Tenet confirms Bush didn't lie about WMD

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I don't doubt that the Bush administration sincerely thought there were WMDs in Iraq. After all, Clinton himself -- no friend of the administration -- came to GWB's defense on this, acknowledging that he, Clinton, had made the same assumption.

Now, whether Iraq posed any real threat to the United States notwithstanding its putative possession of WMDs is another question. And I can't see that they did.

That's just simple logic.

You have to ask. Is it possible that they would give those WMD to an enemy of the United States??

Only a fool would answer no to that.

True. Because it is possible that they would ... and blah blah blah.

But because invasion is so fraught with all sorts of problems of blowback, will kill many innocent people, and has an outcome that no one can predict (a fact embarrassingly obvious, I would think, to anyone in the Bush government by this point) ... the mere possibility is not enough.

Saddam Hussein had had very little truck with terrorists ... indeed, several that had been given 'refuge' in his country were treated very badly ... he was not part of any Islamist project ... and he was concerned, above all else, with the issue of surviving in office ... not a goal enhanced by kicking sand in the eyes of the United States.

(Even his invasion of Kuwait occurred only after the American ambassador of the day seemed to suggest to him that the United States would not concern itself in such a matter.)

No, the idea of invading Iraq appealed only to hugely arrogant American neocons who thought the world was a set of chess pieces they could move about with some real sense of how the game would turn out.

This was unrealistic, could give only itch to the gods that be, cost the United States much of the respect it once enjoyed in the world, drove away many of America's allies, increased the fissures in American political life, and to date has cost over 3300 American lives.

The war on terror, predictably, has grown more dangerous.

The Islamic world is more unified than ever, and the extreme Islamists are finding recruitment far easier than before the March 2003 invasion.

There were no WMDs in Iraq. But if, for the sake of argument, we assume there were ... the question you've posed is fair: Was it possible that Hussein would give those WMDs to enemies of the United States?

And the answer, as I've said, is Yes ... but if you think that mere possibility, by any stretch, justifies the Bush regime's war policy ... you are hopelessly over-attached to one of the great specimen's of folly in American political history.
 

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Pete Townshend is a terrorist?? *Re-reads lyrics to Baba O'Reilly* Damn!! It's so freakin obvious now!
No, NO, NO, Pete's not a terrorist, he's terrified of becoming a left bat moonwing. That's like the most worstest thing ever! People even accuse him (wrongly, of course) of lying about his bush having Worst Man's Dingle.

<smirkle> <chort>
 

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JQ,

Tactics for Air. Land. Sea. Reconstruction. Counter-terrorism.

Snookums, he cannot have one tactic for a military campaign.

His tactics are those for a liberated country.

His tactics should be those that are used when occupying a country.

France WANTED to be free from the Nazis and their attrocities.

Iraq WANTS to be a sectarian country and commit more attrocities.
 

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So, Senor Rubirosa, how are you? I'm happy to see spring arriving in my area, although the weather doesn't want to be spring, and can't decide whether to be winter or summer. 35 degrees one night, 85 degrees the next day.
 

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Arrogance: He didn't consult Dennis Kucinich and Cindy Sheehan.

I guess everybody knows everything NOW. But THEN, well it's a little tougher to make decisions I'd say.

Did they make wrong ones ? Of course.
 

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So, Senor Rubirosa, how are you? I'm happy to see spring arriving in my area, although the weather doesn't want to be spring, and can't decide whether to be winter or summer. 35 degrees one night, 85 degrees the next day.

I'm quite well, DC.
Weather here is also indecisive.
I've got some wonderful recipes to pass on ... and this seems the ideal venue.
You know, raising the tone and all that.
Are you on, DC?
I'll assume you are ... and send some later.
Toodley-doo, ol' boi.:cool:

* snirk smuffle *
 

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[/list]...emabrassing ... sticking to ... positions that are clung to without the least bit of fact or logic.

Ihave brillaint and famously demonstrated that thos who continue to do so are just ...well...DUMB!.

Indeed you have, JBQ, indeed you have.
 

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My Grannie's Spice Cake recipe(it really is)

4 eggs, 2c sifted flour, 2tsp baking soda, 1/2tsp salt, 1tsp cloves, 2tsp ginger, 1/4tsp nutmeg, 2c sugar, 1c oil, 1lb pumpkin.(she always grew the pumpkin, and the eggs were from her mother's chickens, mostly Rhode Island Reds)

1. In large bowl of electric mixer, let eggs warm to room temperature(that's what it says)

2. Preheat oven to 350,(thats fahrenheit, for y'all Canadians) sift flour & soda, salt, spices.

3. At high speed, beat eggs & sugar till fluffy. Beat in oil & pumpkin, mix at low speed until just combined.

4. Pour into an ungreased 9" tube pan, bake 1 hour.

Cream Cheese Frosting

1 pkg cream cheese, softened, 1 tbsp butter, 1 tsp vanilla, 1lb XXXX sugar.

In med. bowl, at med. speed, beat cheese, butter, vanilla, until creamy, add sugar, beat until light and fluffy.
 

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Sure he did . If he had WMD ,as everybody thought, brother,THAT's imminent threat.

How long would it take to get some anthrax from a lab in Iraq to a letter at NBC ??

A week??

The only WMD which we know, without the slightest doubt, that he had was sufphur mustard. And we know that because of some villages full of dead Kurds. So the claim that he "had no WMDs" has always been false. He had 'em, and he used 'em. The Iranians have claimed that he used mustard on Iranian troops also, but nobody much cares.

He also had some delivery systems he wasn't supposed to have, namely rockets. We can safely assume they weren't intended just to carry propaganda leaflets.

He didn't seem to be hugely interested in biological weapons, so far as I ever heard.

The state of his nuclear program was never accurately determined. We know of his fascination with exotic weaponry. Anyone remember the SuperGun? That's not proof that he was necessarily obsessed with nukes, but he wasn't the kind of guy you'd want to give the benefit of the doubt.

The general public seems to forget that atomic bombs are 60-year-old technology. If starting from scratch, it would be far more difficult to build a factory to make, say, VCRs, than it would be to build one to make atomic bombs. What once took scientific brilliance and tremendous industrial strength to make can now be made by anybody with enough time and money. Saddam H was sitting on one of the world's great oil supplies; he had plenty of money. All he needed was time. Should he have been allowed to have it?
 

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its all a conspiracy(!), wouldn't surprise me if 9/11 was orchestrated to give them an excellent excuse to rally the troops and go sully another nation with murder and mayhem. all of those cameras focussed on the world trade centre were a little too convient for my liking. what did they have, like 8 angles? that's more than in a holywood blockbuster stunt.
 

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its all a conspiracy(!), wouldn't surprise me if 9/11 was orchestrated to give them an excellent excuse to rally the troops and go sully another nation with murder and mayhem. all of those cameras focussed on the world trade centre were a little too convient for my liking. what did they have, like 8 angles? that's more than in a holywood blockbuster stunt.

How many millions of people live in NYC? It's amazing they didn't have more. After the first plane hit the WTC where else was your attention going to be focused? Most of those videos are from the second tower being hit. You Bush-hating 9/11 conspiracy theorists are almost as immune to logic and reason as JQB is.
 

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Let's play jq bingo. It's like buzzword bingo, except your card, instead of having such things as "paradigm shift," "value-added," "team-based management," and "conceptualize," you have phrases like:

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cut tthe fucking crap, will ya.
Just be honest one day in yer life, will ya?

If you see one of these phrases in a jq post, cross it off your list. I know, it will be a very short game, but it may be fun.
 

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its all a conspiracy(!), wouldn't surprise me if 9/11 was orchestrated to give them an excellent excuse to rally the troops and go sully another nation with murder and mayhem. all of those cameras focussed on the world trade centre were a little too convient for my liking. what did they have, like 8 angles? that's more than in a holywood blockbuster stunt.

Sorry, guy, but this is embarrassing.