Teacher pulls chair out from non standing student.

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  1. Imported

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    Bongermann: http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/142004/index.php

    Now regardless of your personal views on standing for the pledge, we can all agree that it is our legal right, regardless of where we are, to refuse to stand, save for private schools. I am outraged at this, the student who filmed it was reprimanded, the teacher wasn't. What are your thoughts on this?
     
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    That teacher needs to be disciplined for that kind of action. Who knows if the student waspart of a religion like the Jehovah's Witnesses that refuse to salute the flag, or if he was just being obstinate. Either way, Mr. Mantel's actions were way out of line. The student should have been sent to stand in the hall until the anthem and the pledge were finished. It's no wonder that we Southerners find New Jersey yankees so offensive.

    Nothing personal to Massivepckgo Chuck, since he's from Jersey.
     
  3. Pecker

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    That guy is no teacher. We've all had one like him - trying to forcefeed an education with fear and intimidation.

    If they hate their job so much the school board would do them a favor by firing them.
     
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    Wow! Stuff like that really pisses me off. I think it also puts a nasty mark on teachers as well. I think that teachers are one of the most underpaid jobs in the country. We have all had an amazing teacher that was passionate about his/her job that has left a lasting mark on us. Unfortunately this teacher has left a mark but not in a good way.
     
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    my thoughts:

    I think the teacher is a dick.

    I think the kid was wrong for not honoring the national anthem, but it IS his right.

    The kid wasn't hurt, he didn't fall on the floor or anything.

    I don't think the teacher should be saying "damn" and yelling like that in front of the students. It does't command respect. Just as well as the kids shouldn't be cussing either.

    I think the students should be a little more respectful.

    Maybe times have changed in school. It's sad and makes me scared to be raising kids now days. I missed the good old days when you couldn't wear sleeveless, boy's hair had to be above their collars, skirts had to be longer than the girl's arms, no mid-riffs could be showing, etc. But then again, I grew up in a teeny-tiny little town.
     
  6. dcwrestlefan

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    I usually balk at excessive litigation, but this incident just screams "lawsuit".
     
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    I went to a public school for a while, which was in the top school district in the state. The school constantly ranked in top percentiles across the country. Today, there are still some of the same teachers there, and the school STILL ranks among the best public schools in the country, and the school disctrict is always #1 or #2 in the state. When I got to high school, I asked to go to a private prep school, because I wanted to be pushed even more. I guess I was lucky that I never saw any kind of behavior like that teacher, or anything from other students. We were all well behaved, but I think that good discipline starts at the parental level. The parents have to be concerned with their child's education and well being. My mother was very concerned and took an active part in my schooling.

    As to dress codes, while in public school, there was no dress code, per se, you wouldn't have found any far out clothing, because it was an upper-middle class school, and the kids were all well dressed, well groomed, and didn't show up looking like slobs. In private school, we had strict guidelines for hair, clothes, shoes, etc. If you didn't follow the rules, there were consequences. You didn't have to like it, but for what we paid to go there, it didn't really matter, I got a fantastic education.

    I have had my share of great teachers and they have all left their mark on me.
    My mother runs into some of them now and again in social settings, and it's nice to know that they still ask about me by name. I email with one of them. She wants me to come back and visit with her 6th grade class the next time I'm back home.

    A teacher should inspire, not scare. I would hate to have to teach some of the hellions that are in the classroom these days, though. I know it is very different from when I went to high school in the late 80's.
     
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    I know that this is more than likely going to ruffle some feathers around here but I do not think that The Pledge Of Allegiance should be said at schools because it has the phrase 'One nation under God' in it. There are many people who do not believe in God. Some believe in multiple Gods. I feel that that phrase leaves out a lot of people. I also think that 'In God We Trust' should be taken of US currency as well. I am a firm believer in separation of church and state. I'm not saying that I don't believe in God. I actually have a very strong faith but I certainly would never push my beliefs onto anyone else.
     
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    There have been a lot of patriotic e-mails going around asking people to sign petitions to keep the words 'under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance. Most of the ones that I have seen imply that those words were there from the beginning; they were not. The original words written by Francis Bellamy in 1892 were:
    'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' The words under God were added by the Knights of Columbus after Bellamy's death. The truth is, Francis Bellamy has been forced to leave his church in 1891, a year before he wrote the Pledge of Allegiance, because of his socialist views. After he retired, he stopped attending religious services altogether.
     
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    That is very interesting. I cannot believe that I wasn't aware of that. I can always count on you to fill me up... I mean fill me in. ;) It would be nice if we could return to how it was originally written. Perhaps one day we will.
     
  11. jonb

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    A lot of socialist themes have been changed in national imagery. The song "This Land is Our Land" has a little-known last verse, for example:

    In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
    Near the relief office - I see my people
    And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin'
    If this land's still made for you and me

    Marxism itself isn't bad. It's basically about the struggle between those who work (proletariat and petit bourgeoisie) against those who don't (haute bourgeoisie and lumpenproletariat). Most people are simply confused because they haven't heard of the petit bourgeoisie and lumpenproletariat.

    "In God we trust", BTW, is probably blasphemy. I mean, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" and all.

    As for not standing for the Pledge of Allegiance, let's see . . . Jehovah's Witnesses don't, for one.
     
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    ". . . Steve got suspended for 10 days for filming the incident. The school told Corey that it "violated the teacher's constitutional rights" for them to film the teacher without his permission."

    It sounds like the school administration is out of control. I do not think Jersey has a law that prevents anyone from filming an assault. I might even suggest that the school administration go read one of the school's social science texts.

    I hope a teacher and a school administrator or two get the opportunity to have a very personal experience with the American system of jurisprudence. :evilgrin:

    jay
     
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    I really and truly hope that the teacher was at the very least fired. It's one thing to show resentment over the student's actions. But it's flat out belligerency when he screams so loud that the whole school can hear him. If the board of ed in Brick township didn't responde to this with anything other than "calm down", then they're idiots.
     
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    Reminds me, when I lived in the US, I refused to say te pledge, they asked me why, and I told them:

    "I am not an Amercian, I refuse to declare allegence to your country, I will declare allegence to the Commonwelth, or the United Kingdom, but not to a foreign stat, I wouldnt ask you to declare allegence to Russia, so, I will stand and respect your custom, but I will not declare allegence to your country."

    And thy accepted that, so, for the time I was there, I stood for the pledge, but i didnt say it, and they respected that, because I was right! :p
     
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    I only stand but I don't pledge. I don't know why, it just seems pointless, and almost like worshipping an idol. I can respect the country I live in, but as of right now I don't like the direction this country is headed, so that makes me have even more inhibitions about pledging to something I don't even agree with.
     
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    Nationalism itself isn't bad; in moderate doses, it's the antithesis of imperialism. The problem is fascism. The following are the 14 defining characteristics of fascism:

    1) Powerful and continuing nationalism
    2) Disdain for recognition of human rights (Check the New York Times or the Washignton Post or BBC or the Times of India or the Mail & Guardian or any other reputable press to find examples of this.)
    3) Identifying enemies/scapegaots as a unifying cause (Notice all of Bush's focus on 9/11.)
    4) Supremacy of the military (Military spending is half the budget, and the U.S. accounts for half the world military spending.)
    5) Rampant sexism (Bush recently used a convention on women's rights to do more anti-abortion grnadstanding.)
    6) Controlled mass media (Jeff Gannon, anyone?)
    7) Obsession with national security (Notice the no-help-at-all color-coded alert system.)
    8) Religion and government intertwined. (Need we go there?)
    9) Corporate power is protected. (Halliburton, Enron, etc.)
    10) Labor power is suppressed. (As of right now, all the socialist reforms of even the early 20th century are being repealed.)
    11) Disdain for intellectuals and the arts. (This one should be obvious; note Bush's support for all kinds of deliberate misinformation.)
    12) Obsession with crime and punishment. (Alberto Gonzales, anyone?)
    13) Rampant cronyism. (A lot of international felons have been given positions by Bush: Chalabi, Kissinger, Negroponte, etc. Meanwhile, Novak outs CIA agents who just happen to have delivered reports saying Saddam didn't have WMDs or connections to Al Qaida and isn't serving time.)
    14) Fraudulent elections. (Negative votes? More votes than registered voters? Not considered irregularities by Hastert.)
     
  17. D_Humper E Bogart

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    Of course, I think the real sincher is the kid making a stand for his rights?

    Rights?

    You have got to be friggin kiddin me?

    What are these strange things? Isn't it just "do as you're told?" In life, or am I playing the wrong computer game?
     
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    No, Orca, sadly those under 18 don't have much protection for their rights under the law here. We've got a long way to go before we can call ourselves a civilised nation.
     
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    The irony being that, until recently, people were considered adults soon after puberty. With girls, this was usually at their first menstruation; with boys, it could be pubic hair, first ejacualtion, voice breaking, or just a given age, usually with an associated rite of passage.
     
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    now days they aren't adults until they're 18 and out of high school.
     
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