The Border problem

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  1. Mensch1351

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    I should have looked up any previous threads however, been watching Lawrence O'Donnell tonite and I am of the humble opinion that we in America are always more obsessed with the "symptoms" of our problems rather than the root cause. Could someone please enlighten me just what is going on down in Mexico that their citizens keep streaming across our border. Isn't the REAL solution to do "something" with the Mexican government to insure that the standard of living for their people gets raised so that they can live happily in their own country??
     
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    Wouldn't that mean giving them lots of money?

    Theres quite a debate in the US over taxing the rich or the poor. I would presume that immigrant labour pushes down wages at the bottom end, making the poor poorer and the rich richer. Might this explain why no solution has been found? I think this is a US issue not a mexican one.
     
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    Whats the problem, the rural forgotten areas, what could us goverment do that would actually reduce the flow, more investment in manufacturing, insted of sending manufacturing lines all the way to china, mexico would be a good choice, is close, and the manpower is as skilled as china, that would work, and the own mxican goverment has the fault as well, they dont do many things they could, thats another truth, not because there is not enough money, nope, thats not the problem, the issue is that most mexican politicians are too afraid of doing the things the country needs, cause they are afraid of sucess, plain asn simple
     
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    why settle for less when you can come to the US and get so much free stuff?
     
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    Come to the UK like everyone else and get it all free and a house thrown in.
     
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    not from mexico!
     
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    No, not from Mexico dande.
     
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    One word. Jobs. At least the ones we won't do.
    Everyone likes to make this huge stink about immigrants coming over and "leeching" off our system like it's the reason why our economy has crashed. It's a problem that we need to fix, but so vehemently overhyped by greedy & paranoid people who overestimate what their tax dollars really do in this country. The major reason why they continually cross our borders illegally is because they can make more money in our country doing a job at or below minimum wage than they can back in their own country. The government assistance is just the extra icing on the cake.

    That would be the ultimate solution. But many powerful & greedy people in this country would rather be dealing with China and the Middle East for their cheap labor and natural resource acquisitions. :rolleyes:
     
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    Lemon (my drop):

    The USA gives zagabillions away in cash as foreign aid to countries in Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe . . . a whole bunch of places. And the US does give some foreign aid to Mexico to bolster it's "war on drugs." But for some reason the USA looks upon Mexico as small potatoes compared to the non-threats of far away countries. This is a giant mistake. Long ago the USA had the opportunity to treat Mexico as it's best friend and help it root out as much government corruption as possible. Instead, they only supported the PRI for 50+ years, helping permanently embed political corruption. Now anything the US might try to do is too little and much too late.

    Mexico is still a very stable and good neighbor, however, US foreign policy never recognizes it. Supposedly NAFTA (the trade agreement, not the fuel) was going to make everything fuzzy and nice. It hasn't. It has led to more corruption and death to Mexicans and a fair number of US citizens. Still, Mexico endures.

    Mexico is in deep trouble with regard to major poverty and crime. Mexicans are having a very difficult time of it and it will get much worse before it even shows remote signs of improving. If and when you ever get the chance, talk to a Mexican American (who is a citizen) or a Mexican National and ask them about the term "ceta." It's colloquial and used mostly by those living close to either side of the US/Mexico border.

    Finally, there are more than four centuries of the USA discriminating against Mexico and Mexicans. Just ask any Latino whose great great great grandparents were thrown off of their estancias (Mexican land grants) by the slew or protestants who showed up and assumed control of their ranches. Better yet, start by reading Death Comes to the Archbishop by Willa Cather to get sympathetic European understanding of what was once an amazing, self-supporting part of the south western American continent and compare it to how it has been successfully destroyed by "white" interests over the last 200 years. Although her book is considered somewhat racists by today's standards (and it is), she still captured the essence of the multiple dimensions of native and Mexican cultures subjugated by northern European values.
     
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    NAFTA did worked great, but its not fault of USA the lack of will of politicians to make better conditions so the migration slows down, and actually in the past two months the army and mexican marines captured key members of big cartels, it wont stop others, but its kind of working, one big cartel, its on the brick of collapse thanks to a constant struggle, getting angry for things that happened 200 years ago is dumb, and wont lead u nowwhere, right now its on the hands only of the mexican politicians to give the next step, now there is money, there is knowledge, there is great workforce (probably the best on the planet), thats it
     
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