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Discussion in 'Et Cetera, Et Cetera' started by mindseye, Apr 1, 2005.
(Well, duh, April Fool, of course.
Happy new month!
oh, you got me! I was like "WTF?"
I know that it is April fool's day, but for some reason I am hard pressed to find the humor in this particular joke.
I am assuming that April Fool's joke was posted before the news that the Pope is indeed dying. He has chosen to remain at his apartment. He is lucid. But nevertheless he body is shutting down.
I for one mourn greatly his soon to be death.
Pope John Paul this morning was said to be the most important figure in the last half of the 20th centurty. Here is a partial list of his accomplishments.
1. He lead a non violent revoluation against communism in Poleland and the rest of Eastern Europe.
2. His persistant call for peace and justice for everyone.
3. His great efforts to solve problems through peace and not war.
4. He spoke at a Lutheran Church. The Protestant Reformation split Western Christianity. Both side condemned the other side to hell. It is not the best chaper in Christian history. But John Paul took the step to heal the deivion and acceptance of both Protestant and Orthodox Christians as part of the holy catholic church. The world Catholic means universal.
5. The Pope went to a mosque with peace
6. The Pope went to the wailing wall and a synogue and refered to the Jews as our brothers.
7. The Pope by just his presence lifted people to do the right thing. He is an extroordinatry man.
8. The rift between the Orthodox and the Roman Catholic Church was also healed under him I think. That may have happend under a prvious pope. But I am almost sure that he was the Pope.
9. The Vatican estabished relations with Israel during the time John Paul was Pope.
Pope John Paul made it clear that others besides those udner the Roman church would be in heaven. He accepted those who in humility served God.
Those of you under 25, don't remember the unbelieveable strength this man had in his earlier years as Pope. His spirituality and his belief was so apprarent. The last 5 years, he has not been able to be as vibrant as before and you younger ones may not remember the outstanding acheivments the Pope did thorugh peace and not hatred or war.
I am Protestant. It means a lot to me to know that under Pope John Paul the Pope was praying for Protestants as well and Catholics and that he accepted us fully as Christians. He is by all historcal records the Bishop of Rome which goes back to St. Peter who established the church in Rome. Rome being the center of the Roman Empire, also became the center of the church after 70 AD when Jerusalem was leveled and destroyed by the Roman Army.
The tradition is there. The truly spiritual strength of this man is there. Even though I am Protestant, he is the man I admire the most.
Now that he is in his last hours, I am grieving greatly. I send my greatest prayers and love to all Roman Catholics and other Christians and others of different religions who held him to such high esteem.
God will be bringing home one of the most spiritual and gifted men of the past 50 years. He will be a great and wonderful moment as he is entered into the gates of heaven. But for us on earth, he will leave a great hole that will be hard to fill.
So to Pope John Paul II, I pray that your last requests be given to you. That you be allowed to remain at your apartment, lucid to the end, free of pain, And leave this world knowing that you have fought the fight, won the course, and are ready to meat your God and face this next faze with great humility and love for those left behind and those that you will see in heaven Jesus Himself the one who seved gallently for a lifetime.
May God richly bless Pope John Paul, the Bishop of Rome, spiritual leader for many of the people in this world.
Thanks be to God for John Paul II.
My apologies if you were offended -- in my mind, the 'humor' lies in the fact that the media frenzy over the Schiavo story has been so surreal that a headline as absurd as the one I offered might almost be believable.
After I posted that, I thought of a different one that didn't involve the second, other tragedy of Pope John Paul II's grave illness. And I wish I had posted this one instead -- it's still absurd, and more "American media frenzy" than the one I used:
Feeding Tube Sells for $250,000 on Ebay.
Yes, it has been a surreal week with emotions running high.
I am also Protestant, but I do have great respect for the Pontiff. He has done much in his time at the Vatican. I have been especially moved by his attention to the healing of "old wounds" that were inflicted during the second World war. He apologized to the world's Jewish communittee for the Vatican's stance during that unfortunate time in history.
well I thought it was pretty funny. I don't get what all the fuss is about re: the pope either - the guy is how old? I dunno exactly, but he's fucking OLD. old guys die, you know; it's hardly unusual, is it?
Still sad though, sad when anyone dies (Nazi's etc are exceptions)
Yeah old guys die, and jokes are just jokes. We could all use the levity, so thanks for keeping us on our toes.
I know Mindseye didn't mean anything by it, thats why I never bothered saying anything, he meant as a reflection on the American media, but maybe wasn't the greatest joke at this time, but he knows that and no need to try guilt trip someone who meant no harm or offense.
However, the bile and hatred in my part of the world has already started over this, where the anti Catholic sentiment is saved up for such ocassions. He might be a old man dying, but he isn't just any old man.
The abuse many Catholics will get in the next week wont be pretty, that is the reality for many of us, of him dying.
Heath, I thought it was a perfect April Fools joke!
This one's for you:
Headline: John Kerry Registers in Mass. for Elephant Gun
Subline: Invites George W. Bush to a Goose Hunt
hung_big: LMFAO! Nice on pecker.
Oh...and yah...about the pope...they come, they go. May he rest in peace, but seriously, he was suffering (as far as I can tell) or in an unstable state, so perhaps it was for the better. God Bless Him and may he find peace in heaven!
Well, the guy is in his eighties, and has had too many serious health bouts in the past few years, so it wouldn't surprise me if he did pass on.
Would it make me sad? Well, I saw him do more of any pope in his time, and experience more than he should have, his attempted assasination for starters.
May he truly go to heaven and touch the face of God.
oh, my mistake. he does have a funny hat. :eyes:
oh, my mistake. he does have a funny hat. :eyes:
And some pretty nifty transportation.
Actually, Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras met in Jerusalem in 1964 and lifted the bans of mutual excommunication between the members of their respective denominations. That sounds more promising than it actually is. The only Eastern Orthodox congregations that accept this are those under the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople. The Patriarch of Moscow (who was in exile) responded with, "How dare he presume to speak for the entire Orthodox community!" The other Eastern Orthodox groups still regard the Catholic Church as heretical.
There is a definite tie between Pope John Paul II and Eastern Orthodoxy. The Pope has relatives that are Orthodox ... hardly surprising, considering the part of Europe that he's from.
I was glad to read about John-Paul's accomplishments because I had forgotten many of the them but, then, he was comparativly young when he was elevated. A lot of reporters say the next Pope will be an older and less willing to change the status-quo.
The great disappointment, in MHO, of John-Paul was his his strict and unbending stand against any change in the Church's view of homosexuality. Scripture and doctrine aside he was simply wrong and betrayed his own fight against Nazis, commies, and the repression of the human spirit.
The other irony of his reign, IMHO, was his condemnation of socialism for repressing religion and his simular stand against capitalism for its elevation of greed. It was a message carfully tailored and softened for the Anglo-Americam "market" but if you knew what John-Paul had said in other places the kissy-kissy huggy-huggy show with GWB was hypocritical and political. On both their parts.
I just couldn't help sharing this one: