Texas gov. Back resolution affirming sovereignty

[faceking]

Technically it will be 3 months on April 20th, not 4 months. Also, watch who you call boy.

Am corrected, ma'am.

 

[Dave NoCal]

Face, that was pitiful, pure projection.
Dave

 

[tripod]

Is this about secession from the Union?

 

[sparky11point5]

Are liberals and progressives disappointed that Obama is being criticized?

No.

Anyone who observes politics at all knows that there is still a significant minority of people who support conservative ideas -- whether these opinions are grounded in reality or not. True conservatives do support some good ides, such as a shift to a consumption tax away from earned income tax. I think that most Obama voters, democrats and centrist independents, believe he is doing a good job, based on his approval ratings. The Republicans and conservatives are not offering any real alternatives, except for tax cuts and petty obstructionism.

However, I am a little surprised about the public tantrums. The reaction of the hard-core right seems to be a mix of nihilists, reactionaries, 'birthers', bigots, and blowhards. I think most Obama supporters simply want to mitigate (literally 'militate against') these wingnuts. You can cast this as defensive, but I think it is the begging of a real, mobilized era of progressive politics, analogous to the conservatives under Reagan.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

However, I am a little surprised about the public tantrums. The reaction of the hard-core right seems to be a mix of nihilists, reactionaries, 'birthers', bigots, and blowhards. I think most Obama supporters simply want to mitigate (literally 'militate against') these wingnuts. You can cast this as defensive, but I think it is the begging of a real, mobilized era of progressive politics, analogous to the conservatives under Reagan.

And THAT is precisely the point.
Even during the primary, I was rather critical on Obama and his abilities. Of course, many people probably forgot this because I've been labeled as one of "dem libruls". And although he hasn't done everything perfect while in office, I believe that he's actually making a noble effort to do what our nation needs. When I speak to most people who are "against Obama" these days, they only throw in the air name degrading rhetoric, or excuses about his so-called "Robin Hood" like tactics to spread the wealth around, steal from the rich and give to the Welfare Moms of the ghetto. They insist on being for our country, yet hope that our nation "fails" over the next 2-4 years just so they can get whatever imaginary Republican candidate in office during the next election.

And they call "dem libruls" the problem.

 

[javyn]

You have no idea how large Texas' economy is or how much it contributes do you? If we became our own country, our economy would be 15th largest in the world, and we do around 100 billion in international trade per year.

But I agree, we SHOULD be cut loose, and stop having to support much of the rest of this country's economy.

BTW, our housing market is still strong, even today. And we didn't need handouts or insane taxes to weather this recession.

I hate Perry, but I live here, and have genuine reason to, but I had to comment on your ignorant post.

PS - To all you Yankees who hate Texas and Texans, fine, I love you for it, but PLEASE stop moving here in droves because the supposedly superior northern state you come from has an economy that cannot support you. We are getting quite sick of all the assholes coming from up north who do nothing but bitch about our state but reap the benefits from living here.

I say cut them loose. The more conservative the state, the more the inequality between what they send to Washington and what they get back.

Let 'em sit in their own swill. It serves 'em right.

 

[B_Nick4444]

PLEASE stop moving here in droves because the supposedly superior northern state you come from has an economy that cannot support you. We are getting quite sick of all the assholes coming from up north who do nothing but bitch about our state but reap the benefits from living here.

damn straight!

round up those Red River wets to escort them out, put up the fence across the Red River, and station the Texas Rangers, I say!

BTW, that should be TENTH largest economy, as Susan Coombs, the State Comptroller stated


The Lone Star State Shines Bright in a Dark Economy

State-by-state comparisons still put Texas at the top of the list in employment and growth indicators.


http://www.businessfacilities.com/bf_09_03_news1.php

 

[faceking]

You have no idea how large Texas' economy is or how much it contributes do you? If we became our own country, our economy would be 15th largest in the world, and we do around 100 billion in international trade per year.

But I agree, we SHOULD be cut loose, and stop having to support much of the rest of this country's economy.

BTW, our housing market is still strong, even today. And we didn't need handouts or insane taxes to weather this recession.

I hate Perry, but I live here, and have genuine reason to, but I had to comment on your ignorant post.

PS - To all you Yankees who hate Texas and Texans, fine, I love you for it, but PLEASE stop moving here in droves because the supposedly superior northern state you come from has an economy that cannot support you. We are getting quite sick of all the assholes coming from up north who do nothing but bitch about our state but reap the benefits from living here.

Same with California... I believe we are the 5th largest economy in the world... and neither party gives a rats ass about the state. Democrats just take their 55 or so electoral votes, and do nothing for the state, because the votes are in the bag, and Republicans don't even bother. I'm generalizing, but we'd be just fine on our fiscal own.

 

[javyn]

Yeah but California is debt addled nightmare, TX isn't.

 

[houtx48]

as they use to say in the late 70's early 80's about yankees '' let the bastards freeze in the dark''

 

[javyn]

Don't get me wrong, I don't care for racist rednecks either...but that isn't limited to the South. Most of the Northerners I've met who come here are just as ignorant, racist and stupid, but they just have a different accent. They just for whatever reason think they are superior somehow.

 

[midlifebear]

I occasionally have fond memories of Texas, especially one evening in New Braunfels, fucking all night long in an open field along the edge of a cold spring river (the Comal) as lightning bugs blinked on and off until dawn.

But during that same time (1985) there was a good ol' boy from Midland who was pissed about all the "God damned Yankees a cuhmin' tuh Texas from the rust belt and a takin' our jobs!" He had money and started a "Build a Wall Around the Lone Star State" movement. The idea being that if enough Texans were equally pissed he could match any donations and build a symbolic brick wall around the borders of the State to keep the Yankees out. Amusingly, he received more donations from people living outside of Texas than those who lived in the State. I believe the ratio was $3 came from Yankees to every $1 he received from his fellow Texans. The implication, obviously, was the rest of the USA preferred to fence Texans "in." National Public Radio had regular updates on his "progress" for about 6 months.

One thing I admire about Texas State Government (and there's not much) is they had the good sense at the time of the first oil boom, beginning with the Santa Rita well, to pour all oil profits generated on State-owned lands directly into public education. This one act of clear thinking is directly responsible for Texas usually surviving economic recessions and be somewhat fiscally responsible. But Texas suffered just as much as the rest of the nation after the Wall Street Crash in 1929 and the following "do nothing" Hoover years. Imagine how California's coffers might be today if they had passed similar State legislation. Just the oil revenue from Beacon Hill that was once unincorporated Long Beach could have paid for the educations of hundreds of thousands of Californians during the 1930's through the 1950's. And that would have included K1 through K12 AND four years of college or university study.

By the way, in 1985 a barrel of crude was worth U$S9.00 for several months, eventually leveling off between $12 and $13 a barrel. The Texas economy was in the middle of its 1980's building boom (suddenly Congress was lined with skyscrapers all the way down to Town Lake), but there was no one around to occupy the new spaces. It took a while for the Texas collective conscience to recover from those years of the mid 1980's.

 

[B_Nick8]

I'm dying to hear what AUS-WA has to say about this. Or did Texas recently invade Greenland?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I'm dying to hear what AUS-WA has to say about this. Or did Texas recently invade Greenland?

Hee hee hee! :rofl:

 

[midlifebear]

Non Correction: For those who thought I meant "collective consciousness" instead of "collective conscience" in that last post -- I didn't. Natives of Austin were chagrined by the sudden growth of their normally green and hilly country side-like Capital City, which included the death of the International Armadillo Center (a cheap dive where one could get drunk and hear all kinds of music, be a wonderful cheap dive) and the disappearance of all the wonderful old stores, restaurants, and "mens" clubs that lined Congress making it uniquely Texas.

Only those natives to Austin had to come to terms and live with what they had permanently lost. That which made them proud to be from Austin. It was as if Bourbon Street had been torn down and replaced with towers filled with attorneys in the middle of a recession.

 

[javyn]

Building a wall around the state is just stupid, as well as in violation of the uniform commercial code. I just want to clarify, my position isn't to keep people out from other states, I just ask that those who come here be respectful and if you don't like it, feel free to leave. Actually, like any other state or economy, we could really use educated, skilled labor.

But as far as Yankees who know how to do nothing other than punch buttons behind the register at a gas station or collect welfare who come here and bitch and complain, fuck you is all I have to say to them.

There's a reason our economy is booming, and that's that we don't listen to the typical union rhetoric that the lazy northerners hold so dear. No, down here, we don't believe standing in line at a factory somehow commends you to be paid 65 dollars an hour with full benefits. People actually work for their money in Texas, and everyone is better off because of it.

I occasionally have fond memories of Texas, especially one evening in New Braunfels, fucking all night long in an open field along the edge of a cold spring river (the Comal) as lightning bugs blinked on and off until dawn.

But during that same time (1985) there was a good ol' boy from Midland who was pissed about all the "God damned Yankees a cuhmin' tuh Texas from the rust belt and a takin' our jobs!" He had money and started a "Build a Wall Around the Lone Star State" movement. The idea being that if enough Texans were equally pissed he could match any donations and build a symbolic brick wall around the borders of the State to keep the Yankees out. Amusingly, he received more donations from people living outside of Texas than those who lived in the State. I believe the ratio was $3 came from Yankees to every $1 he received from his fellow Texans. The implication, obviously, was the rest of the USA preferred to fence Texans "in." National Public Radio had regular updates on his "progress" for about 6 months.

One thing I admire about Texas State Government (and there's not much) is they had the good sense at the time of the first oil boom, beginning with the Santa Rita well, to pour all oil profits generated on State-owned lands directly into public education. This one act of clear thinking is directly responsible for Texas usually surviving economic recessions and be somewhat fiscally responsible. But Texas suffered just as much as the rest of the nation after the Wall Street Crash in 1929 and the following "do nothing" Hoover years. Imagine how California's coffers might be today if they had passed similar State legislation. Just the oil revenue from Beacon Hill that was once unincorporated Long Beach could have paid for the educations of hundreds of thousands of Californians during the 1930's through the 1950's. And that would have included K1 through K12 AND four years of college or university study.

By the way, in 1985 a barrel of crude was worth U$S9.00 for several months, eventually leveling off between $12 and $13 a barrel. The Texas economy was in the middle of its 1980's building boom (suddenly Congress was lined with skyscrapers all the way down to Town Lake), but there was no one around to occupy the new spaces. It took a while for the Texas collective conscience to recover from those years of the mid 1980's.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

There's a reason our economy is booming, and that's that we don't listen to the typical union rhetoric that the lazy northerners hold so dear. No, down here, we don't believe standing in line at a factory somehow commends you to be paid 65 dollars an hour with full benefits. People actually work for their money in Texas, and everyone is better off because of it.

Wait... did you say our economy is "booming"?
Have you not been paying attention to the bailouts lately?
And since when is bad work ethics only applicable to the North? When you're ready to speak with some sense, let us so-called "lazy northerners" know. Just remember not to bring the Confederate Flag with you.

 

[houtx48]

I don't know our economy here in Texas is booming or not but I don't think we have not been hit as hard as the rest of the country, you can probably thank the price of oil for that, now that oil has tanked will we slide into an economic crunch? That remains to be seen.

 

[B_Nick4444]

Wait... did you say our economy is "booming"?

he was referring to the Texas economy

 

[midlifebear]

Building a wall around the state is just stupid, as well as in violation of the uniform commercial code.

You missed the point of your fellow good ol' boy. It had nothing to do with actually breaking any "uniform commercial code." It was grand standing (which Texans, long ago, tuned into a fine art) and he was making a point about Texas being self-sufficient and how everyone (supposedly) was tired of the "symbolic" invasion of Yankees.

I just want to clarify, my position isn't to keep people out from other states, I just ask that those who come here be respectful and if you don't like it, feel free to leave. Actually, like any other state or economy, we could really use educated, skilled labor.

As a successful graduate of "The Harvard of the South" I, and my colleagues who completed graduate school with me, could hardly wait to escape the strangeness or "state of mind" that pervades Texas. But there was plenty of skilled labor making an in migration back in 1985 who sought, found, and suffered through the ups and downs of working for corporations such as Texas Instrument and Intel.

But as far as Yankees who know how to do nothing other than punch buttons behind the register at a gas station or collect welfare who come here and bitch and complain, fuck you is all I have to say to them.

Know a bunch of Yankees who punch buttons at the thousands of Seven/Elevens and/or collect welfare do yah? But it's OK for native Texans to punch buttons behind registers at gas stations and collect welfare, right? LOL! So very typical of A Son or Daughter of the Great Republic.

There's a reason our economy is booming, and that's that we don't listen to the typical union rhetoric that the lazy northerners hold so dear. No, down here, we don't believe standing in line at a factory somehow commends you to be paid 65 dollars an hour with full benefits. People actually work for their money in Texas, and everyone is better off because of it.

Texas has always inspired a sense of paranoia among its citizens who embrace the concept of Texans being different than the rest of the USA ever since the Republic accepted help in defeating México and in exchange became a "State." Of course, the irony is the etemology of the name Texas comes from an indigenous tribe living along the Rio Grande whose word for friendship and/or friend was pronounced "tejas." Obviously, something was permanently lost in the translation and adoption of that word when it became the name for the State. (Joking, just joking . . . most Texans are very friendly and great people to hang out with.)

Although it's a stereotype, it is also very real. But as falls the US government, so falls Texas. I've no idea if the Texas economy is thriving, stable, on hold or beginning to show signs of high unemployment. I wish Texans well, but JAVYN has done a good job of speaking the mind of the average Texan who rarely travels farther than the next largest city for a vacation. Texas also spinned its wierd magic upon me, because I still keep a checking/savings account with the University Federal Credit Union (UFCU) whose online and telephone banking employees are always patient, gracious, and kind. After all, I never know when a British Airways flight I'm on may be redirected to land in San Antonio, Houston International, or the trailer court-like atmosphere of the Dallas/Ft. Worth airport. :biggrin1:

Best of luck to you, JAVYN. Although I'm not a native Texan I'm also not a Yankee. Those of us from the basin and range west of the Great Divide have our own collective opinion about Yankees (and Southerners, too). Ask any waitress slaving at a truck stop on I-80 and they'll tell you the only people who don't know how to tip are long-haul truckers born in "the South" and big mormon families.