The billionaires who hate Obama and fund the Tea Party

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I don't know but I really hope he has given up the fools errand of bipartisanship. These are not rational people.
These are the sort of people who see any attempt at rational discussion and compromise as a sign of weakness to be exploited. These are liars and cheaters who make up their own rules of the game, determined to win at any cost and by whatever sleazy means necessary. They are completely unprincipled, and they are dangerous.

You called it right. Obama's "post-partisanship" is foolish, and I would add naive and irresponsible. This vain attempt at reasoned debate and compromise above all and his wonkish approach to issues are my major criticisms of him. Most dramatic case in point - allowing the healthcare debate to spin into insanity without a strong response, and letting his Democratic representatives be pilloried and shouted down by their Faux "constituents" in town hall meetings one year ago. To a similar if somewhat lesser degree, he abdicated the bully pulpit on financial reform legislation. He had huge momentum of public support on both those issues, and I'll probably be taken to task for this, he squandered it.

He impressed and inspired me with his State of the Union address in January, and his follow-up act taking the Republican caucus to the woodshed over the healthcare debate (finally . . . if too little and way too late). As I noted then, it was the first time I saw candidate Obama merged with President Obama, and I was mightily impressed. I was hopeful his newfound approach to confronting the opposition would carry forward on other issues. I saw the same spine, cool and firm if to a lesser degree, in his response to BP. Frustratingly, I have not otherwise seen this character much in evidence

What he (and his advisors?) don't seem to be getting is that in practical reality the president's role in American politics is less about the nuts and bolts of policy and more about communicating the need for those policies to the American people - in simple terms they can understand. It also requires that he stand up strongly to the opposition and poke holes in their arguments. What is so frustrating is that I know he is fully capable of this; he proved it on the campaign trail and in the instances mentioned. These are critical times in the country, dangerous times, not time to pussyfoot. It's all enough to make me wonder exactly whose side he's on.

Part of the problem, imo, is a weak Senate majority leader. If that is the case, Harry Reid needs to be replaced with someone who projects strength to the public, who will kick ass and take names on both sides of the aisle and not cave to the threat of a filibuster. I've been seeing glimmers of hope as Obama hits the campaign trail for candidates in the mid terms, noting his administration's accomplishments and pushing for small business support in particular, but again, it may be too little too late. He really needs to get it together in no uncertain terms, and fast. Otherwise, short of a miracle, the new Congress will be held in stalemate like nothing we've seen in the first two years, and we'll all be speeding for catastrophe with no brakes.

Mr. Obama, stand up and show us your balls!

The ushers will now pass the collection plate.
 
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I must have been channeling bygone days.
I'll take it a face value. We all deserve second chances. :wink:

I pop up unannounced at open mikes on university campuses throughout the Western Hemisphere. The Mysterious Paddle Boy.
That's hot, to quote a Hilton. I applaud your efforts to improve the state of American education.


p.s. Why are you shouting? Most uncharacteristic. :eek222:
 

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Much as I understand your beefs with Obama, and parts me of agree with you, other parts understand that he sees himself as President of the entire US, not just the blue parts. His pragmatism and even approach mock and belie any assertion that he's "cramming" anything anywhere. We may be a nation of idiots, but even we aren't that stupid*.

*There's a hardcore opposition of anything from 20-35% who really are either insane or stupid, but they're as American as Mom and Apple Pie.
 

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I have to check myself in every 3 months for inpatient treatment, the purpose of which is to dispel the notion that it's some sort of unpatriotic sin to utilize informed intellectual thought.

I'm joking. Kinda.
 

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Much as I understand your beefs with Obama, and parts me of agree with you, other parts understand that he sees himself as President of the entire US, not just the blue parts. His pragmatism and even approach mock and belie any assertion that he's "cramming" anything anywhere. We may be a nation of idiots, but even we aren't that stupid*.

*There's a hardcore opposition of anything from 20-35% who really are either insane or stupid, but they're as American as Mom and Apple Pie.

Bucko -

Obama's subtle and even approach may be apparent to the astute and educated like you and me, but I'm not so sure it's that clear to the general voting public, and it sure as hell doesn't impress the Republicans in Congress. At the end of the day they're the ones that matter. Being cool and measured doesn't necessarily prevent one from taking a strong stand either, as he demonstrated in his impressive rebuttals to the Republican caucus in the final days of the healthcare debate. My point is that his attempts at "post-partisanship", noble as they may be, have been seen as a weakness and exploited by the opposition to their own political advantage and allowed them to gut or completely stonewall important legislation. To put it bluntly, those noble attempts have failed. Understand that I wholeheartedly support his stated agenda, but after a year and half - and coming up to critical mid term elections - I am supremely frustrated with the president's:

A) failure to come to grips with Washington politics, to confront head-on the intransigent Republicans who misrepresent and lie about his initiatives and are determined to prevent any legislative successes by whatever dishonest underhanded means necessary, even on issues they (used to) support, in a cynical ploy to paint him as a failure and regain power, and

B) failure to effectively make use of the 'bully pulpit' and charge others in his party and his adminstration to get his message out - to challenge those lies and misrepresentations, to dispel the dominant dishonest and destructive Republican (Faux News/Corporatist/Teabagger) narrative, to expose the real motives and real players behind the opposition (e.g. the fellas that are the topic of this thread), to show the public he's working for them and not for big business, and to thereby build public support for his policies.

It's those failures of approach that have stymied his very important, I would say vital, legislative agenda; including his most recent intiative - to offer tax incentives to small businesses and to help smaller community banks compete with mega financial service institutions. The aim is to generate loans and grow small businesses in local communities, thereby creating jobs, thereby reducing unemployment. Naturally this is opposed by the major corporate bankers (who are holding tight to their assets) and opposed by their political minions in Washington and elsewhere. It's an initiative he should have pushed along with financial overhaul more than a year ago imho, when he had the public's attention and overwhelming support - before tackling and expending all his political capital on the very emotional, very complicated, very divisive issue of healthcare overhaul. Just maybe we would see the results by now, unemployment would be down, the economy would be in better shape, and he and his party would have stronger support going into the mid terms. Justified or not, the election will ultimately turn on the economy and unemployment, and the opposition is doing everything in its power to ensure we stay in the ditch while blaming it on Obama and the Democrats. To revive a phrase from an earlier time, "It's the economy, stupid".

It's not about what I want, or even what the "blue parts" want, it's what everybody wants first of all - Jobs, Jobs, Jobs - the lynchpin in financial recovery - and what I truly believe is best (is needed) for the country overall if we are to get out of our present morass and move forward. I fully expected him to propose a bold "New Deal" style initiative early in his administration, just as he proposed in his campaign, built on restoring infrastructure, developing an alternative energy industry, and putting people to work - a win, win, win, win, win for people, for the economy, for the environment, for energy independence, for our future prosperity. Instead what I've seen is a piecemeal approach to attacking huge problems, and I have to say honestly, if reluctantly, I'm frustrated and I'm disappointed.

It's not a question of policy, it's a question of strategy and communicating his message. I truly believe if he were able to dispel the disinformation, and if he were more effective at getting his message out, the vast majority of Americans, red or blue, would agree with and support (would have supported) him on issues like the ones I mentioned, particularly healthcare and financial overhaul. If he had unqualified successes under his belt on those major issues in the minds of the public, and more tangible results in the financial recovery, he would have proven himself at this point. Going forward, his initiatives would have a much greater chance of success. As it is, the future for him, for Congress, for the nation, is very much in doubt.

I'm sorry if speaking plainly on this is seen by some as out of step with the party line. I've cut him a lot of well-deserved slack in the past and said on many occasions "he had a huge pile of shit left on his desk to clean off, give him some time". But there's a big electorate out there besides me who need to be convinced otherwise. We are in serious trouble here - the forces that would drag us down are powerful, determined and gaining more support every day. The time for coddling the president, making excuses and saying "he's doing the best he can under the circumstances" is over. Again, let me remind you I want him to succeed as much as anyone, but with the mid terms on the horizon we've reached a tipping point. That's why I say he really needs to speak out now, step up and show us what he's made of. He needs to be strong, he needs to set a clear course, and he needs to lead. I know he's got it in him, I've seen it before, and I want to see it again. I need to see it again. We need to see it again. Now.

I only hope my buddy Rahm Emanuel is reading this.
 
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I have to check myself in every 3 months for inpatient treatment, the purpose of which is to dispel the notion that it's some sort of unpatriotic sin to utilize informed intellectual thought.

I'm joking. Kinda.
I think I could use some of that treatment.

Can I check in too? Is there a pill we can take?
 

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The Democrats should print bumper stickers that say:

Pro Wall Street? Vote Republican
Pro MAIN Street? Vote Democratic!!

How nice that when you have money, you can re-write YOUR OWN history and actually make the average American Snook think that you're REALLY REALLY REALLY in HIS corner, when everything your party has done has sent the message that they really don't give a tinkers damn about not only the "average" American -- but have intentionally (and consistently) "preyed" upon the lowest and most vulnerable strata of Americans!
 

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I have heard of this claim before (that the TEA-Party were funded by ultra-rich interests), and it does not surprise me one bit. Of course I think it\'s repulsive to use a lot of people as \"useful idiots\" to advance an agenda that will be used against the greater good, and against many tea-party members ironically.