Tell Rush Limbaugh to STFU!

[invisibleman]

I am a free speech dude. I don't want Rush Limbaugh to STFU. I think that many, many people SHOULD debate with him with contrasting facts on situations so he knows that he is looking up his own ass.

But I think that Rush Limbaugh cuts people off on his radio show when debating though.

 

[invisibleman]

Best just to turn the radio to another station and ignore hate radio windbags equally zealously.

I thought everyone did that.

 

[b.c.]

I am a free speech dude. I don't want Rush Limbaugh to STFU. I think that many, many people SHOULD debate with him with contrasting facts on situations so he knows that he is looking up his own ass.

But I think that Rush Limbaugh cuts people off on his radio show when debating though.

That's if callers get a chance to voice their opinion and IF one with an opposing view gets through (FAT chance).

Most of those shows screen their callers first, before allowing them on the air (by asking what comment you'd like to make for example).

If they get any wind that you're going to have a contrary opinion you'll be "holding the line" 'til hell freezes over.

 

[seterwind]

I'm all for freedom of speech. Wonderful thing that. However, the freedom to lie and instigate hate based on fallacy, should not exists. I should be able to say "Rush Limbaugh is a lying, possibly morbidly-obese, drug addicted, serial-marriage, radio talk show host". Because that is true. If that upsets you deal with the truth.

I should not be able to say "John Stewart, is a lying, obese, drug addicted, serial-marriage, T.V talk show host" because it's not true. I could imply any of those statements, that should be fair, but in all common courtesy and honor, I should NEVER state those points as facts.

That is the difference, Rush states falsehoods, clear and blatant lies, as facts. He will state things that are completely treasonous in their implications, and convince his listeners.

That is not what Freedom of speech is about. It's about being able to say things without worry of persecution. It should not be the right to give the ability to blindly persecute those you hate.

 

[B_Nick4444]

ah, yes!

let's implement the Obama truth squads, as was proposed during his campaign

 

[invisibleman]

I'm all for freedom of speech. Wonderful thing that. However, the freedom to lie and instigate hate based on fallacy, should not exists. I should be able to say "Rush Limbaugh is a lying, possibly morbidly-obese, drug addicted, serial-marriage, radio talk show host". Because that is true. If that upsets you deal with the truth.

I should not be able to say "John Stewart, is a lying, obese, drug addicted, serial-marriage, T.V talk show host" because it's not true. I could imply any of those statements, that should be fair, but in all common courtesy and honor, I should NEVER state those points as facts.

That is the difference, Rush states falsehoods, clear and blatant lies, as facts. He will state things that are completely treasonous in their implications, and convince his listeners.

That is not what Freedom of speech is about. It's about being able to say things without worry of persecution. It should not be the right to give the ability to blindly persecute those you hate.

Well, I think that Freedom of speech protects opinions no matter the validity. I don't think it is right that people can say what they want or spin fabrications. But I think that it goes back to an intelligent audience that is able to distinguish invalid shit from factual shinola. An audience that would challenge whatever they heard on a show. You have people in the world that believes in many views...and you factor that into the understanding equation. There are people in the world that support what he says.

 

[invisibleman]

That's if callers get a chance to voice their opinion and IF one with an opposing view gets through (FAT chance).

Most of those shows screen their callers first, before allowing them on the air (by asking what comment you'd like to make for example).

If they get any wind that you're going to have a contrary opinion you'll be "holding the line" 'til hell freezes over.

Yeah, I won't EVEN start with what you get when on Michael Savage's SAVAGE NATION radio show. And trying to pinpoint what Ann Coulter actually meant what she wrote in her books or what she meant in a speech...you will probably be branded a mysogynist for challenging what she wrote. Or if you are a hot straight guy that challenges her opinion, she may call him a latent homosexual or a faggot.

And maybe all of the sensationalist ideologies are designed to confound the true reason or distract from the real issues. They know that what they write is bullshit and they are selling it to an unaware and unchallenging mindset of a listener and reading audience.

 

[seterwind]

Let me clarify a point. I meant "freedom of speech" in the form of how News organizations use it to hide behind saying whatever they want. My previous post was regarding news organizations and politicians speaking publicly.

I mean if celebrities couldn't lie half the fun gossip in the world wouldn't happen. But yes I would apply my previous posts to tabloids as well.

 

[B_24065]

I'm NOT for Limbaugh "shutting the fuck up". I'm for free speech and he and his ilk have every right in the world to have their say. In fact, I believe we NEED such people.

We need them to remind us of those in our society who still function from an ideology of hatred and bigotry, and that we need continue to be on guard for it.

Every time I read or hear some argument suggesting there is no racism, no discrimination, no racial profiling, no need for Affirmative Action etc. etc. I think of those like Limbaugh, Beck, Walter and Johnson and their followers, and am unconvinced.

Give examples of racism and bigotry coming from any of the above mentioned people. And do not point to limbaughs satires. Find one, in context, and i'll punch myself in the nuts.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

you do realize you are saying you would curtail someone's speech, because you neither agree nor approve?

:no:how far the left is taking us from

No, that's NOT what I said. Can you read? I know you can make an assumption, but you're usually wrong when you do that.

I'm not trying to take anyone's rights away from them. Of course, since the only thing you can see when I type is "lib" you'll resort to your typical prejudicial rhetoric and ignore anything that I ever say, including the parts in my post that expressed the concept of "individuality" when it comes to these kinds of discussions.

Also, I'm telling people that if you want to engage in "free speech" be prepared to deal with the responses. That's the price for exercising your rights to "free speech" and many people seem to take this as a one way street with no repercussions. So go on and say whatever the fuck you want. But if I read it, think you're talking out of your ass and want to tell you the STFU (and believe me many times I do want to), and you don't want someone to be that crass with you in return, then by all means THINK TWICE on what you say. Don't expect people to respond to you nicely if you engage in hateful, discriminating and polarizing rhetoric.

 

[B_Enough_for_Me]

By the way. I'll tell Rush Limbaugh to shut up if you will do me a huge favor, and tell:

Jon Stewart, Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Oprah Winfrey, Alec Baldwin, Bill Mahr, Patton Oswald, Perez Hilton, Goldie Hawn, ...ALL..to shut up as well. They've made comments that are alot more ignorant and inflammatory than Rush. The difference is, you agree with them.

Somebody needed to say it.

 

[SCsoccerMom]

I think the main issue here is civility. The republican party seems to be lacking it recently...

Well nooo....not so sure that lack of civility is the target here....it's any form of organized or disorganized opposition to the policies of the Great Leader....if it was civility I am sure all of you on the left would raise an equal outcry when the brownshirts organized by ACORN, Code Pink, that George Soros group whose escapes me or even the thugs from the New Blank Panthers or AFL-CIO barrage, disrupt, threaten, intimidate and harrass conservative groups or politicians who are there to discuss issues. So far I haven't heard a peep from the left about that activity.

I think what has mom and pop protesters outraged is when they get to these supposed town hall meetings is that the Pol's are not there to listen with an open mind....they are there to propagandize and sell a horrible Bill which they admittedly haven't read and couldn't possibly discuss intelligently. And when they get a whiff of how informed and opposed mom and pop are they cry foul and take their ball and go home....they refuse to see they are following the Great Leader off a cliff like so many blind sheep.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

By the way. I'll tell Rush Limbaugh to shut up if you will do me a huge favor, and tell:

Jon Stewart, Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Oprah Winfrey, Alec Baldwin, Bill Maher, Patton Oswald, Perez Hilton, Goldie Hawn, ...ALL..to shut up as well. They've made comments that are alot more ignorant and inflammatory than Rush. The difference is, you agree with them.

Detailed examples, please... actual quotes are needed here. And let everyone know if they have lead to someone or somebody losing rights, being hurt or actually killed.

And BTW, Stewart & Maher are comedians. People like Lisa Lapanelli & Katt Williams say more racist & inflammatory things than anything heard on The Daily Show or Real Time. If you can accept what these two people say as jokes (and I know you do), then it's foolish to point a finger at Stewart or Maher.

 

[lucky8]

Well nooo....not so sure that lack of civility is the target here....it's any form of organized or disorganized opposition to the policies of the Great Leader....if it was civility I am sure all of you on the left would raise an equal outcry when the brownshirts organized by ACORN, Code Pink, that George Soros group whose escapes me or even the thugs from the New Blank Panthers or AFL-CIO barrage, disrupt, threaten, intimidate and harrass conservative groups or politicians who are there to discuss issues. So far I haven't heard a peep from the left about that activity.

I think what has mom and pop protesters outraged is when they get to these supposed town hall meetings is that the Pol's are not there to listen with an open mind....they are there to propagandize and sell a horrible Bill which they admittedly haven't read and couldn't possibly discuss intelligently. And when they get a whiff of how informed and opposed mom and pop are they cry foul and take their ball and go home....they refuse to see they are following the Great Leader off a cliff like so many blind sheep.

Right, but there are others ways of going about it than screaming "Nazi" and "Anti-Christ" at the top of your lungs. If you actually want to be taken seriously, you don't talk like a 16 year old high school student...to me, this is common knowledge. Just look at the Palin rallies during the election...this uncivil and disrepctful behavior is becoming rampant among those who consider themselves "conservative."

You want to meet a real conservative? Let me introduce you to my Mennonite grandparents. Civil, conservative, and respectful all at the same time...they are true conservatives. It only makes these people look like ignorant douchebags speaking out of anger rather than rationale. I'm all for rebelling against government, because whether it be democratic or republican lead, all government is out to get us. 2 heads on the same snake. But personally, I think anyone with intelligence and class would rather see a civil, cognitive argument rather than a redneck with a dip in wearing a camo hat screaming "Nazi" 10 times in a minute...this is the kind of behavior that eventually leads to violence...


...and btw, im not a liberal...

 

[SCsoccerMom]

Lucky8;
All of what you write is true...where is/was that moral outrage when all of those hedious groups I named where calling GWBush a nazi and writing books and making movies revelling over his asasination...or breaking into press conferences and dispruting that dialogue....all I am saying....the left has a selective memory when it comes to their outrage....and I agree I don't even call myself a republican or conservative...because both have let the people down....I like to think of myself as a consitutionalist. As George Wallace said in 1968...."there ain't a dimes worth of difference between the tow of 'um" (Rep and Dem's that is)

 

[B_VinylBoy]

SCsoccermom: If you can, please list for us an example where a Liberal pundit's hate speech or fear mongering has resulted in American people acting violently toward one another in the last 3 decades. I want to know cause and effect here. Just saying the words or even writing them isn't enough.

 

[b.c.]

Give examples of racism and bigotry coming from any of the above mentioned people. And do not point to limbaughs satires. Find one, in context, and i'll punch myself in the nuts.

Prior to the election Walter and Johnson made several bigoted remarks about Obama and black people in general. Their show consisted of voice characterizations one of which was a black man with very demeaning and stereotypical speech patterns. You'll have to forgive my not writing down what was said verbatim for later reference.

As for Rush's "satires" as you call them, some of the more noteworthy:

Michael J. Fox incident (where he mocked the guy's symptoms), the "phony soldiers" comment, and his characterization of Obama as "Barack the Magic Negro".

Now if you're suggesting he is to be excused because he's a comedian, then I'd have to partially agree.

He's a fuckin' clown alright, and his material sucks.

btw: here are other Limbaugh "gems" (better get ready to punch "them" nutz):

"Limbaugh is critical of feminism, saying that "Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society."

"Limbaugh has asserted that African-Americans, in contrast with other minority groups, are "left behind" socially because they have been systematically trained from a young age to hate America through a widespread movement headed by figures such as Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, and Barack Obama." (source:wikipedia)

 

[midlifebear]

I wonder if Rush still has the same housekeeper he used to procure oxycontin for him?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

15 hours after asking for examples, and still not a single example of Jon Stewart, Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Oprah Winfrey, Alec Baldwin, Bill Maher, Patton Oswald, Perez Hilton or Goldie Hawn making comments more ignorant and inflammatory than Rush. Perhaps they're too busy going through transcripts?

I'll check back in the morning. :biggrin:

 

[B_cigarbabe]

Now you know damn well they don't have any examples or they would have POSTED them for us to view!
I personally think Rush is hilarious and ignorant.
SCsoccermom what is "hedious" please?
Were you trying to spell hideous?
C.B.:saevil: