The Black and White Race

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I actually messed up a few times too, but my mistakes were in all categories. If you mess up in just one category, that's where your "score" will come from. But if you're consistant in your screwups, then you would show "no preference".

To get a better score of yourself, people probably should take it a few times. Then that would discount any small screwups that one might think is screwing up what they think their score should be.
 

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Originally posted by madame_zora@Oct 10 2005, 01:31 PM
Dilznick, YOU missed the point. Both Prepstud and I missed questions in the same category, it had nothing to do with the data at all, it could have been four colours, emotions, car types- literally anything. I would have made mistakes in the same place regardless of the data.

Personally, I dislike speed tests because I am the type who likes to read carefully and consider the question, which you can't do in a test like that. I have scored as much as 50 points lower on iq tests that were speed tests (bringing me below average) than on more traditional non-time related tests. Obviously, my intelligence doesn't change from one day to the next that dramatically, it is just that different people react better to different tools. Some people excel at speed tests- I am not one of them.
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Well I hated the one segment that had you have to associate bad things on the same key as black people. That was pretty hard and that is what threw me off a couple of times. I didn't go quickly on the test so I could think about which key was the correct answer. We all know that I obviously don't have a preference one way or the other--I'm the only white staff member of a predominantly black church. If anyone doesn't see race as an issue, I think it's probably me. At church, I'm just one of the family--not the "white" organist or anything like that.
Some people are still convinced that I'm bi-racial. It comes from having olive skin and dark hair--I can pass as being "high yellow" lol.
 

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I stand behind what I sad originally. If the ORDER of the test were reversed to first get it to associate the black faces with the positive words, the results would be the opposite. Since that's NOT one of the options you get, you can't see what I mean. The test itself forces you to make the first association then switch it instantly, I don't see how that could accurately asses one's true inner feelings if their associations are not of the first variety to begin with.
 

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Originally posted by madame_zora+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(madame_zora)</div><div class='quotemain'>I stand behind what I sad originally. If the ORDER of the test were reversed to first get it to associate the black faces with the positive words, the results would be the opposite.[/b]

Again, how would you know?

Since that&#39;s NOT one of the options you get, you can&#39;t see what I mean. The test itself forces you to make the first association then switch it instantly, I don&#39;t see how that could accurately asses one&#39;s true inner feelings if their associations are not of the first variety to begin with.
Did you not read my post? It IS an option.



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You could always register as a black and respond to the same questions with the categories in reverse order (you start of with African American or Good instead of European American or Good).
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I think the thing that messed me up the most is when there were a few "good" words in a row between pictures and I got lost in a trance of just hitting "e" after ever picture. Then I slowed down in order not to make any mistakes. If test measures the difference between how quick you can put the things in order when the good is grouped with white, than the good grouped with black, then my slowing down in that stage could have affected that. I am slightly prejudiced toward blacks, but it could have been amplified by the mistakes. I think my prejudice could be the result of economic issues, and I believe that if white people were the ones who lived in the ghetto and were constantly shown on the news guilty of a crime, then I&#39;d have a prejudice against them.
 

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Originally posted by prepstudinsc


Well I hated the one segment that had you have to associate bad things on the same key as black people. That was pretty hard and that is what threw me off a couple of times.
Where&#39;s the logic in that? If that were true the results would be the opposite. The segment where you had to associate good things on the same key as black people is where you fucked up.



I didn&#39;t go quickly on the test so I could think about which key was the correct answer.
You don&#39;t have to. Once again, it&#39;s not about speed; it&#39;s about the speed difference between the different pairings.


We all know that I obviously don&#39;t have a preference one way or the other--I&#39;m the only white staff member of a predominantly black church. If anyone doesn&#39;t see race as an issue, I think it&#39;s probably me. At church, I&#39;m just one of the family--not the "white" organist or anything like that.
Some people are still convinced that I&#39;m bi-racial. It comes from having olive skin and dark hair--I can pass as being "high yellow" lol.
The test measures implicit associations regarding race.



@ Madame Zora:

In general, who do you prefer? --------&#62;I have no preference
Warm or Cold --------&#62; 5 (neutral) / 5 (neutral)
Agree or Disagee --------&#62; Neutral / Neutral / Neutral / Neutral
Race/Ethnicity --------&#62; [/i]Black – not of Hispanic origin[/i]
http://www.understandingprejudice.org/iat/racframe.htm

Works for me.
 

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Monty,

Don&#39;t sweat it . Knowing what is going on with your hands right now, I am surprised you didnt come out as a raging racist&#33; Oh by the way, to be authentic it is "High Yalla" LOL&#33;

Naughty K.
 

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Originally posted by prepstudinsc@Oct 11 2005, 06:29 AM
I still stand by my theory that nothing implicit is implied by hand/eye coordination.
The test sucks.
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Right. The exercise (I won&#39;t call it a test) also targets and handicaps "Processing Speed"--the rate at which your brain digests and transmits information. Any conscientious person is going to think longer and harder about certain aspects of the exercise (regardless of his or her ethnicity). There are far better, stronger and more reliable ways to get at these types of data and dispositions. Qualitative reseachers have been doing so for centuries.
 

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FAQ


# I had to group White items (faces or names) together with pleasant words first. I then found it difficult when I later had to group Black items with pleasant words. Was that because I had done the task first with White items and pleasant words?

Answer: The order in which tests are administered does make a difference in magnitude of what we call &#39;IAT effects&#39;. However, the difference is small and recent changes to the test have sharply reduced the influence of order. Because of this order effect, the orders used for IATs presented on this website are assigned at random. If you want to check whether the order made a difference for you, you can take the test again and complete it if you get assigned to the reverse order. If you do take the test twice in different orders and get different outcomes, the best estimate of your result is intermediate between the two.


# Might a result indicating preference for White over Black be due to greater familiarity of the White items (faces or names) than the Black items?

Answer: The reasonable suspicion that familiarity can influence findings has been tested in research. In several laboratory studies, when familiarity of names was deliberately varied for the Black-White or Young-Old tasks, the effects are the same as when the White (or Young) names are more familiar. This makes it clear that automatic preferences are not caused by greater familiarity. All the faces (Black and White) used in this IAT should be equally unfamiliar because they are all computer-constructed by the technique called morphing -- none is the face of a real person. For more information see Ottaway et al., Dasgupta et al., and Rudman et al.


# Do Black participants show a preference for Black over White?

Answer: The research evidence is not sufficiently developed to answer this question. Although the majority of White respondents show a preference for White over Black, the responses from Black respondents are more varied. Although some Black participants show liking for White over Black, others show no preference, and yet others show a preference for Black over White. We are investigating this research question further. The IAT procedure that uses faces rather than names (our previous format) will allow us to answer this question more effectively.


# If my IAT shows automatic White preference, does that mean that I&#39;m prejudiced?

Answer: This is a very important question. Social psychologists use the word &#39;prejudiced&#39; to describe people who endorse or approve of negative attitudes and discriminatory behaviour toward various out-groups. Many people who show automatic White preference on the Black-White IAT are not prejudiced by this definition. These people are apparently able to function in non-prejudiced fashion partly by making active efforts to prevent their automatic White preference from producing discriminatory behaviour. However, when they relax these active efforts, these non-prejudiced people may be likely to show discrimination in thought or behaviour. The question of relation between implicit and explicit attitudes is of strong interest to social psychologists, several of whom are doing research on that question for race-related attitudes.

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/racefaqs.html
 

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Originally posted by Dr. Dilznick+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr. Dilznick)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Since that&#39;s NOT one of the options you get, you can&#39;t see what I mean. The test itself forces you to make the first association then switch it instantly, I don&#39;t see how that could accurately asses one&#39;s true inner feelings if their associations are not of the first variety to begin with.
Did you not read my post? It IS an option.



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You could always register as a black and respond to the same questions with the categories in reverse order (you start of with African American or Good instead of European American or Good).
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"Because of this order effect, the orders used for IATs presented on this website are assigned at random. If you want to check whether the order made a difference for you, you can take the test again and complete it if you get assigned to the reverse order."

Sorry for the confusion. :+
 

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Originally posted by Dr. Dilznick@Oct 11 2005, 08:58 AM
HEY EVERYBODY......PREP IS A REDBONE&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Haha, just fucking with you. The test requires more than mere hand-eye coordination though.


I look like a redbone when I go out in the sun the first few times. I&#39;m actually darker complectioned than some of the people at my church. There is a lady in my choir who is very fair--she looks like she&#39;s Spanish with very light olive skin and wavy hair. Everyone in her family is very light. At church, I&#39;m always told that I&#39;m "light skinded" lol. (that&#39;s the way the country people say &#39;skinned&#39;)
 

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I don&#39;t care if the test was from "Haarvaard" or from God himself, it was still a coordination test, plain and simple. No, I won&#39;t be retaking it trillions of times to tell myself what I already know. Piss off, Dilznick.
 

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Originally posted by madame_zora
I don&#39;t care if the test was from "Haarvaard" or from God himself, it was still a coordination test, plain and simple. No, I won&#39;t be retaking it trillions of times to tell myself what I already know. Piss off, Dilznick.
I&#39;m obviously intellectually outgunned here. :eyes:

Jana baby... dont let my acerbic words fool you. I&#39;m quite the loving soul. Perhaps a chat over Tandoori Chicken and imported beer in little five points will win you over.
 

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Originally posted by Dr. Dilznick+Oct 11 2005, 07:11 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr. Dilznick &#064; Oct 11 2005, 07:11 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-madame_zora
I don&#39;t care if the test was from "Haarvaard" or from God himself, it was still a coordination test, plain and simple. No, I won&#39;t be retaking it trillions of times to tell myself what I already know. Piss off, Dilznick.
I&#39;m obviously intellectually outgunned here. :eyes:

Jana baby... dont let my acerbic words fool you. I&#39;m quite the loving soul. Perhaps a chat over Tandoori Chicken and imported beer in little five points will win you over.
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Dilznick, I know you just like to goad me on here, there are a couple people who do it and I really don&#39;t mind. Usually if someone bothers to talk to you at all, they really don&#39;t hate you.

Tandoori chicken is cool, but if you really want to get on my good side, throw in some saag paneer and garlic naan- scrumptious&#33; I&#39;ve been on the wagon for over twelve years so you&#39;ll have to drink the beer, but I make a good designated driver.
 

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Originally posted by madame_zora@Oct 10 2005, 10:49 PM
I stand behind what I sad originally. If the ORDER of the test were reversed to first get it to associate the black faces with the positive words, the results would be the opposite.
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When I took the test, that was how it was ordered. The second half of the test asscociated the negative words with black people for me.

maybe it varies...

edit: nevermind. I just caught up on the rest of the reading and saw that DD already covered that.