racism is to propose a belief that all members of a certain race possess a particular characteristic or ability to make them appear inferior or superior to another race or group. Saying that, "all black people are hung like horses", or "all Asian people are super smart", are also racist comments. . . . .

Is it still racist if it's twue?

Big Bonus.

Have a happy day, y'all. :smile:

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Now you're just being silly. :biggrin:
I love Blazing Saddles!!

 

[maxcok]

Now you're just being silly. :biggrin:
I love Blazing Saddles!!

Who doesn't? One of the greatest movies, arguably the best comedy, of all time.

Anyhoo, we could do with a little silliness, dontcha think? :wink:

 

[deleted15807]

I was just saying what they should have been doing. That's all. It's not as if there haven't been Republicans in the past that had good agendas. Gerald Ford and William Weld come to mind. Even Supreme Court Justice Stevens (who is about to retire) is a Republican with some ideals that I can connect with. He's joined the side of other liberals on issues surrounding as abortion & gay rights.

Oh no doubt there have been good Republicans in the past. However the Republican Party of today is not that party. All moderates have been driven out leaving the hard right. And for the Tea Partiers even that isn't hard right enough.

 

[Bbucko]

I saw this today; it fits very nicely into this thread:

An online news outlet in New York state has obtained dozens of emails, many of them racist and sexually graphic, which it reports were sent by Carl Paladino, the Tea-Party-backed Republican candidate for governor of New York, to a long list of political and business associates. One email shows a video of an African tribal dance, entitled "Obama Inauguration Rehearsal," while another depicts hardcore bestiality.


Paladino's campaign manager, Michael Caputo, would not comment on specific emails, but acknowledged to TPMmuckraker that Paladino had sent emails that were "off-color" and "politically incorrect," saying that few such emails represented the candidate's own opinion. Caputo accused Democrats of wanting to change the subject from substantive issues to "having sex with horses."



The news outlet that obtained the emails, WNYmedia.net, a western New York media company, says it confirmed that at least some of the emails were authentic by contacting several people who had received them.

The entire article on TPM is worth a read.

 

[Industrialsize]

I saw this today; it fits very nicely into this thread:


The entire article on TPM is worth a read.

The emails described:
Of course there's something else that he brings to the table ... his habit of "sending hardcore pornographic and racist emails around town." They include:

• A popular video among white supremacists called "Obama Inauguration Rehearsal," that includes dancing African tribesmen.
• A video titled "Miss France 2008 fucking," that Paladino called "a keeper."
• An image of Barack and Michelle Obama dressed like a pimp and a prostitute, with the subject line, "White House ball."
• An image with the caption, "HOLY SHIT, run niggers, run."
• A bestiality video featuring a man and a horse.

Daily Kos: State of the Nation

 

[Bbucko]

I found this today and instantly thought of this thread.

The author, Bruce Bartlett, is no bleeding heart liberal. In fact, according to his Wikipedia bio he's:

...an American historian who turned to writing about supply-side economics. He was a domestic policy adviser to President Ronald Reagan and was a Treasury official under President George H.W. Bush.

The bio goes on to to describe him as a Libertarian. He's reviewed the findings of the University of Washington's survey of the Tea Party Movement in greater detail and has come up with this observation:

What I think this poll shows is that taxes and spending are not by any means the only issues that define TPM members; they are largely united in being unsympathetic to African Americans, militant in their hostility toward illegal immigrants, and very conservative socially. At a minimum, these data throw cold water on the view that the TPM is essentially libertarian. Based on these data, I would say that TPM members have much more in common with social conservatives that welcome government intervention as long as it’s in support of their agenda.

I'd suggest everyone spend a moment studying the graph at the bottom of the article. Anyone looking to understand the whats and whos of teabaggery will find themselves quickly enlightened. The polling on GLBT rights is especially telling, though the racism and xenophobia are pretty clear as well.

 

[faceking]

Not much of a shocker. The images of their first rally in Washington made it pretty clear what they were about and who the 'enemy' was.

that my friends isn't about the issues, but the fallback of race-baiting... classic libertardism...

 

[justasimpleguy]

Try Googling news stories and studies on blacks being shut out of juries across this country. Try Googling the rates of conviction for blacks and whites for the same crimes. Try finding out how much more likely it is that a black person will be executed for murdering a white person than another black person.

Do all that, then try and come tell me racism isn't alive and well in the US of A.

 

[earllogjam]

I thought this thread was gonna be about white guys who like to suck balls.