Texas bill to protect creationist professors

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The weight of evidence.
Thank you, Max.--even though the cartoon comes from Ventura County, in California, where people think that they are smarter than other people. :rolleyes:

Thank you, Philly, for explaining why creationism and intelligent design "theory" are not science.
 

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SCIENCE:
If you don't make mistakes, you're doing it wrong.
If you don't correct those mistakes, you're doing it really wrong.
If you can't accept that you were mistaken, you're not doing it at all.

ID says we can't know some things, like how the eye formed. No reason to look into it, a Designer that caused it to come into existence. No way we can know any more.

Science rejects ignorabimus until forced to accept (e.g., the Uncertainty principle). ID embraces ignorabimus as its foundation, since the Designer is something beyond. Starting out by placing needless limits on what humans can know is a sad way to go about coming up with explanations.
 

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Thank you, Philly, for explaining why creationism and intelligent design "theory" are not science.
You're welcome. :smile: I don't have any issues with anyone's personal beliefs, but I think it's important to be clear that in an academic setting, facts trump beliefs, and the scientific method has repeatedly shown itself to be the best tool we have (so far) for separating the two.
 

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SCIENCE:
If you don't make mistakes, you're doing it wrong.
If you don't correct those mistakes, you're doing it really wrong.
If you can't accept that you were mistaken, you're not doing it at all.
I remember that one too!

Science rejects ignorabimus until forced to accept (e.g., the Uncertainty principle). ID embraces ignorabimus as its foundation, since the Designer is something beyond. Starting out by placing needless limits on what humans can know is a sad way to go about coming up with explanations.
Exactly. Many scientific revolutions start with someone looking at something and saying, "Gee, I wonder why that happened..." If you don't ask the question - because you presume you already know the answer - you'll never find out!
 

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Science rejects ignorabimus until forced to accept (e.g., the Uncertainty principle). ID embraces ignorabimus as its foundation, since the Designer is something beyond. Starting out by placing needless limits on what humans can know is a sad way to go about coming up with explanations.
Is an ignorabimus an ignoramus with a college edjumacation? :biggrin1:
 

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Is an ignorabimus an ignoramus with a college edjumacation? :biggrin1:

LOL.
ignoramus -> We don't know.
ignorabimus -> We will not [ever] know.

Since it's only possible to philosophize in German, a common response has been
"Wir müssen wissen! Wir werden wissen!" -> We must know! We will know!
 

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LOL.
ignoramus -> We don't know.
ignorabimus -> We will not [ever] know.

Since it's only possible to philosophize in German, a common response has been
"Wir müssen wissen! Wir werden wissen!" -> We must know! We will know!

Actually, I retained enough memory of Latin to guess that that was what it meant, and of course I could have looked it up, but I wanted to make my little joke about "edjumacation"--a term that nicely characterizes what legislators like Representative Zedler are trying to make of education.