The 2016 dnc

[Crimsonlurker]

I wouldn't label those who support Trump as conservative. He is merely the "outsider" candidate... the WWE Smackdown candidate... the darkhorse-who-promises-to-fix-the-system-because-it-is-broken-candidate... the candidate that "knows business"... the candidate for "gun rights"... he is a LOT of things that don't have anything to do with being a conservative... in truth he's actually a RENEGADE & A RADICAL... Americans LOVE renegades and radicals... he's the candidate of change and candidates of change ALWAYS win.

THAT'S why he's up in the polls and THAT'S why Bernie beats him in every match up because Bernie is the bigger outsider



How much did you bet? Did I make some dough? I WATCHED the convention on PBS you miscreant.



It's actually called typing or keyboarding if you want to be technically accurate.



Wonderful and you keep: forming incoherent arguments, misunderstanding others/going off half cocked, flouting your incomprehension and digging deeper intellectual holes...

and "I don't know man you specifically i find hilarious" is truly a marvel of garbled incoherence... surely you have more of these?

Dude you are the most entertaining poster on this site. Trump doesn't even come close to everything you mentioned. He's just yet about guy with a little power trying to gain more. He isn't a renegade or a radical and he doesn't always win but thanks for showing everyone which direction you sway. You speak so highly of the guy that i forgot you were a bernie sanders supporter for a second. I mean you are still in support of bernie sanders right? You didn't magically jump ship half way through have you?

Seems to me you rather enjoy propping up trump. Even when it doesn't fit. Is he a conservative? No. Does that matter? No. He's the republican nominee. Meaning he is THE conservative for the moment. He is THE republican for the moment. So wrong again. How you are so consistently wrong on these things is beyond me. Hell had you watched the damned thing you would know how much of a businessman he is not. Or at least not a good one. And yes WWE is the right word for it. Also, the right word to describe you. It's funny i couldn't put my finger on your posting "style" until now. Triple fucking H man. You are triple fucking H. All you have are insults with absolutely no substance. Same as trump.

Guess thats why even as a bernie sanders supporter even you won't listen to him. Anyway, have fun rooting for trump.

Those who are anti Trump and Pro Hillary, this should scare the hell out of you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/u...-map-should-democrats-fear-the-most.html?_r=0

Shouldn't you also have something to fear? As in aren't you also an anti-trump person?

 

[Bardox]

Shouldn't you also have something to fear? As in aren't you also an anti-trump person?

I don't support either of them. I'm as much anti Trump as I am anti Clinton. They are both horrid candidates for various reasons.

 

[Boobalaa]

 

[Crimsonlurker]

I don't support either of them. I'm as much anti Trump as I am anti Clinton. They are both horrid candidates for various reasons.

I'm curious though, do you think they are equally as bad? So much so that you feel supporting one is like supporting the other? The reason i'm asking is because there doesn't seem to be any real criticism here in the way of which is worse, why and how that would ultimately effect the future of the country.

I'm asking largely because the american public doesn't have much in the way of choice here. Yes, our political system blows. Yes. All politicians lie. If not at one point then another. ALL. Yet when it comes down to it, once again the american public just doesn't have much of a choice. It's either clinton or trump.

On that note i can understand not wanting to vote at all or voting third party strictly on symbolism, strictly on making a point. At what point though do we start to talk practical application here? When it comes down to the nitty gritty undesired approach of asking who would be worse for the country as is without any wishful thinking or high mindedness. Who is worse? Are they really on equal footing?

We're similar in that we don't like the candidates but disliking isn't the same as deciding who is worse or who would be worse for the country. Personally, given the circumstances there is no choice. Clinton in a heartbeat. Without any hesitation what so ever. And thats because no matter how much money she "steals" or how many companies she's in bed with it will never be as bad as someone who uses the tactics trump has.

Actually, it isn't in her best interest to let up on anything or make a deal with anyone. Just on strategy and the game of politics she holds all the cards right now. I mean bernie sander's supporters have gone balls to the wall against her. Almost like republicans have and she still made it this far. So not only is it in her best interest to give bernie sander's supporters the finger but it might be in her best interests to do so. Seeing as how the bernie or bust camp won't even listen to the guy they say they support.

Now this is just based on game theory and on the behavior of the bernie or bust camp in general. She has way more numbers in every other category so she could very well give her ass to kiss and be in the exact same spot she was in before. Bernie sanders supporters don't have any cards in the game anymore. And if she somehow does lose, the bernie or bust people will be at fault for it. Not because others are making anything up but because they've been the loudest voices equating clinton with trump. Logically speaking the bernie or bust people are and will stay (as long as they keep acting the way they do) on the outs.

 

[Boobalaa]

Game Theory? She's fuckin losin! TRumpitus is doing his best to fuck up and she's still losin!!!
Bernie or Bust?
What the fuck is Blaming and Shaming got to do with it..

You're a very remarkable thinker..

..and the latest poll #'s..lmao..UNFUCKINBELIEVABLE

Trustworthiness
TRumpitus = 43%
Hillary = 37%

Favorability (both candidates)
37%
Unfavorably
58%

Ponder on this, won't you please enlighten us with your wisdom..I can't wait..pssh..

 

[Crimsonlurker]

Game Theory? She's fuckin losin! TRumpitus is doing his best to fuck up and she's still losin!!!
Bernie or Bust?
What the fuck is Blaming and Shaming got to do with it..

You're a very remarkable thinker..

..and the latest poll #'s..lmao..UNFUCKINBELIEVABLE

Trustworthiness
TRumpitus = 43%
Hillary = 37%

Favorability (both candidates)
37%
Unfavorably
58%

Ponder on this, won't you please enlighten us with your wisdom..I can't wait..pssh..

Wisdom? I don't know about that much. I will say this though. Or rather ask. How many times have polls been insanely inaccurate? Further mo, why is america's political system set up this way to begin with? How long has our political system been the way it is? Seriously, why doesn't it rely only on the popular vote?

Also, how can bernie sanders supporters have anything to bargain with if they can't also be blamed for anything? If you have something to give then doesn't that mean you have something to take? If you pull a rug out from under someone then doesn't that mean you are at fault for that person falling? Sure, this situation is much more complicated then that but if clinton loses because she doesn't have the support of bernie sander's supporters or the bernie or bust group then doesn't that logically mean that same group helped trump win? I mean there is only two people running for the top spot right now. And all others can't possibly make it. So how wrong am i here?

 

[keenobserver]

The Bernie or Bust Crowd -

 

[tripod]

The Bernie or Bust Crowd -

I dont take political advice from clowns but thanks for another uninformed-idiot bullying voters through shaming and general asshole rhetoric.

Seth Meyers has the political mind equal to maybe a Geraldo Rivera type.

Like Samantha Bee who has the political smarts of a Sean Hannity level of understanding... it's based on partisan rhetoric and the memorization of party-line talking points. I get I get it... those people can memorize things... that's cool.

But they have no ANALYTICAL ability... they are just trained monkeys like most of the human population.

 

[Boobalaa]

Protestors disrupt Leon's speech
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/...il&utm_term=0_fa2346a853-0a6ed7e100-191293569

 

[Bardox]

@Crimsonlurker
Both candidates are equally bad in my view. The presidency doesn't have as much effect on the domestic side of politics as some would have you believe. The true power of the oval office is in international affairs. Trade deals, wars, economic sanctions on "bad actors", etc... POTUS can set the tone for the party, but the agenda is, was, and shall continue to be directed and carried out by the US congressional leadership. All the president does is sign or veto what the congress gives him/her. The President can lobby the congress, but it's up to the House and Senate to decided what actually gets voted on and when and in what form.

Since Trump doesn't have a record to look at, you can only take him at his word about what he will try to do in regards to foreign affairs. Simply put, the man doesn't know a damn thing about foreign policy or the players involved. He just says "America First" and then clapping starts. Not a whole lot of confidence there.

Hillary has a record going back nearly 40 years to pick through. She's never met a war she didn't like, a trade deal she didn't champion, or heard of a political donor who she wouldn't take money from directly or via the Clinton Foundation. She said she learned a lesson from Iraq. I don't know what lesson she learned, because she pushed to do the exact same damn thing in Libya. Support the rebels, get rid of the countries leadership, and hope for the best. That resulted in a mob of rebels, aka the "good" people, beating Muammar Gaddafi to death on world wide television.

Neither of these candidates are particularly "inspiring" as leaders. Hillary Clinton can't say one sentence without telling three lies. Her campaign is nothing but things she ripped off from Bernie's Campaign. She dumped hers after New Hampshire. Donald Trump doesn't know enough about government policy to know if he's lying. He just says things until some reporter's eyes light up with the thought of "I just got my head line". The people on the left and the right desperately twisting themselves into knots to make these two boobs look appealing is incredibly depressing.

When it comes to who will be the better president, they will both be equally shitty.

 

[Boobalaa]

How many times have polls been insanely inaccurate?

If you're talking about the voting polls , very inaccurate by design and purpose. Media polls, Research polls, etc..yes,..inaccurate..
So all the news about likability and trustworthiness is a sham then?
What really matters is winning..who gives a fuck about how you do it?

You are not wrong in your reasoning as much as how much you accept and promote and defend and enable the current situation..Status Quo = Status Quo..Go Along to Get Alone..Don't rock the boat

You seem to want to believe those hundreds protesting are all Bernie or Busters..
I know a few elderly folks, dem & rep. who are not voting for the first time in their lives..How's that for your Perferred system? They made a choice, none of the above. These old people are not Bernie or Busters.

My niece is a first time voter..She didn't even want to register because of all the bullshittin..I convinced her to register so she can vote for local and state issues..She is not a Bernie or Buster

Face it Mr. Status Quo monger..what you are really saying is You are against Progressive Ideas!
You are afraid
Hillary represents Comfort and Familarity

 

[Crimsonlurker]

@Crimsonlurker
Both candidates are equally bad in my view. The presidency doesn't have as much effect on the domestic side of politics as some would have you believe. The true power of the oval office is in international affairs. Trade deals, wars, economic sanctions on "bad actors", etc... POTUS can set the tone for the party, but the agenda is, was, and shall continue to be directed and carried out by the US congressional leadership. All the president does is sign or veto what the congress gives him/her. The President can lobby the congress, but it's up to the House and Senate to decided what actually gets voted on and when and in what form.

Since Trump doesn't have a record to look at, you can only take him at his word about what he will try to do in regards to foreign affairs. Simply put, the man doesn't know a damn thing about foreign policy or the players involved. He just says "America First" and then clapping starts. Not a whole lot of confidence there.

Hillary has a record going back nearly 40 years to pick through. She's never met a war she didn't like, a trade deal she didn't champion, or heard of a political donor who she wouldn't take money from directly or via the Clinton Foundation. She said she learned a lesson from Iraq. I don't know what lesson she learned, because she pushed to do the exact same damn thing in Libya. Support the rebels, get rid of the countries leadership, and hope for the best. That resulted in a mob of rebels, aka the "good" people, beating Muammar Gaddafi to death on world wide television.

Neither of these candidates are particularly "inspiring" as leaders. Hillary Clinton can't say one sentence without telling three lies. Her campaign is nothing but things she ripped off from Bernie's Campaign. She dumped hers after New Hampshire. Donald Trump doesn't know enough about government policy to know if he's lying. He just says things until some reporter's eyes light up with the thought of "I just got my head line". The people on the left and the right desperately twisting themselves into knots to make these two boobs look appealing is incredibly depressing.

When it comes to who will be the better president, they will both be equally shitty.

The presidency doesn't have as much effect on the domestic side of politics as some would have you believe.- Umm what? Are you serious? Ok i take it you aren't a muslim.

Since Trump doesn't have a record to look at-

That's mighty convenient. So nothing trump has said or done matters towards the highest political seat in america? Once again...umm what?

When it comes to who will be the better president, they will both be equally shitty.- Bardox

I just wanted you to be on record saying as much. Free speech and all that. Good luck with your future comparisons.

If you're talking about the voting polls , very inaccurate by design and purpose. Media polls, Research polls, etc..yes,..inaccurate..
So all the news about likability and trustworthiness is a sham then?
What really matters is winning..who gives a fuck about how you do it?

You are not wrong in your reasoning as much as how much you accept and promote and defend and enable the current situation..Status Quo = Status Quo..Go Along to Get Alone..Don't rock the boat

You seem to want to believe those hundreds protesting are all Bernie or Busters..
I know a few elderly folks, dem & rep. who are not voting for the first time in their lives..How's that for your Perferred system? They made a choice, none of the above. These old people are not Bernie or Busters.

My niece is a first time voter..She didn't even want to register because of all the bullshittin..I convinced her to register so she can vote for local and state issues..She is not a Bernie or Buster

Face it Mr. Status Quo monger..what you are really saying is You are against Progressive Ideas!
You are afraid
Hillary represents Comfort and Familarity

Glad we can at least agree on something with regard to this but i might add...i never said don't rock the boat. What i'm saying is people don't have the backing too. Whether it's bernie or bust or someone who knows someone who knows someone. It doesn't matter. There are no bargaining chips here. Clinton doesn't have to do anything. Bernie lost mostly because of his own actions. Bernie then saw he had no more choices left. Bernie then backed clinton. What i'm saying is, people are acting as if this is just another election. That it is not. Republicans don't even like they're own nominee. Sure, you can say the same about democrats but republicans traditionally back each other no matter how fucked up things are. This time people are speaking out against the guy from all directions. Which should clue people in on whats happening.

See you want me to be for the status quo because it makes me simple and easy to deal with. It makes this whole election simple and easy to deal with. If it were true there would be clear cut lines on who is bad and who is not. Who is evil and who is saintly. Not only was that never the case. It never will be. Ever.

No matter how many times i say i don't actually like clinton it will never get through. Why? Because you need a clear cut bad guy. You need someone to focus your anger on for not getting what you want. I get it. I know it. I've felt the same way in the past. It isn't true though. ALL POLITICIANS LIE. Period. Even bernie sanders.

I'm not afraid to say that winning is what matters most now. And that's because of who democrats are up against. If this were like any other election i might be on the same moral horse you're on. It isn't though. This election will go down in history as the election. The one that either started it all or started to quash it. I'm 100% for criticism in any and all directions, regardless of anything. The difference now is...i can't afford to. The stakes are just too damn high.

I've said this more times then i can count but when you have a politician who openly talks about killing innocent people and they're getting support from a certain portion of americans my want and need to be insanely critical stops in favor of making sure the guy who does has no chance of getting to.

You want to talk about campaign money. Well how about this. How about a politician who is already extreme having to face down the promises he's already made. Having to then do even worse then what he said because the people backing him are so hell bent on murder that if he didn't go even more extreme he would find that his own life is in danger along with his career.

So it's on you dude. I know exactly where my priorities lie. I know exactly why i'm doing what i'm doing. And most of all i know exactly what i'm doing. Can you say the same?

 

[ConanTheBarber]

The presidency doesn't have as much effect on the domestic side of politics as some would have you believe.- Umm what? Are you serious?

It's widely known that the president's domestic powers are limited. Do you not know this? Bardox's summary of what the president can do is not bad at all:

POTUS can set the tone for the party, but the agenda is, was, and shall continue to be directed and carried out by the US congressional leadership. All the president does is sign or veto what the congress gives him/her. The President can lobby the congress, but it's up to the House and Senate to decided what actually gets voted on and when and in what form.​

Ok i take it you aren't a muslim.

What does being, or not being, a Muslim have to do with it?

You are full of knowingness. Is that the same as knowing?

 

[Crimsonlurker]

It's widely known that the president's domestic powers are limited. Do you not know this? Bardox's summary of what the president can do is not bad at all:

POTUS can set the tone for the party, but the agenda is, was, and shall continue to be directed and carried out by the US congressional leadership. All the president does is sign or veto what the congress gives him/her. The President can lobby the congress, but it's up to the House and Senate to decided what actually gets voted on and when and in what form.​

What does being, or not being, a Muslim have to do with it?

You are full of knowingness. Is that the same as knowing?

I asked because crimes against muslims pretty much skyrocketed once trump started with his anti-muslim bs. Hell theres even....
Stephanie Grace: David Duke's Senate candidacy already done damage; you can thank Trump

And trump isn't even president yet. I can't even imagine what it would be like. Then again, it's pretty clear i'm not convincing anyone of anything. Which is pretty funny considering just how clear all of this is. So it is what it is.

 

[ConanTheBarber]

I asked because crimes against muslims pretty much skyrocketed once trump started with his anti-muslim bs. Hell theres even....
Stephanie Grace: David Duke's Senate candidacy already done damage; you can thank Trump

This proves that prominent people, which would include the president, can have an effect on behavior in society — an obvious and quite different point from Bardox's, who was speaking of legislative competence.
Separate categories should be kept separate if you hope to be cogent.

And trump isn't even president yet.

An additional reason why your comment about the powers of the presidency was simply baffling.

 

[Boobalaa]

So far tonight the DMC chanting USA sounds Americanized ,pre-fascistic , exceptionism..
There have been 4 vets on in a row..and the parents of a dead guy,..Who says Hillary never saw a war she's didn't like?

 

[Crimsonlurker]

This proves that prominent people, which would include the president, can have an effect on behavior in society — an obvious and quite different point from Bardox's, who was speaking of legislative competence.
Separate categories should be kept separate if you hope to be cogent.


An additional reason why your comment about the powers of the presidency was simply baffling.

Legislative? So none of trump's plans would negatively effect americans at all? Not even muslim americans? What about mexican americans?

The Evolution of Donald Trump's Muslim Immigration Ban

How Trump plans to build, and pay for, a wall along U.S.-Mexico border

Trump Says Judge’s Mexican Heritage Presents ‘Absolute Conflict’

Trump Claims He’s Never Spoken to Putin. In This 2014 Video, Trump Says He Did.


I'm sorry but i must have missed the many articles detailing how clinton has done and/or said exactly the same things. Or ya know...planned on....legislatively...doing the same things. Guess the news media hasn't gotten around to it yet. That or i'm bafflingly off somehow on the many many things that have been said over the last year or more. I get a little loopy sometimes so from time to time i forget that when things happen people report on it. So much so that it all becomes facts. Facts that are widely understood and have yet to be denounced by the people who said it or...you know....planned on doing it...legislatively.

Oh and bardox's comment on completely ignoring trump's history really was mighty convenient. Considering...

Funny how that works isn't it. What goes for one politician...not going for another. Seems mighty familiar. And like i said, very convenient.

 

[Boobalaa]

The presidency doesn't have as much effect on the domestic side of politics as some would have you believe.- Umm what? Are you serious? Ok i take it you aren't a muslim.

Since Trump doesn't have a record to look at-

That's mighty convenient. So nothing trump has said or done matters towards the highest political seat in america? Once again...umm what?

When it comes to who will be the better president, they will both be equally shitty.- Bardox

I just wanted you to be on record saying as much. Free speech and all that. Good luck with your future comparisons.



Glad we can at least agree on something with regard to this but i might add...i never said don't rock the boat. What i'm saying is people don't have the backing too. Whether it's bernie or bust or someone who knows someone who knows someone. It doesn't matter. There are no bargaining chips here. Clinton doesn't have to do anything. Bernie lost mostly because of his own actions. Bernie then saw he had no more choices left. Bernie then backed clinton. What i'm saying is, people are acting as if this is just another election. That it is not. Republicans don't even like they're own nominee. Sure, you can say the same about democrats but republicans traditionally back each other no matter how fucked up things are. This time people are speaking out against the guy from all directions. Which should clue people in on whats happening.

See you want me to be for the status quo because it makes me simple and easy to deal with. It makes this whole election simple and easy to deal with. If it were true there would be clear cut lines on who is bad and who is not. Who is evil and who is saintly. Not only was that never the case. It never will be. Ever.

No matter how many times i say i don't actually like clinton it will never get through. Why? Because you need a clear cut bad guy. You need someone to focus your anger on for not getting what you want. I get it. I know it. I've felt the same way in the past. It isn't true though. ALL POLITICIANS LIE. Period. Even bernie sanders.

I'm not afraid to say that winning is what matters most now. And that's because of who democrats are up against. If this were like any other election i might be on the same moral horse you're on. It isn't though. This election will go down in history as the election. The one that either started it all or started to quash it. I'm 100% for criticism in any and all directions, regardless of anything. The difference now is...i can't afford to. The stakes are just too damn high.

I've said this more times then i can count but when you have a politician who openly talks about killing innocent people and they're getting support from a certain portion of americans my want and need to be insanely critical stops in favor of making sure the guy who does has no chance of getting to.

You want to talk about campaign money. Well how about this. How about a politician who is already extreme having to face down the promises he's already made. Having to then do even worse then what he said because the people backing him are so hell bent on murder that if he didn't go even more extreme he would find that his own life is in danger along with his career.

So it's on you dude. I know exactly where my priorities lie. I know exactly why i'm doing what i'm doing. And most of all i know exactly what i'm doing. Can you say the same?

Yup..Thank you for sharing your absolute, exactness..about your priorities..ME FIRST!

Csnt you smell that stench in the room??

 

[Boobalaa]

Legislative? So none of trump's plans would negatively effect americans at all? Not even muslim americans? What about mexican americans?

The Evolution of Donald Trump's Muslim Immigration Ban

How Trump plans to build, and pay for, a wall along U.S.-Mexico border

Trump Says Judge’s Mexican Heritage Presents ‘Absolute Conflict’

Trump Claims He’s Never Spoken to Putin. In This 2014 Video, Trump Says He Did.


I'm sorry but i must have missed the many articles detailing how clinton has done and/or said exactly the same things. Or ya know...planned on....legislatively...doing the same things. Guess the news media hasn't gotten around to it yet. That or i'm bafflingly off somehow on the many many things that have been said over the last year or more. I get a little loopy sometimes so from time to time i forget that when things happen people report on it. So much so that it all becomes facts. Facts that are widely understood and have yet to be denounced by the people who said it or...you know....planned on doing it...legislatively.

Oh and bardox's comment on completely ignoring trump's history really was mighty convenient. Considering...

Funny how that works isn't it. What goes for one politician...not going for another. Seems mighty familiar. And like i said, very convenient.

You're hurtin dude..

 

[Crimsonlurker]

Yup..Thank you for sharing your absolute, exactness..about your priorities..ME FIRST!

Csnt you smell that stench in the room??

You mean me farting? Cause if so...yup. If you are referring to you inability to be wrong or criticized on a subject then yes i smell that too. Which sucks because we agree on other issues. Not to mention the fact (because facts do matter) i haven't openly insulted you yet. Meanwhile you've run the gamut. But it is what it is isn't. Anything to win right.

You're hurtin dude..

How exactly am i hurting? By pointing out just how much of a piece of shit trump is? It's amazing. I thought we were on the same page there. Guess all it takes is for someone not to like bernie sanders before your ready to rip down someone who also has someone you hate. Great isn't it. And you wonder why the republican party is so hard to beat.