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It's a bunch of angry white Baby Boomers flipping out that the country doesn't revolve around them anymore. Fuck em. What a bunch of privileged whiners.

Here's an article in The Daily Beast which hammers your point home:

Which is why we now have scientific proof that Tea Partiers don’t deserve the label. According to a survey in Thursday’s New York Times, Tea Partiers are wealthier and better-educated than average Americans. They’re not today’s version of the Nebraska dirt farmers who rose up against the railroads and the banks more than a century ago. They’re today’s version of the California suburbanites who rose up against their property tax bills in the late 1970s rather than pay for decent schools for the Golden State’s black and Hispanic kids. They’re the second coming of what Robert Kuttner called “the revolt of the haves.”
 

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And we're supposed to no longer call them "Teabaggers" or the "Tea Bag Party" even though hundreds of them show up in public wearing old hats with tea bags stapled to them like Dingo Balls? I'm sooooo out of the loop.

To be a baby boomer you technically need to be born in or between the years 1946 and 1964. I popped out in 1945. I'm "white", but English quit being my main language a long time ago. I’m not a Republican (anymore) or a Democrat. If $50,000 is considered the median income of a tea bagger I must really be rich because I pay multiples of that amount just in Federal taxes and I see no reason to complain. And I guess those graduate degrees from UT Austin don't count because I'm not a "birther"? Damn. Can't a young senior citizen get a break in this country? I was too old to be a hippie. Too young to be a member of the beat movement. And I'm too successfully self-employed to ever collect Social Security or Medicare.

I'm just a faggot out of sync with times. So, now you all understand why, when the bowel movement was originally called The Tea Bag Party they continue to be Teabaggers to me, regardless of what spin anyone puts on such an over-educated, whiny, self-indulgent group of "haves" who are prone to misspell and only identify with their own delusions and what's in it for them.

At least I don’t need to worry about their “impact” on ‘Mericuhn society, because, amusingly, one of the characteristics not listed in any of the polls is their tendency to suffer Attention Deficit Disorder. And it seems many are headed down the road to early dementia. :smile:
 

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^I call them teabaggers, because around here that is what they called themselves for like a YEAR, before someone finally clued them in that 'teabagging' meant they like nuts in their face.
 

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Here's an article in The Daily Beast which hammers your point home:

Eh, Prop 13 in 1978 resulted from skyrocketing property tax bills resulting from skyrocketing property values. Something was bound to happen. A lot of people were going to be forced to sell their homes, because they wouldn't have been able to pay their property taxes. At the current 1% tax rate here in CA, there's no way my mother would be able to afford the home home she lives in now. The house is worth over $1 million, when it was worth roughly $100K back in 1978, which is roughly the assessed value now. The Daily Beast is oversimplifying the problem that occured back then.
 

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Eh, Prop 13 in 1978 resulted from skyrocketing property tax bills resulting from skyrocketing property values. Something was bound to happen. A lot of people were going to be forced to sell their homes, because they wouldn't have been able to pay their property taxes. At the current 1% tax rate here in CA, there's no way my mother would be able to afford the home home she lives in now. The house is worth over $1 million, when it was worth roughly $100K back in 1978, which is roughly the assessed value now. The Daily Beast is oversimplifying the problem that occured back then.
If people can't afford the taxes on the place they live in, then sell it, pocket the million bucks and move into a cheaper house.

God I PRAY that my place is worth a million bucks a few years from now!!!
 

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If people can't afford the taxes on the place they live in, then sell it, pocket the million bucks and move into a cheaper house.

God I PRAY that my place is worth a million bucks a few years from now!!!

I don't think you quite understand the problem. My mom doesn't want to move, and her and others shouldnt be forced to sell and move to the sticks (or out of state) because they can't afford the property tax bill. That's plain wrong. Do you know how much the tax is on a house assessed at $1,000,000? Assuming the tax rate is 1%, that means the annual tax bill comes to $10,000. For someone like my mom, who is living off my father's pension (he passed away several years ago), that's A LOT of money. I don't think you quite have a grasp on what the property values are like out in California. The median home price is roughly $255,000 as of March of this year, according to the LA Times. Folks like my parents were not (and are not) millionaires, and just because the house suddenly becomes valued at $1 million doesn't mean they suddenly become rich. They bought the house when it was a reasonable $40,000 in 1970. That's over a 2,400% jump in home value. To blame the tax revolt of 1978 on racism shows a serious misunderstanding of California history.
 

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I don't think you quite understand the problem. My mom doesn't want to move, and her and others shouldnt be forced to sell and move to the sticks (or out of state) because they can't afford the property tax bill.

Well, Living in CA may be the root issue.I'd bet it isn't the homes driving up the cost, it's the pop stars.
"Oh...a movie star lived here - up the price 400K...."

Be smart - sell the damn house, put the money in the BANK and move into a nice neighborhood elsewhere.

Living payment free is way better than living with a $10,000 house bill over your head. It is Wrong yes - but to pay that in taxes is just silly. Let some rich bitch scoop up the house that can afford a $1M house. You made a GOOD profit. So live care free. Getting upset over the tax bill is un-needed stress.

In the grand scheme - there are many BEAUTIFUL areas of the U.S. you can live in without waking up at 6am to a smog report.

Oh.. Nothing wrong with Living in the sticks - especially if your retired. It's quiet, generally safe and you can do what you want.
With that kind of money, it's silly to even worry about it. Take the money and run!

I too lost my dad several years ago. We sold the house and moved her into something thats quite comfortable, New, lots of land, and most importantly... Paid.
She can go do whatever she wants, and not have to worry (Or me) about being Homeless in her retirement years.
 
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I don't think you quite understand the problem. My mom doesn't want to move, and her and others shouldnt be forced to sell and move to the sticks (or out of state) because they can't afford the property tax bill. That's plain wrong. Do you know how much the tax is on a house assessed at $1,000,000? Assuming the tax rate is 1%, that means the annual tax bill comes to $10,000. For someone like my mom, who is living off my father's pension (he passed away several years ago), that's A LOT of money. I don't think you quite have a grasp on what the property values are like out in California. The median home price is roughly $255,000 as of March of this year, according to the LA Times. Folks like my parents were not (and are not) millionaires, and just because the house suddenly becomes valued at $1 million doesn't mean they suddenly become rich. They bought the house when it was a reasonable $40,000 in 1970. That's over a 2,400% jump in home value. To blame the tax revolt of 1978 on racism shows a serious misunderstanding of California history.

There are some things your mother can do:

1. Pay for a professoinal appraisal of her home to see if it really is worth what the State of California claims. If the appraisal comes in substantially less than $1,000,000 (which, unless she recently updated the house with a gourmet kitchen, backyard pool/spa, renovated the master bath and added two more bathrooms, is most likely will be the case). She can take the "official" appraisal (here's a clue: counties and cities don't do professional appraisals) and go to item number 2 below. BTW: Her appraisal information is private and she doesn't need to reveal it if she doesn't want to, plus many, many times property is over-valued (actually, most of the time) by the local tax commission just so communities can increase their tax coffers.

And even if she finds out that her home is worth a bajillion dollars she has every right to:

2. Appeal the tax because, as senior living on a fixed income, she cannot afford it. This is codified in California State law. She cannot be taxed out of her primary residence. And as long as she is living at or near the national poverty level she'll probably have her property tax lowered. But she first has to file for a property tax extension and then file the appeal. And if she gets her property taxes lowered she'll discover she is eligible for a bunch of other stuff for women over 65 years of age who don't have a lot of money and live not only California, but the USA.

Then there is the another option:

3. Get off your ass and help her pay her property taxes. This is a great idea especially if you have siblings who should also kick in and help.

And FYI, I am VERY familiar with how property values and property taxes are laddered in the fabulous State of California. :cool:


Oh, and there is always a reverse mortgage option. That means she'll receive additional monthly income and never have to worry about property taxes again. But then her darling children whom she loves more than life itself will not inherit any property.
 
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I don't think you quite understand the problem. My mom doesn't want to move, and her and others shouldnt be forced to sell and move to the sticks (or out of state) because they can't afford the property tax bill. That's plain wrong. Do you know how much the tax is on a house assessed at $1,000,000? Assuming the tax rate is 1%, that means the annual tax bill comes to $10,000. For someone like my mom, who is living off my father's pension (he passed away several years ago), that's A LOT of money. I don't think you quite have a grasp on what the property values are like out in California. The median home price is roughly $255,000 as of March of this year, according to the LA Times. Folks like my parents were not (and are not) millionaires, and just because the house suddenly becomes valued at $1 million doesn't mean they suddenly become rich. They bought the house when it was a reasonable $40,000 in 1970. That's over a 2,400% jump in home value. To blame the tax revolt of 1978 on racism shows a serious misunderstanding of California history.
Of course I understand the problem... I live in the only other state dumb enough to follow California's example, and I've been getting utterly assraped on my property taxes because of that highly fucked up law ever since I bought my place 6 years ago. (here it is called 'Save our Homes')

Taxes are made artificially low for longtime homeowners, and the result is that new homeowners, wind up paying their fair share of property taxes PLUS the tax bill of the politically entrenched deadbeats who refuse to pay their fair share of taxes.

It is very clearly a case where the tyranny of the majority punishes the minority, simply because they have the votes to do so. Or in other words, the majority decided to put self first and abdicate its fiscal responsibility to society, and who gives a shit how many young families and professionals it drives from the state? So long as some grumpy old people get a tax break, who cares who suffers? They certainly don't!
 
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