the big 3 bailout

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eh a little socialism didn't hurt nobody, except for those damn taxes.

just trying to lighten the mood,

scares me a little though when they wanna take over all the coparations
 

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eh a little socialism didn't hurt nobody, except for those damn taxes.

just trying to lighten the mood,

scares me a little though when they wanna take over all the coparations


we already live in a partially socialist society. i don't understand how peoples don't realize it when they start for argue how "evil" socialism is. social security, which has "social" as its first word, is a socialist idea. so is medicare and medicaid. so is welfare and unemployment benefits. but i don't hear peoples complaining about them, yah?
 

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evil, eh maybee not

but look hw the gov't manages the post office and amtrack.

being a pervious USPS employee, i personaly say it suxs hard!
 
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The Not-So-Big 3 richly deserved most of their pain (management and labor alike), but this crisis should be their only chance to re-invent themselves and re-emerge as a leaner, nimbler creature, through bankruptcy.

Detroit's argument in opposition to bankruptcy (consumers will no longer trust the brands) is at best unfounded: consumers already don't trust most of their brands, and it is 100.00% their doing.





 

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i heard one company sold two of their jets. or was it two companies sold one of their jets? either way, two jets have been sold. and they did it because they were gettin shit because they took the company jets to D.C. while asking for a hand-out....err....bail-out
 

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The Not-So-Big 3 richly deserved most of their pain (management and labor alike), but this crisis should be their only chance to re-invent themselves and re-emerge as a leaner, nimbler creature, through bankruptcy.

Detroit's argument in opposition to bankruptcy (consumers will no longer trust the brands) is at best unfounded: consumers already don't trust most of their brands, and it is 100.00% their doing.


Well put. Capitalism simply needs to run its course. Toodledoo, UAW.
 

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Unfortunately, we need the big 3, who do you think makes the vehicles we ride to war in ? I for the "plan", there should be no more compensation to CEO level and board of directors in the $ 25 billion bailout.

Back in 2001, the airlines lined up for virtually the same number in a bailout for 9/11/2001 attacks. They laid workers off and gave themselves bonuses. No repeat of that should happen in the auto industry. Governement should monitor and shadow the overpaid auto industry execs to ensure it doesn't happen and if it does, those guilty of it should spend time in prison for it. These economic bailouts are for the working class and to ensure that these businesses set themselves up to advance technology to be viable in the future.

Trouble with the bailout philosophy, tax payers for the most part get dinged twice. The actual bailout and the fact we'll have to buy the items they produce. Chrysler 1980's loan/bailout ? I guess it was a good thing looking at what Chrysler has produced recently, but let's face it, in the 80's K-cars were forced on Government agencies as fleet purchases. That money would've been better spent on Honda Civics that were more fuel efficient and mechanically more reliable.

Funny, local news is trying to tell the community I live in that the demand for gasoline has fallen and that is the reason why the price per gallon is dropping. Hah, what a laugh that is. they gouged us until their precious economy has turned to shit and now they have to sell it for whatever the market will buy it for on the low end for a change. Stop buying goods and services is the best way to shut down inflation. Price of gasloine should've never gotten to $ 2/gallon in the first place under Bush. Wonderful that Bush is done, his last 2-3 months of being President, the rest of the world treats him like he's not even attending international events. 2 term limits is the greatest thing this nation has when it comes to a President like Bush !
 

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Unfortunately, we need the big 3, who do you think makes the vehicles we ride to war in ?

not true.

The big 3 make none of the american tanks or armored fighting vehicles we ride to war in.

The M1 Tanks (which are now out of production for the US Armed Forces) are made by General Dynamics- Land Systems Division. the engine was made by Lycoming and Now Honeywell.

The M2 Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle was built by United Defense, which is now part of BAE Land Systems

The Stryker Infantry Fighting Vehicle is made by General Dynamics Land Systems Division

General Dynamics Land Division bought out the GM defense division in 2003, which produces the Light Armored Vehicles and Strykers

Hummers are made by AM, which was bought by LTV (now Vought, then bought by NOrthrop and now the Carlyle Group)

MLRS launch systems are made by Lockheed MArtin

M109 Paladin Gun Systems are made by United technologies (now BAE Land Systems)

and the new MRAP's (armored trucks and transport vehicles to replace Humvees, of which 13,000 are on order) are made by a partnership between General Dynamics and another company.


The big 3 are not relevant for Military vehicle construction anymore.
 

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I would also bear (ho ho) in mind that the incorrectly strong $ means that they have no export market and imports will be even better value, as well as being better vehicles. Generally speaking.
 
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Unfortunately now is not the time to let The Big Three go down the chute. If so many other sectors and companies weren't already in trouble. Sure let them go. But once the dominoes start falling now one knows what will fall next. Like everything we are all interconnected in ways no one knows until the next domino falls. A year ago a small blip on the radar were subprime lending losses. Now look were we are.
The financial crisis has morphed into several simultaneous crises that feed upon each other. The real estate bust crippled the banks. Crippled banks starved companies of credit. Starved companies laid workers off. Laid-off workers defaulted on mortgages, deepening the bust in real estate. By a similar process, crippled financial institutions stopped making auto loans, which caused people to stop buying cars, which pushed the carmakers to the brink. If the carmakers go down, a whole new round of job losses and mortgage defaults will slam into the financial system.