Texas governor suggests gay veterans should leave
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I was gone for a week so I missed out on the conversations. The first topic. Civil War.
It was called by the southerners the War of Northern Agressoin
It is called the War Between the States by some and the American Civil War. It is amuzing to me that some get cvaught up in the two terms because a civil war os by nature a war between two factions in a country. Of course there were both confederate amd union governments in several states. There were people loyal to both sides in many states and that includes union states as well.
Jon TX brought up a point that just isn't brought out that much. Economics drives people and quite often wars. Slavery was the specific economic issue that got the msot attention. Truth is, until the Civil War, the United States government was dominated by southerners all closely related or distantly related. True in the military. General Lee's wife was the adopted granddaughter of George Washington. General Lee freed all the slaves that he inherited.
So the main economic issue "behind the scenes" was who was gonig to direct the US future, the old guard, primarily sothern landed gentry or the new businessmen? Lincoln never freed the slaves in Washington D.C. They weren't freed in 1867 two years after the war.
Of course to keep the economic power that the old guard had, they needed....."cheap, cheap labor as in slaves. Slavery wasn't that necessary to keep white farmers in businesss. It was "necessary" to keep the white landed gentry with great power in great power and in control of this country.
When this "white landed gentry" saw that the US was going to grow at such a rate that the "South" would not be able to keep up and lose control anyway. So the South tried to succeed where the landed gentry could at least control part of the country.
Hense the need for a confederation. New England had toyed with it much earlier around 1800 and a little after. Pother groups brought up the concept from time to time. Irt was the South that really brought it up for a real true debate.
The South argued that each state was a sovereign state or nation that had just entered into an agreement. The South argued that the Constitution was just an alliance that used a common currency and had trade laws.
The truth is that our Constitution is a federal congernment and not a confederation. And arguing for slavery is not taking the high moral ground.
The real power and dcecisions to wage war are usually made in the background and the people who live and die because of the war are usually in the dark.
It was called by the southerners the War of Northern Agressoin
It is called the War Between the States by some and the American Civil War. It is amuzing to me that some get cvaught up in the two terms because a civil war os by nature a war between two factions in a country. Of course there were both confederate amd union governments in several states. There were people loyal to both sides in many states and that includes union states as well.
Jon TX brought up a point that just isn't brought out that much. Economics drives people and quite often wars. Slavery was the specific economic issue that got the msot attention. Truth is, until the Civil War, the United States government was dominated by southerners all closely related or distantly related. True in the military. General Lee's wife was the adopted granddaughter of George Washington. General Lee freed all the slaves that he inherited.
So the main economic issue "behind the scenes" was who was gonig to direct the US future, the old guard, primarily sothern landed gentry or the new businessmen? Lincoln never freed the slaves in Washington D.C. They weren't freed in 1867 two years after the war.
Of course to keep the economic power that the old guard had, they needed....."cheap, cheap labor as in slaves. Slavery wasn't that necessary to keep white farmers in businesss. It was "necessary" to keep the white landed gentry with great power in great power and in control of this country.
When this "white landed gentry" saw that the US was going to grow at such a rate that the "South" would not be able to keep up and lose control anyway. So the South tried to succeed where the landed gentry could at least control part of the country.
Hense the need for a confederation. New England had toyed with it much earlier around 1800 and a little after. Pother groups brought up the concept from time to time. Irt was the South that really brought it up for a real true debate.
The South argued that each state was a sovereign state or nation that had just entered into an agreement. The South argued that the Constitution was just an alliance that used a common currency and had trade laws.
The truth is that our Constitution is a federal congernment and not a confederation. And arguing for slavery is not taking the high moral ground.
The real power and dcecisions to wage war are usually made in the background and the people who live and die because of the war are usually in the dark.
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There are no more Armenians under the bridge: the trolls ate them when billy goats became scarce. You might find Snackdud, though.
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There are no more Armenians under the bridge: the trolls ate them when billy goats became scarce. You might find Snackdud, though.
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[/b][/quote]Not if Snackdud founds out that Dr. Rock is coming to visit under the bridge. Dr. Rock will scare the shit out of Snackdud I am sure, not that Jana cares what Dr. Rock does to Snackdud.
But then Jana may be very pleased what Dr. Rock does to Snackdud.*
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What is it with YOU PEOPLE and violins?
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[/b][/quote]don't tell anyone, but Ashlar and I are building sonic weapons capable of making thousands of people spontaneously shit themselves at once (weapons of mass defecation, if you will). when they're completed we'll be able to hold the world to ransom.
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don't tell anyone, but Ashlar and I are building sonic weapons capable of making thousands of people spontaneously shit themselves at once (weapons of mass defecation, if you will). when they're completed we'll be able to hold the world to ransom.
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[/b][/quote]Dr. Rock that is the most hilarious post you have made ever. Weapons of mass defecation :evilgrin: I don't think you will need those sonic weapons for some of those in power. I think that spontaneously shit themselves everytime they get on national TV.
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That's completely ridiculous. I refuse to hear any more of this, and furthermo-
*spastic colon*
(...And I don't mean ":".)
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I'm not doing anything at all
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*passes toilet paper to the wankers and giggles at their fear of Dr. Rock's ferociousness*
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[/b][/quote]Major.
I am afraid that it is TOO LATE to pass out the toilet paper. Perhaps a wash cloth and a shower would be more in order.
*Freddie, dreams wishing Dr. Rock did have that kind of power over certain people. Makes lists:
George Bush
Dick Chenny
The Supreme Court
Jeb Bush
I'm sure others could add to the list.
