I think you need to honest with yourself. Is this real outrage or is it fake . If it was Trump, would you feel the same way or as usual find a way to make excuses for his fuck ups…
I think you need to honest with yourself. Is this real outrage or is it fake . If it was Trump, would you feel the same way or as usual find a way to make excuses for his fuck ups…
I wonder was your outrage was the same when over 3000 Puerto Ricans died because of the lack of support from the Trump administration.. Then again you probably didn’t know that Puerto Rico was a part of the U,S or you just didn’t give a fuck, just like Trump… Make sure your outrage is sincere instead of finding a way to bitch because your candidate lost…
Drifterwood
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No one is laughing.
We passed the ball to him and he dropped it. The consequences are wide ranging and deeply concerning.
ConanTheBarber
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He is the object of ridicule.
But no, there's no true laughter.
Drifterwood
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I think that ridicule is the wrong angle. It makes us look weak and we are not.
The Taliban are a hardened guerrilla force on home soil. Admittedly in hindsight, a political western style government is not the one to deal with them.
ConanTheBarber
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If there's a leadership void, to some degree we are weak.
The whole enterprise of changing the social and political landscape of the country was fraught.
But in some ways, it was well intended. I truly believe that.
Drifterwood
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That's the problem with monarchy, or presidency if you don't like the word. You need a united executive team of steel, not yes men careerist politicians.
I am not a military person, but I believe that one of the lessons of Vietnam was that you needed to be as atrocious as the enemy when required. Essentially, you need your opponent to realise that the goal of victory is futile and the cost of trying too high even if you are going to paradise with a ruck of virgins.
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ConanTheBarber
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I have an uneasy feeling you may be right. (But American forces were in many ways atrocious.)
I can't post again today. Too much work on my desk.
Drifterwood
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Enjoy.
I am not debating the rights and wrongs of going to Afghanistan in the first place, but if your (our) aim was to neutralise the threat of the Taliban, then this objective has clearly now failed even with twenty years (a generation) to achieve it.
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I'm trying to take the long view. I don't care so much about attacking or defending Biden, since he wasn't my choice for president in the first place. Whatever people want to say about his decisions, and his strengths or weaknesses as a leader, my real concern is who comes after him. If he ends up being perceived, justly or unjustly, as a failure, it could mean a Republican demagogue, perhaps someone even more dangerous than Trump because more committed to an insane, toxic ideology, sweeping into office.
So for the country's sake, not Biden's, I want him to be viewed as an at least reasonably capable president. Even if only to hand over the reigns to another Democrat after a single term.
So for the country's sake, not Biden's, I want him to be viewed as an at least reasonably capable president. Even if only to hand over the reigns to another Democrat after a single term.
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Disagree with President Biden on his policies.
His mind is intact.
Someone in cognitive decline could not take questions from the press for and hour and 15 minutes while giving fulsome cogent answers that demonstrate a detailed understanding of policy.
ROTFL its real and now-nothing to do with Trump and the crooked Democrat politicians in PR
As usual a blanket statement with no facts to back up your claim.. if you don’t give a shot about Puerto Rico then own it ..
Sure
Just as soon as those "thousands of US Citizens" explain why the fuck they are/were STILL THERE 3 weeks ago when the "handwriting" was most definetly "on the wall" and scheduled commercial flights were still flying out
When they had had every opportunity to leave for months and months prior to that
AFTER the State Department said that ALL US citizens in Afghanistan should leave MONTHS AGO .
They were staying for WHAT ??
Maybe they were doing their jobs as part of the transition and listening to our commander-in-chief who said Afghan wouldn’t be another Vietnam, wouldn’t fall so fast. Maybe they thought they’d be safe? They’d be protected by our government? Lol. Shame on them, eh?
Love the blame on someone else. Seems to be a theme.
Worthy of response. Democrats do large bureaucratic programs like we witnessed today in the pork laden budget. Republicans tend to do my foreign policy nation building ideology and use the military also bureaucratic. Your statement of fake outrage is without merit because its republicans in the military who are the boots on the ground ones doing the work. Democrats just hire more IRS agents to make sure others can pay for failed social programs. Not alot of Sanders supporters working at the Kabul Airport today.
My son is in the military are he says there are plenty of liberals in there with him. Also, if this were a Republican administration in the exact same situation the Fox News crowd would be calling this a glorious win and the MAGA folks would say fuck the Afghan people. It is absolutely phony outrage on the right.
Well from the Fox News crowd to the MSNBC crowd- you are covering you behind. The world has criticized the lack of exucaution with good reason. If you are so certain of how everyone feels about the Afghans why don't you sell your place here in lily white Naples and head up to Hoboken or Dearborn. Make sure you study up on your Sharia Law before you arrive.
This is on the Democratic leadership- own it